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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 31, 2015 12:55:05 GMT -5
The WWE has a history of doing some outlandish things (The Enis Penis fiasco from Raw over that venue, banning all superstars from Piper's podcast because of Austin) up to and including this disproportionate retribution on Hogan. As a result, there are many people who wouldn't put anything past them, let alone letting Hogan potentially find out his punishment as the rest of us did. In that sense, WWE brought a lot of the criticism over this upon themselves.That said, much like Hogan himself I feel that WWE is a good company run by genuinely good, although flawed and often misguided people. I don't believe for a second that they didn't tell Hogan beforehand what to expect. With all of that in mind I do think they need to do right by Hogan. The punishment was so far beyond what he should've received to the point of being embarrassing. I mean, you would think Hogan was interviewed by CNN in front of a burning church with the Klan in tow in July of 2015. In that case, yes, erasing him would be appropriate. I think this mostly had to do with the Del Rio thing, which almost got really ugly fast. They didn't ban superstars from going on Piper's podcast. Austin didn't like the Sasso thing so Podcast One made the decision to have it taken down, then Piper quit because he did not want to be censored. Piper had also supposedly lost his Legends contract MONTHS prior to the incident, so if superstars weren't allowed on it was due to that. This info came from Dan Spivey responding to Haynes ludicrous accusations. What is so ridiculous that WWE did to Hogan? All they did was terminate his contract, pull his merch, and remove his bio/profile (not all mention of him) from their website. They didn't start slandering him like Warrior. They didn't have JBL make jabs at him on RAW like Trump. They didn't remove all mention of him on their website like Benoit. Tell me, what did they do that was wrong?
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Aug 31, 2015 13:15:12 GMT -5
The WWE has a history of doing some outlandish things (The Enis Penis fiasco from Raw over that venue, banning all superstars from Piper's podcast because of Austin) up to and including this disproportionate retribution on Hogan. As a result, there are many people who wouldn't put anything past them, let alone letting Hogan potentially find out his punishment as the rest of us did. In that sense, WWE brought a lot of the criticism over this upon themselves.That said, much like Hogan himself I feel that WWE is a good company run by genuinely good, although flawed and often misguided people. I don't believe for a second that they didn't tell Hogan beforehand what to expect. With all of that in mind I do think they need to do right by Hogan. The punishment was so far beyond what he should've received to the point of being embarrassing. I mean, you would think Hogan was interviewed by CNN in front of a burning church with the Klan in tow in July of 2015. In that case, yes, erasing him would be appropriate. I think this mostly had to do with the Del Rio thing, which almost got really ugly fast. They didn't ban superstars from going on Piper's podcast. Austin didn't like the Sasso thing so Podcast One made the decision to have it taken down, then Piper quit because he did not want to be censored. Piper had also supposedly lost his Legends contract MONTHS prior to the incident, so if superstars weren't allowed on it was due to that. This info came from Dan Spivey responding to Haynes ludicrous accusations. What is so ridiculous that WWE did to Hogan? All they did was terminate his contract, pull his merch, and remove his bio/profile (not all mention of him) from their website. They didn't start slandering him like Warrior. They didn't have JBL make jabs at him on RAW like Trump. They didn't remove all mention of him on their website like Benoit. Tell me, what did they do that was wrong? Was he in the Piper magazine? No? Exactly. Hogan/Piper and Rock n Wrestling fueled Wrestlemania 1. As for WCW, there was no need for him to even be there without Hogan, so eliminating him from the magazine was a clear attempt to try to erase his contribution to Piper's career.They didn't slander him because there would be no point, and that would acknowledge him, which they are trying not to do. Firing him over something he said almost ten years ago was also an overreaction. whatever you think of the man doesn't change the fact that they went overboard.
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Post by Flair Forever on Aug 31, 2015 13:20:35 GMT -5
They didn't ban superstars from going on Piper's podcast. Austin didn't like the Sasso thing so Podcast One made the decision to have it taken down, then Piper quit because he did not want to be censored. Piper had also supposedly lost his Legends contract MONTHS prior to the incident, so if superstars weren't allowed on it was due to that. This info came from Dan Spivey responding to Haynes ludicrous accusations. What is so ridiculous that WWE did to Hogan? All they did was terminate his contract, pull his merch, and remove his bio/profile (not all mention of him) from their website. They didn't start slandering him like Warrior. They didn't have JBL make jabs at him on RAW like Trump. They didn't remove all mention of him on their website like Benoit. Tell me, what did they do that was wrong? Was he in the Piper magazine? No? Exactly. Hogan/Piper and Rock n Wrestling fueled Wrestlemania 1. As for WCW, there was no need for him to even be there without Hogan, so eliminating him from the magazine was a clear attempt to try to erase his contribution to Piper's career.They didn't slander him because there would be no point, and that would acknowledge him, which they are trying not to do. Firing him over something he said almost ten years ago was also an overreaction. whatever you think of the man doesn't change the fact that they went overboard. In all fairness, I found the Roddy Piper tribute magazine to be very touching & appropriate, even without Hulk Hogan - I didn't even realize he wasn't in there until someone on this board mentioned it...
