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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Aug 25, 2015 11:06:56 GMT -5
I don't know whose makeup looked worst last night, Charlotte's or Sting's? At least Charlottes stayed on.
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Post by figurecollector on Aug 25, 2015 11:13:00 GMT -5
I think she may have sustained an injury during the match. At one point, it looked like her heel came down hard either on the ring post or the edge of the ring and she let out a yell.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 25, 2015 11:15:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't doubt it for a second. I know there are examples to the contrary, but lately it seems like every pedigreed piece of talent they get their hands on is written to forever live in the shadow of their parents, rather than be allowed to go out and stand on their own two feet. Even when it's something as subtle as a nod in their entrance theme, something like this is always going to force the comparison, and when that exists, there's often times just no getting out from under it. In WWE Universe, it's either a full on homage (Ted Dibiase, Jr. "Priceless", Curtis Axel "Better than Perfect", Charlotte) or a complete rejection (Stardust, Goldust, Cody Rhodes) or a non-reference (Husky Harris/Bray Wyatt, Bo Dallas). I have yet to see the first succeed on any level until they left the gimmick (Dibiase Posse, Axelmania). I feel like Orton is a healthy balance. They played up his heritage and brought Cowboy Bob into the picture a bit, but I've always felt like Orton never fell under any sort of shadow cast by being the son of another pro-wrestler. I'm nowhere near as versed in the current roster as I'd like to be - do/did they do this same sort of play up with Tamina at all?
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Post by havoc7179 on Aug 25, 2015 13:06:43 GMT -5
In WWE Universe, it's either a full on homage (Ted Dibiase, Jr. "Priceless", Curtis Axel "Better than Perfect", Charlotte) or a complete rejection (Stardust, Goldust, Cody Rhodes) or a non-reference (Husky Harris/Bray Wyatt, Bo Dallas). I have yet to see the first succeed on any level until they left the gimmick (Dibiase Posse, Axelmania). I feel like Orton is a healthy balance. They played up his heritage and brought Cowboy Bob into the picture a bit, but I've always felt like Orton never fell under any sort of shadow cast by being the son of another pro-wrestler. I'm nowhere near as versed in the current roster as I'd like to be - do/did they do this same sort of play up with Tamina at all? Aside from the splash? Not really. At least I don't recall.
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Post by havoc7179 on Aug 25, 2015 13:10:38 GMT -5
That's probably not a good example to make your point since Miss Jackie never got any better. If Eva follows that path, she is in trouble. To be fair Jackie gayda barley wrestled she was mostly a valet who wrestled occasionally which is something Eva Marie should be doing.Jackie was part of an era where Women like her was allowed because she was the type of diva to be used in bra and panties matches,Bikini Contest and all that other T&A stuff While the more talented women competed for the womens title.But with all that T&A stuff gone they have no choice but to get better in the ring. To be fair to the Divas revolution, I would argue the same thing. Trish was getting better at the time as a wrestler. She was probably one of hte more experienced and capable of putting on great matches. But, just like I've been saying in my defense of those wrestlers coming from Indy and NXT to WWE, unless your opponent is capable of matching you, it'll be hard for one person to carry someone to a good match. Trish couldn't save Jackie from herself during that match. Maybe I'm bias, but I'm not a fan of the Bellas. I don't think they can wrestle. Same goes for Tamina and Fox. I think Naomi, Banks, Paige, Becky, and Charlotte can. But, if you put them in with wrestlers who don't know the difference between a wristlock and the three handled moss covered family credenza, it'll bring everyone down. So, unfortunately, until the NXT people start facing other NXT divas, the matches will be subpar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 13:51:03 GMT -5
To be fair Jackie gayda barley wrestled she was mostly a valet who wrestled occasionally which is something Eva Marie should be doing.Jackie was part of an era where Women like her was allowed because she was the type of diva to be used in bra and panties matches,Bikini Contest and all that other T&A stuff While the more talented women competed for the womens title.But with all that T&A stuff gone they have no choice but to get better in the ring. To be fair to the Divas revolution, I would argue the same thing. Trish was getting better at the time as a wrestler. She was probably one of hte more experienced and capable of putting on great matches. But, just like I've been saying in my defense of those wrestlers coming from Indy and NXT to WWE, unless your opponent is capable of matching you, it'll be hard for one person to carry someone to a good match. Trish couldn't save Jackie from herself during that match. Maybe I'm bias, but I'm not a fan of the Bellas. I don't think they can wrestle. Same goes for Tamina and Fox. I think Naomi, Banks, Paige, Becky, and Charlotte can. But, if you put them in with wrestlers who don't know the difference between a wristlock and the three handled moss covered family credenza, it'll bring everyone down. So, unfortunately, until the NXT people start facing other NXT divas, the matches will be subpar. Trish Stratus was indeed the total package she was able to go out and wrestle with the best and still do a bra and panties match,Bikini contest she was definitely the Diva to Do that.In my opinion thats the case of a classic bad booking of putting a rookie againts another diva who was just a rookie herself.Trish couldn't carry jackie but put victoria or molly in with Jackie and the match could've been different. As far as the bellas go I think there definitely great workers and good wrestlers they proved that to me last year at HITC and summerslam they can indeed work a match.And I bet if they were in NXT they would be put on a high pedestal with sasha,Bayley,Charlotte,etc.
