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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 10:06:23 GMT -5
Thought this would be interesting. His breakdown of year by year is also interesting. Odd how it doesnt account for hus idea of match quality...then Flair, Steamboat, Michaels, and eatly 90's Japanese guys woukd dominate.
Taken from this forum here if you want to read the whole thing:
1900 - 1909:
Frank Gotch
George Hackenschmidt
1910 - 1919:
Joe Stecher
Ed "Strangler" Lewis
Frank Gotch
Wladek Zbyszko
Stanislaus Zbyszko
Jim Londos
Great Gama, George Hackenschmidt, George Lurich, Charlie Cutler
1920 -1929:
Ed "Strangler" Lewis
Jim Londos
John Pesek
Joe Stecher and Stanislaus Zbyszko
Earl Caddock
Gus Sonnenberg
Ray Steele
Dick Shikat
Wayne Munn
1930 - 1939:
Jim Londos
Everett Marshall
Dick Shikat and Ed Don George
Ed "Strangler" Lewis and Vincent Lopez
Gus Sonnenberg
Man Mountain Dean
Danno O'Mahoney
Ray Steele
1940 - 1949:
Bill Longson
Lou Thesz
Whipper Billy Watson
Yvon Robert
Gorgeous George
Sandor Szabo and Wlasislow Talum
Buddy Rogers
Maurice "French Angel" Tillet
Frank Sexton
1950 - 1959:
Argentina Rocca
Lou Thesz
Killer Kowalski
Buddy Rogers
Whipper Billy Watson
Rikidozan
El Santo
Verne Gagne and Edouard Carpentier
Wilbur Snyder
1960 - 1969:
Bruno Sammartino
Gene Kiniski
Dick the Bruiser
Johnny Valentine
Lou Thesz
Buddy Rogers
Giant Baba
Ray Stevens
Bobo Brazil
Fritz Von Erich
1970 - 1979:
Bruno Sammartino
The Sheik
Superstar Billy Graham
Andre the Giant
Pedro Morales
Harley Race
The Crusher
Dory Funk Jr. and Ernie Ladd
Dick the Bruiser
1980 - 1989:
Hulk Hogan
Ric Flair
Andre the Giant
Bob Backlund
Randy Savage
Road Warriors
Antonio Inoki
Roddy Piper
Harley Race, Sgt. Slaughter, Paul Orndorff
1990 - 1999:
Konnan
Shinya Hashimoto
Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair
Perro Aguayo
Keiji Muto
Undertaker
Bret Hart
Steve Austin
Nobuhiko Takada
2000 - 2009:
HHH
Mistico
John Cena
The Rock
Perro Aguayo Jr.
Kurt Angle
Ultimo Guerrero
Randy Orton
Kenta Kobashi and Chris Benoit
MAJOR NOTE: If you didn't read the entire article, he's basing the lists off of wrestlers that drew 10,000+ people over a decade. The reason it gets a little weird at the end is the actual top drawers (Steve Austin and The Rock) only had ~5 year runs that intersected two decades (90's and 00's). While Austin unarguably has drawn the most of any wrestler ever, Konnan/Triple H just worked more shows/more consistently in their respective decades.
I just left Toronto...still shocked about the legacy Whipper Watson left. By far the most influential Canadian wrestler. Sold out the town for decades.mAlmost every week, at Maple Leaf Gardens. Unreal.