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Post by ohernan6 on Aug 31, 2015 13:22:18 GMT -5
They didn't ban superstars from going on Piper's podcast. Austin didn't like the Sasso thing so Podcast One made the decision to have it taken down, then Piper quit because he did not want to be censored. Piper had also supposedly lost his Legends contract MONTHS prior to the incident, so if superstars weren't allowed on it was due to that. This info came from Dan Spivey responding to Haynes ludicrous accusations. What is so ridiculous that WWE did to Hogan? All they did was terminate his contract, pull his merch, and remove his bio/profile (not all mention of him) from their website. They didn't start slandering him like Warrior. They didn't have JBL make jabs at him on RAW like Trump. They didn't remove all mention of him on their website like Benoit. Tell me, what did they do that was wrong? Was he in the Piper magazine? No? Exactly. Hogan/Piper and Rock n Wrestling fueled Wrestlemania 1. As for WCW, there was no need for him to even be there without Hogan, so eliminating him from the magazine was a clear attempt to try to erase his contribution to Piper's career.They didn't slander him because there would be no point, and that would acknowledge him, which they are trying not to do. Firing him over something he said almost ten years ago was also an overreaction. whatever you think of the man doesn't change the fact that they went overboard. I think you're not understanding the business side of the decision. I bet you anything that WWE wishes they, as well as the rest of the world, can just let Hogan's comments be forgotten and move on. I bet WWE isn't even mad at Hogan. But they have to do what's right for their business...
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Aug 31, 2015 13:39:54 GMT -5
Was he in the Piper magazine? No? Exactly. Hogan/Piper and Rock n Wrestling fueled Wrestlemania 1. As for WCW, there was no need for him to even be there without Hogan, so eliminating him from the magazine was a clear attempt to try to erase his contribution to Piper's career.They didn't slander him because there would be no point, and that would acknowledge him, which they are trying not to do. Firing him over something he said almost ten years ago was also an overreaction. whatever you think of the man doesn't change the fact that they went overboard. I think you're not understanding the business side of the decision. I bet you anything that WWE wishes they, as well as the rest of the world, can just let Hogan's comments be forgotten and move on. I bet WWE isn't even mad at Hogan. But they have to do what's right for their business... I don't see firing your most famous legend and ignoring probably the biggest part of your history for comments made nearly a decade ago as a good business decision. I never said they should do nothing, but they could've easily gotten away with a public suspension, maybe pulling the figures, but removing him from the HOF and pulling him from the game both are a bit much. it's not like he's the cover star of the game, and the feud with Piper was arguably the biggest part of Hot Rods career, so it does a disservice to Piper as well. The figures are kind of a different story. Regardless, a suspension would've given them time to assess the damage before making a final decision. I highly doubt there would've been a "suspension? He should be fired!"campaign considering that the remarks were so old. I think there was a bit more than mere business in mind when the decision was made.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Aug 31, 2015 13:58:58 GMT -5
Was he in the Piper magazine? No? Exactly. Hogan/Piper and Rock n Wrestling fueled Wrestlemania 1. As for WCW, there was no need for him to even be there without Hogan, so eliminating him from the magazine was a clear attempt to try to erase his contribution to Piper's career.They didn't slander him because there would be no point, and that would acknowledge him, which they are trying not to do. Firing him over something he said almost ten years ago was also an overreaction. whatever you think of the man doesn't change the fact that they went overboard. I think you're not understanding the business side of the decision. I bet you anything that WWE wishes they, as well as the rest of the world, can just let Hogan's comments be forgotten and move on. I bet WWE isn't even mad at Hogan. But they have to do what's right for their business... Not everyone is cut out to run a business because many people allow their emotions to override their common sense in decision making. A lot of negative comments about the WWE's handling of Hogan are prime examples of that. Firing him over RACIST COMMENTS he said almost 10 years ago is an overreaction only if the hot-button social issue for the moment isn't how racism currently exists in our world AND Hogan himself is just a performer on tv and nothing more. Unfortunately for him, he was hired and referred to regularly as an ambassador for the WWE. As someone representing the company, comments like those he used, behind closed doors or not, are damaging to WWE, not just Hogan himself. If this were 5 years ago they could have just demoted him and sent him to a sensitivity training and been done with it. We live in a world right now where a handful of stupid individuals that became police officers did terrible things with their power, and because of it, a good chunk of the nation believes all cops are terrible people and shouldn't be able to enforce the law. Hogan probably was on board with the termination because it came BEFORE anyone had a chance to really react or judge the action or inaction by WWE. The company looks like a proactive group, Hogan gets to apologize like he did today, time will pass and, hopefully, this will blow over sooner rather than later and he can return one last time. It'll be a feel-good story for everyone.