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Post by The Dave on Aug 25, 2015 15:18:59 GMT -5
To be fair to the Divas revolution, I would argue the same thing. Trish was getting better at the time as a wrestler. She was probably one of hte more experienced and capable of putting on great matches. But, just like I've been saying in my defense of those wrestlers coming from Indy and NXT to WWE, unless your opponent is capable of matching you, it'll be hard for one person to carry someone to a good match. Trish couldn't save Jackie from herself during that match. Maybe I'm bias, but I'm not a fan of the Bellas. I don't think they can wrestle. Same goes for Tamina and Fox. I think Naomi, Banks, Paige, Becky, and Charlotte can. But, if you put them in with wrestlers who don't know the difference between a wristlock and the three handled moss covered family credenza, it'll bring everyone down. So, unfortunately, until the NXT people start facing other NXT divas, the matches will be subpar. Trish Stratus was indeed the total package she was able to go out and wrestle with the best and still do a bra and panties match,Bikini contest she was definitely the Diva to Do that.In my opinion thats the case of a classic bad booking of putting a rookie againts another diva who was just a rookie herself.Trish couldn't carry jackie but put victoria or molly in with Jackie and the match could've been different. As far as the bellas go I think there definitely great workers and good wrestlers they proved that to me last year at HITC and summerslam they can indeed work a match.And I bet if they were in NXT they would be put on a high pedestal with sasha,Bayley,Charlotte,etc. This guy gets it.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 25, 2015 16:01:50 GMT -5
To be fair to the Divas revolution, I would argue the same thing. Trish was getting better at the time as a wrestler. She was probably one of hte more experienced and capable of putting on great matches. But, just like I've been saying in my defense of those wrestlers coming from Indy and NXT to WWE, unless your opponent is capable of matching you, it'll be hard for one person to carry someone to a good match. Trish couldn't save Jackie from herself during that match. Maybe I'm bias, but I'm not a fan of the Bellas. I don't think they can wrestle. Same goes for Tamina and Fox. I think Naomi, Banks, Paige, Becky, and Charlotte can. But, if you put them in with wrestlers who don't know the difference between a wristlock and the three handled moss covered family credenza, it'll bring everyone down. So, unfortunately, until the NXT people start facing other NXT divas, the matches will be subpar. Trish Stratus was indeed the total package she was able to go out and wrestle with the best and still do a bra and panties match,Bikini contest she was definitely the Diva to Do that.In my opinion thats the case of a classic bad booking of putting a rookie againts another diva who was just a rookie herself.Trish couldn't carry jackie but put victoria or molly in with Jackie and the match could've been different. As far as the bellas go I think there definitely great workers and good wrestlers they proved that to me last year at HITC and summerslam they can indeed work a match.And I bet if they were in NXT they would be put on a high pedestal with sasha,Bayley,Charlotte,etc. While I think the Bellas are better than people give them credit for, they wouldn't just be put on a pedestal if they were on NXT. Girls like Bayley, Charlotte, Becky and Sasha are put on a pedestal because they earned by having some of the best women's matches in the world. Not just because they are simply in NXT. If the Bellas were in NXT, they'd be looked at more like Alexa Bliss or Carmella.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 16:08:50 GMT -5
Bayley, Sasha, Charlotte and Becky have turned women's wrestling from being a total "bathroom break" joke to MUST WATCH television.