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Post by gravedigger3 on Jul 23, 2015 10:24:54 GMT -5
Surprised Undertaker isn't listed in 00-09
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jul 23, 2015 11:23:08 GMT -5
Didn't know Konnan was such a huge attraction.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 23, 2015 13:04:34 GMT -5
Didn't know Konnan was such a huge attraction. He is the Hulk Hogan of Mexico. Back in the 90s, Konnan was on TV soap operas in Mexico I believe, and other shows down there, he was a celebrity and then some for the Mexican people. So when he came to WCW in the mid 90s, the Mexican people were hoping to see Hogan vs. Konnan. Instead, they had Konnan end up joining Hogan in the NWO, which probably was a big deal down in Mexico to see Konnan at least put together with The Hulkster. |
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jul 23, 2015 14:35:55 GMT -5
Didn't know Konnan was such a huge attraction. He is the Hulk Hogan of Mexico. Back in the 90s, Konnan was on TV soap operas in Mexico I believe, and other shows down there, he was a celebrity and then some for the Mexican people. So when he came to WCW in the mid 90s, the Mexican people were hoping to see Hogan vs. Konnan. Instead, they had Konnan end up joining Hogan in the NWO, which probably was a big deal down in Mexico to see Konnan at least put together with The Hulkster. Interesting. I knew he was popular, but didn't know he was like the Hogan of Mexico. You wouldn't know from just watching WCW. ha |
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Post by theafricandream on Jul 23, 2015 17:55:56 GMT -5
Didn't know Konnan was such a huge attraction. I can't stand Konnan. He's was always so sloppy and unwilling to sell. My personal pick for most overrated wrestler of all time. |
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Post by Himmy! on Jul 25, 2015 4:49:22 GMT -5
Very interesting list there. Thanks tor posting. Some surprises for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 9:52:46 GMT -5
Very interesting list, thanks for sharing.
Cool to see Hashimoto and Takada on there.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Jul 25, 2015 15:05:41 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio Jr. doesn't make the list?
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 25, 2015 21:23:14 GMT -5
No mention of Ultimate Warrior? This thread isnt gonna end well! LOL!
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Post by jakksking1 on Jul 25, 2015 22:20:15 GMT -5
Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter has give an award yearly to the "Best Box Office Draw". Below are the winners from 2000 forward. As you will see, his criteria for what to include in wrestling awards is suspect, as is determining who the biggest draw is.
2000: The Rock
2001: Kazushi Sakuraba
2002: Bob Sapp
2003: Bob Sapp
2004: KENTA
2005: KENTA
2006: Mistico
2007: John Cena
2008: Brock Lesnar
2009: Brock Lesnar
2010: Brock Lesnar
2011: The Rock
2012: The Rock
2013: Georges- St Pierre
2014 Ronda Rousey
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 22:53:00 GMT -5
Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter has give an award yearly to the "Best Box Office Draw". Below are the winners from 2000 forward. As you will see, his criteria for what to include in wrestling awards is suspect, as is determining who the biggest draw is. 2000: The Rock 2001: Kazushi Sakuraba 2002: Bob Sapp 2003: Bob Sapp 2004: KENTA 2005: KENTA 2006: Mistico 2007: John Cena 2008: Brock Lesnar 2009: Brock Lesnar 2010: Brock Lesnar 2011: The Rock 2012: The Rock 2013: Georges- St Pierre 2014 Ronda Rousey As you will see? When are you going to enlighten us on the criteria that you find so suspect? Here is an idea of his criteria for Top Draw...which isnt so "suspect". In looking at the biggest drawing cards in pro wrestling history, we decided to look at things on a decade-by-decade level. In the past we've done this looking at total shows drawing more than 10,000 on top during a decade (or added points for each multiple of 10,000). And while every system has flaws, this one can reward someone who may have had one great feud, or was a huge draw but not over a long period of time, over someone who was more consistently drawing. In addition, a lot changes in society over a ten year period and that affects wrestling. There are ups and downs, based on economy, technology and other factors. By awarding ten points for the leading draw during a year, nine for second, etc., it rewards consistency at the top level. It takes out mitigating factors in the sense whoever was the big draw of a year where things weren't as good due to economic patterns, or over the last 60 years, based on how television has changed things, will somewhat be evened out. The big flaw in this system is it rewards people whose prime years fit better within the framework of a decade. For example, if