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Post by ohernan6 on Aug 31, 2015 14:31:42 GMT -5
I think you're not understanding the business side of the decision. I bet you anything that WWE wishes they, as well as the rest of the world, can just let Hogan's comments be forgotten and move on. I bet WWE isn't even mad at Hogan. But they have to do what's right for their business... I don't see firing your most famous legend and ignoring probably the biggest part of your history for comments made nearly a decade ago as a good business decision. I never said they should do nothing, but they could've easily gotten away with a public suspension, maybe pulling the figures, but removing him from the HOF and pulling him from the game both are a bit much. it's not like he's the cover star of the game, and the feud with Piper was arguably the biggest part of Hot Rods career, so it does a disservice to Piper as well. The figures are kind of a different story. Regardless, a suspension would've given them time to assess the damage before making a final decision. I highly doubt there would've been a "suspension? He should be fired!"campaign considering that the remarks were so old. I think there was a bit more than mere business in mind when the decision was made. See the comment directly above... he worded it better than I did... lol
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Post by J12 on Aug 31, 2015 14:41:53 GMT -5
I'm surprised we're still seeing discussion about WWE's reaction to this, honestly. I fully believe WWE did exactly what they needed to do, being a publicly traded company that is VERY conscious of public perception within the media realm all while trying to appease stockholders. I said that from day one, and I still believe it to be absolutely true. Whether the media's reaction to the story was overblown or not is virtually irrelevant here. WWE was forced to react in congruence with the media's take, and their reaction, in that context, was applicable.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Aug 31, 2015 14:54:05 GMT -5
I think you're not understanding the business side of the decision. I bet you anything that WWE wishes they, as well as the rest of the world, can just let Hogan's comments be forgotten and move on. I bet WWE isn't even mad at Hogan. But they have to do what's right for their business... Not everyone is cut out to run a business because many people allow their emotions to override their common sense in decision making. A lot of negative comments about the WWE's handling of Hogan are prime examples of that. Firing him over RACIST COMMENTS he said almost 10 years ago is an overreaction only if the hot-button social issue for the moment isn't how racism currently exists in our world AND Hogan himself is just a performer on tv and nothing more. Unfortunately for him, he was hired and referred to regularly as an ambassador for the WWE. As someone representing the company, comments like those he used, behind closed doors or not, are damaging to WWE, not just Hogan himself. If this were 5 years ago they could have just demoted him and sent him to a sensitivity training and been done with it. We live in a world right now where a handful of stupid individuals that became police officers did terrible things with their power, and because of it, a good chunk of the nation believes all cops are terrible people and shouldn't be able to enforce the law. Hogan probably was on board with the termination because it came BEFORE anyone had a chance to really react or judge the action or inaction by WWE. The company looks like a proactive group, Hogan gets to apologize like he did today, time will pass and, hopefully, this will blow over sooner rather than later and he can return one last time. It'll be a feel-good story for everyone. I just don't see it that way. Like it or not, Hogan is special. No he isn't above reproach, and I never said they should do nothing; demoting him from the Ambassador position, suspending him, and pulling merch would have sent the same message - that no matter how big of a name that you are, you will be held accountable for your actions. The issue is violence against people of African decent, specifically by people of whom are responsible for serving and protecting all people. Yes, racism is a part of it, but there was no violence, Hogan never threatened or condoned violence, he was just bull$#!tting as part of a different issue. What he said was stupid, and words do hurt, but this isn't exactly part of a long history of even thinly-veiled racism. The complete and utter lack of any semblance of loyalty (since WWE always claims to be a "family"), as well as the fact that the end result was very reminiscent of what happened with Benoit - who performed actions far worse, yet also remains on the Network - is what has rubbed people the wrong way. Similar can be said about what happened with Bill Cosby. He's being rubbed out to the point that one of the greatest sitcoms of all time is no longer on the air anywhere. Like Benoit, that is more understandable. In spite of their history, if this were a podcast appearance or radio interview from a month ago rather than nearly ten years ago I would be more inclined to agree with you, as his words would have a greater bearing on the zeitgeist. The message of 'stupid racist remarks in