The Bellas have never done that. Neither has any other diva before them with the exception of Trish and Lita for a very short time.
Period. End of story.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 25, 2015 16:49:18 GMT -5
Bayley, Sasha, Charlotte and Becky have turned women's wrestling from being a total "bathroom break" joke to MUST WATCH television. The Bellas have never done that. Neither has any other diva before them with the exception of Trish and Lita for a very short time. Period. End of story. Those four women you mentioned just make me feel emotionally invested in a match. Like when Bayley finally became the NXT Women's Champion, I cried at the end of Becky Lynch/Sasha Banks and TakeOver: Unstoppable. Sasha Banks is in a league of her own. Bayley is good at capturing emotion. Charlotte is carrying her father's legacy. Becky Lynch is a woman who has struggled to be where she is at. Deep Figure Value, Randy Orton is a very good example. They did play into the legacy his father and grandfather left behind. He doesn't emulate his father & grandfather at all. Charlotte emulating her father will end up hurting her in the long run. Another generation talent who didn't emulate his father & grandfather is The Rock. Like Randy Orton, The Rock became his own man with his own legacy. The same applies to both Dustin and Cody Rhodes. The Usos' too, became their own by carrying the Samoan legacy and adding their own flavor. A generation talent should never emulate their parents. Let thme create their own identity and legacy. Not being in the shadow of their parents. @drizzyboi, Trish Stratus was ahead of her time. She changed the notion of fitness models making it in professional wrestling. Trish was in fact, the complete package. If the current women would pick her brain for advice, oh my. These women would benefit big time. Maybe it is me but I can see a bit of Trish Stratus in Dana Brooke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 17:09:18 GMT -5
Trish Stratus was indeed the total package she was able to go out and wrestle with the best and still do a bra and panties match,Bikini contest she was definitely the Diva to Do that.In my opinion thats the case of a classic bad booking of putting a rookie againts another diva who was just a rookie herself.Trish couldn't carry jackie but put victoria or molly in with Jackie and the match could've been different. As far as the bellas go I think there definitely great workers and good wrestlers they proved that to me last year at HITC and summerslam they can indeed work a match.And I bet if they were in NXT they would be put on a high pedestal with sasha,Bayley,Charlotte,etc. While I think the Bellas are better than people give them credit for, they wouldn't just be put on a pedestal if they were on NXT. Girls like Bayley, Charlotte, Becky and Sasha are put on a pedestal because they earned by having some of the best women's matches in the world. Not just because they are simply in NXT. If the Bellas were in NXT, they'd be looked at more like Alexa Bliss or Carmella. I don't know about that maybe people could compare them to alexa and Carmella back in 2008/2011 bellas when they just started out.But the bellas in 2014/2015 I could easy compare them to sasha and the rest as a matter of fact I compare the bellas to Trish stratus 2003/2006. They clearly are working hard to improve and they did just that both definitely had there career highlight matches.They proved to me they can hang in there with the nxt girls.I even think naomi,Alicia fox are stepping there game up as well there fighting really hard to prove they belong in the ring.I think the problem is that were so used to the divas being such an afterthought that when they finally start making matches that are Making headlines people just aren't used to it. But If Nikki did face off againts sasha in a nxt event in 20 minutes the match would be good.