you were a big star from 1970 to 1979, you'll do well in that decade. But if you were a big star who hit your stride in 1976, through 1983, you'll not fare as well in either decade. But this system isn't looking at negating people who don't perfectly fit in as much as noting where people stood who did. We've already compiled all-time lists for wrestling history. When it comes to consistently drawing over a long period of time, the all-time top ten are Jim Londos, Bruno Sammartino, Lou Thesz, Wild Bill Longson, Hulk Hogan, Ed Strangler Lewis, Argentina Rocca, Ric Flair, Buddy Rogers and Joe Stecher. While Steve Austin at his peak was the biggest drawing card in pro wrestling history, his number of years at that peak were far shorter than those ranked above him. His match criteria, which isnt part of this conversation, only seems to be questioned by guys who dont get rated high, or fans of those guys...ie, Bret Hart fans. |
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Post by jakksking1 on Jul 26, 2015 8:18:39 GMT -5
Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter has give an award yearly to the "Best Box Office Draw". Below are the winners from 2000 forward. As you will see, his criteria for what to include in wrestling awards is suspect, as is determining who the biggest draw is. 2000: The Rock 2001: Kazushi Sakuraba 2002: Bob Sapp 2003: Bob Sapp 2004: KENTA 2005: KENTA 2006: Mistico 2007: John Cena 2008: Brock Lesnar 2009: Brock Lesnar 2010: Brock Lesnar 2011: The Rock 2012: The Rock 2013: Georges- St Pierre 2014 Ronda Rousey As you will see? When are you going to enlighten us on the criteria that you find so suspect? Here is an idea of his criteria for Top Draw...which isnt so "suspect". In looking at the biggest drawing cards in pro wrestling history, we decided to look at things on a decade-by-decade level. In the past we've done this looking at total shows drawing more than 10,000 on top during a decade (or added points for each multiple of 10,000). And while every system has flaws, this one can reward someone who may have had one great feud, or was a huge draw but not over a long period of time, over someone who was more consistently drawing. In addition, a lot changes in society over a ten year period and that affects wrestling. There are ups and downs, based on economy, technology and other factors. By awarding ten points for the leading draw during a year, nine for second, etc., it rewards consistency at the top level. It takes out mitigating factors in the sense whoever was the big draw of a year where things weren't as good due to economic patterns, or over the last 60 years, based on how television has changed things, will somewhat be evened out. The big flaw in this system is it rewards people whose prime years fit better within the framework of a decade. For example, if you were a big star from 1970 to 1979, you'll do well in that decade. But if you were a big star who hit your stride in 1976, through 1983, you'll not fare as well in either decade. But this system isn't looking at negating people who don't perfectly fit in as much as noting where people stood who did. We've already compiled all-time lists for wrestling history. When it comes to consistently drawing over a long period of time, the all-time top ten are Jim Londos, Bruno Sammartino, Lou Thesz, Wild Bill Longson, Hulk Hogan, Ed Strangler Lewis, Argentina Rocca, Ric Flair, Buddy Rogers and Joe Stecher. While Steve Austin at his peak was the biggest drawing card in pro wrestling history, his number of years at that peak were far shorter than those ranked above him. His match criteria, which isnt part of this conversation, only seems to be questioned by guys who dont get rated high, or fans of those guys...ie, Bret Hart fans. The suspect criteria is a wrestling magazine randomly lumping in UFC fighters and other MMA persons in pro wrestling awards. That is what's suspect. |
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Post by threehgame on Jul 26, 2015 10:27:30 GMT -5
The early Japanese MMA organizations came from pro wrestling organizations. Considering American pro wrestling declined as it did in the early to mid 1990's the magazines needed something to turn to to fill their pages. MMA and pro-wrestling will always be linked even if fans from both sides seem to hate it. I don't see anything wrong with that list as they did draw during the last 15 years. If we re-did it for only wrestlers it would look something like this I suppose:
2000: The Rock
2001: The Rock
2002: Brock Lesnar
2003: Brock Lesnar
2004: KENTA
2005: KENTA
2006: Mistico
2007: John Cena
2008: John Cena
2009: John Cena
2010: John Cena
2011: The Rock
2012: The Rock
2013: Brock Lesnar
2014: Brock Lesnar
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jul 26, 2015 11:05:10 GMT -5
Didn't know Konnan was such a huge attraction. Well, he is a snake after all. |
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