the past deserve the same punishment as murder suicide involving a child' is present to anyone in the know. I don't think that most people would want to see someone else lose their job (and in this case, see them actively shunned from history) over stupid comments made many years ago that don't involve any threats or proclivities toward violence. In a public company, under similar circumstances, and concerning someone with as much history of the industry so clearly intertwined with my organization, as well as my organization's success (arguably the reason why my organization is where it is) I would absolutely do the things that I said above, and I am confident that such an organization would not be criticized for failing to 'sever all ties, past and present' with this person while also escaping the threat of people claiming that they had done nothing. Those of us knocking the WWE would be far less likely to do so under these circumstances. Nobody EVER said they should do nothing. Loyalty should count for something. That is where I have always stood, we are going to have to agree to disagree.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Aug 31, 2015 15:03:32 GMT -5
Hogan recently told TMZ that he holds no ill will towards WWE or Vince. He then calls them his family. Sounds like he's made peace with what they had to do quicker than many here have. We all know this is going to be locked soon enough. It's a lot easier to hold a grudge when it isn't your livelihood on the line.
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Post by Rob on Aug 31, 2015 15:06:32 GMT -5
WWE erased Hogan like Subway erased Jared.
One said some questionable things in the privacy of his own home and one molested children.
WWE blew this all out of proportion.
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Post by BCizzle on Aug 31, 2015 15:17:04 GMT -5
It's just not the N word it's the fact that he said the only successful black men are basketball players is what really bothered me and for that I have no respect for him. You must be black. Nobody talks about "respect" more than black guys. What's up with that? As I white guy, I don't "respect" Hogan. He's a lying egomaniac. He also has had some very entertaining moments in the ring. Some rough ones, too. And some terrible movies. But I don't think he's some horrible inhuman racist - he's just a flawed human being.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 31, 2015 15:20:37 GMT -5
They didn't ban superstars from going on Piper's podcast. Austin didn't like the Sasso thing so Podcast One made the decision to have it taken down, then Piper quit because he did not want to be censored. Piper had also supposedly lost his Legends contract MONTHS prior to the incident, so if superstars weren't allowed on it was due to that. This info came from Dan Spivey responding to Haynes ludicrous accusations. What is so ridiculous that WWE did to Hogan? All they did was terminate his contract, pull his merch, and remove his bio/profile (not all mention of him) from their website. They didn't start slandering him like Warrior. They didn't have JBL make jabs at him on RAW like Trump. They didn't remove all mention of him on their website like Benoit. Tell me, what did they do that was wrong? Was he in the Piper magazine? No? Exactly. Hogan/Piper and Rock n Wrestling fueled Wrestlemania 1. As for WCW, there was no need for him to even be there without Hogan, so eliminating him from the magazine was a clear attempt to try to erase his contribution to Piper's career.They didn't slander him because there would be no point, and that would acknowledge him, which they are trying not to do. Firing him over something he said almost ten years ago was also an overreaction. whatever you think of the man doesn't change the fact that they went overboard. A magazine. Not a book, movie, or documentary; a magazine. A magazine means nothing, this isn't 1998. In 2015 Magazines are a dying form of media. Oh no, big bad WWE didn't include Hogan in magazine that probably didn't sell too many copies (again, dying industry). Did you know a lot of the drugging and raping by Bill Cosby was done more than 10 years ago? It doesn't matter when it happened when it is being brought up now. Had this broke when it was recorded and WWE still wouldn't let that bridge be rebuilt, I'd understand the criticism, but this didn't come to public attention until a little over a month ago. Oh no, Hogan hasn't been included in a month's worth of stuff. He even said he understands and is okay with why WWE took the actions they took. And it hasn't been nearly 10 years. Even though Hogan says this happened in 2006, it happened at the earliest in very late 2007. Hogan mentions his divorce being finalized on the tape which wasn't even filed until November 20, 2007. The divorce wasn't finalized until 2009, six years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 15:34:41 GMT -5
It's just not the N word it's the fact that he said the only successful black men are basketball players is what really bothered me and for that I have no respect for him. You must be black. Nobody talks about "respect" more than black guys. What's up with that? As I white guy, I don't "respect" Hogan. He's a lying egomaniac. He also has had some very entertaining moments in the ring. Some rough ones, too. And some terrible movies. But I don't think he's some horrible inhuman racist - he's just a flawed human being. I am black but I just thought what he said to be disrespectful.I mean for him to say that the only black people that matter are basketball players just got to me.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Aug 31, 2015 15:42:27 GMT -5