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Bayley, Sasha, Charlotte and Becky have turned women's wrestling from being a total "bathroom break" joke to MUST WATCH television. The Bellas have never done that. Neither has any other diva before them with the exception of Trish and Lita for a very short time. Period. End of story. Those four women you mentioned just make me feel emotionally invested in a match. Like when Bayley finally became the NXT Women's Champion, I cried at the end of Becky Lynch/Sasha Banks and TakeOver: Unstoppable. Sasha Banks is in a league of her own. Bayley is good at capturing emotion. Charlotte is carrying her father's legacy. Becky Lynch is a woman who has struggled to be where she is at. Deep Figure Value, Randy Orton is a very good example. They did play into the legacy his father and grandfather left behind. He doesn't emulate his father & grandfather at all. Charlotte emulating her father will end up hurting her in the long run. Another generation talent who didn't emulate his father & grandfather is The Rock. Like Randy Orton, The Rock became his own man with his own legacy. The same applies to both Dustin and Cody Rhodes. The Usos' too, became their own by carrying the Samoan legacy and adding their own flavor. A generation talent should never emulate their parents. Let thme create their own identity and legacy. Not being in the shadow of their parents. @drizzyboi, Trish Stratus was ahead of her time. She changed the notion of fitness models making it in professional wrestling. Trish was in fact, the complete package. If the current women would pick her brain for advice, oh my. These women would benefit big time. Maybe it is me but I can see a bit of Trish Stratus in Dana Brooke. Not taking anything away from trish because she was great.But trish was lucky enough to be with a speical group of women who helped her look so good in the ring.They even brought back the womens title and centred the divison around her remember back in 2005 when she got injured they got rid of the women's title and all of sudden she comes back and the womens division is back as well.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 25, 2015 17:22:38 GMT -5
While I think the Bellas are better than people give them credit for, they wouldn't just be put on a pedestal if they were on NXT. Girls like Bayley, Charlotte, Becky and Sasha are put on a pedestal because they earned by having some of the best women's matches in the world. Not just because they are simply in NXT. If the Bellas were in NXT, they'd be looked at more like Alexa Bliss or Carmella. I don't know about that maybe people could compare them to alexa and Carmella back in 2008/2011 bellas when they just started out.But the bellas in 2014/2015 I could easy compare them to sasha and the rest as a matter of fact I compare the bellas to Trish stratus 2003/2006. They clearly are working hard to improve and they did just that both definitely had there career highlight matches.They proved to me they can hang in there with the nxt girls.I even think naomi,Alicia fox are stepping there game up as well there fighting really hard to prove they belong in the ring.I think the problem is that were so used to the divas being such an afterthought that when they finally start making matches that are Making headlines people just aren't used to it. But If Nikki did face off againts sasha in a nxt event in 20 minutes the match would be good. Again, I'm not one of those people saying the Bellas suck but they are not in Sasha, Becky, Charlotte or Bayley's league. At all. Sasha/Nikki for 20 minutes might be good. Wasn't very good on Raw though.
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I don't know about that maybe people could compare them to alexa and Carmella back in 2008/2011 bellas when they just started out.But the bellas in 2014/2015 I could easy compare them to sasha and the rest as a matter of fact I compare the bellas to Trish stratus 2003/2006. They clearly are working hard to improve and they did just that both definitely had there career highlight matches.They proved to me they can hang in there with the nxt girls.I even think naomi,Alicia fox are stepping there game up as well there fighting really hard to prove they belong in the ring.I think the problem is that were so used to the divas being such an afterthought that when they finally start making matches that are Making headlines people just aren't used to it. But If Nikki did face off againts sasha in a nxt event in 20 minutes the match would be good. Again, I'm not one of those people saying the Bellas suck but they are not in Sasha, Becky, Charlotte or Bayley's league. At all. Sasha/Nikki for 20 minutes might be good. Wasn't very good on Raw though. I never said you said the bellas did suck I just Don't agree they would be compared to alexa and carmella.And Nikki vs sasha it wasn't all that good but it was decent they just need more time to learn each other's movesets.
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Post by bababooey on Aug 25, 2015 18:38:57 GMT -5
Maybe the fans will start taking Charlotte more serious when she stops going out and acting like Ric Flair the entire time. I hope for her sake she didn't carry on that way in NXT and that's why she got so popular on here. That Flair garbage has to go now that she's on the main roster or she'll never have any sort of character of her own. I can't help but feel like that was a direct order from Vince. In NXT she was Charlotte, one of the best Divas on the roster. In WWE she's Charlotte, Ric Flair's daughter. I can see Vince thinking she wouldn't get over unless it was blatantly clear she was Ric Flair's daughter.
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Post by T R W on Aug 25, 2015 19:05:09 GMT -5
Women be crying. Am I right?
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Triple H gon do right by the daughter of the 16 time WOOOOOO
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I never noticed her looking like she was going to cry. What I have noticed are her awesome muscles, especially her triceps.
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 25, 2015 20:50:45 GMT -5
Women be crying. Am I right?
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