Was he in the Piper magazine? No? Exactly. Hogan/Piper and Rock n Wrestling fueled Wrestlemania 1. As for WCW, there was no need for him to even be there without Hogan, so eliminating him from the magazine was a clear attempt to try to erase his contribution to Piper's career.They didn't slander him because there would be no point, and that would acknowledge him, which they are trying not to do. Firing him over something he said almost ten years ago was also an overreaction. whatever you think of the man doesn't change the fact that they went overboard. A magazine. Not a book, movie, or documentary; a magazine. A magazine means nothing, this isn't 1998. In 2015 Magazines are a dying form of media. Oh no, big bad WWE didn't include Hogan in magazine that probably didn't sell too many copies (again, dying industry). Did you know a lot of the drugging and raping by Bill Cosby was done more than 10 years ago? It doesn't matter when it happened when it is being brought up now. Had this broke when it was recorded and WWE still wouldn't let that bridge be rebuilt, I'd understand the criticism, but this didn't come to public attention until a little over a month ago. Oh no, Hogan hasn't been included in a month's worth of stuff. He even said he understands and is okay with why WWE took the actions they took. And it hasn't been nearly 10 years. Even though Hogan says this happened in 2006, it happened at the earliest in very late 2007. Hogan mentions his divorce being finalized on the tape which wasn't even filed until November 20, 2007. The divorce wasn't finalized until 2009, six years ago. You're obviously getting too riled up over this, getting bogged down by minutiae and comparing what Hogan did to what Bill Cosby did. I've said my piece, and you're starting to get fussy, so I'm going to peace out before I say something that gets me a warning bar. I suggest you do the same...maybe a nap too though.
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Post by juaumguterres on Aug 31, 2015 15:54:46 GMT -5
I would like to understand the WWE's logic.
The biggest name in the industry makes a racist statement in 2006/07, the statement comes now and he is summarily fired from the company, scratched from the Hall of Fame, Mattel suspend the line, etc.
An employee makes a racist statement about a Mexican wrestler takes a slap and is suspended while the wrestler is summarily fired.
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Post by cmiller79 on Aug 31, 2015 17:25:15 GMT -5
Here in Tampa where I live they are not happy with him blaming south Tampa for the use of the n word they were talking to his neighbors and people that he grew up with in south tampa on the news and they were saying he was a liar and he has this big fan base but never did anything for south tampa
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Post by ohernan6 on Aug 31, 2015 17:38:45 GMT -5
For those who think it is outrageous that "Hogan has been removed from the WWE history books" or "WWE has no loyalty to their biggest name of all time"...
You're getting worked up over nothing. I bet he'll be back in WWE's world in about a year.
Hey, didn't Stone Cold beat the crap out of his wife? I think that's worse...
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Post by marino13 on Aug 31, 2015 18:01:59 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 31, 2015 18:02:47 GMT -5
A magazine. Not a book, movie, or documentary; a magazine. A magazine means nothing, this isn't 1998. In 2015 Magazines are a dying form of media. Oh no, big bad WWE didn't include Hogan in magazine that probably didn't sell too many copies (again, dying industry). Did you know a lot of the drugging and raping by Bill Cosby was done more than 10 years ago? It doesn't matter when it happened when it is being brought up now. Had this broke when it was recorded and WWE still wouldn't let that bridge be rebuilt, I'd understand the criticism, but this didn't come to public attention until a little over a month ago. Oh no, Hogan hasn't been included in a month's worth of stuff. He even said he understands and is okay with why WWE took the actions they took. And it hasn't been nearly 10 years. Even though Hogan says this happened in 2006, it happened at the earliest in very late 2007. Hogan mentions his divorce being finalized on the tape which wasn't even filed until November 20, 2007. The divorce wasn't finalized until 2009, six years ago. You're obviously getting too riled up over this, getting bogged down by minutiae and comparing what Hogan did to what Bill Cosby did. I've said my piece, and you're starting to get fussy, so I'm going to peace out before I say something that gets me a warning bar. I suggest you do the same...maybe a nap too though. I am not getting fussy, it may appear that way. I did phrase a bit of that poorly in hindsight. I do agree that we should probably end this here as I don't see either one of us changing the other's mind.
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