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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 10:58:57 GMT -5
If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen... or in this case find another job Business 101 states that you should always listen to what your customers have to say and that the customer is always right (even when they are not). If they want people to buy their products and to make a profit then they have to listen to me and every other paying customer, regardless of whether they like what we are saying. I am not like others on here who nitpick about the most minute details like skin tone or height issues, I merely pointed out that the figure they released of this particular wrestler was a mistake and the fact that it sold poorly proves that they should have listened to their customers instead of doing their own thing. In any event, this discussion is all for nothing as its very unlikely that we will ever get a proper Snuka figure now so no point in taking this any further, I have said my piece. Where exactly did I do that, do you know how to read properly?! killergrooves mentioned that if Snuka is convicted then he doesn't want a figure of him. My comment was that if you are going to exclude figures from your collection of wrestlers who committed a crime, be it drugs, alcohol, murder, robbery, rape, etc. then you won't have very many figures in your collections because most of these guys have committed some sort of transgression in their lives.
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Post by customania on Sept 2, 2015 18:38:05 GMT -5
This is sad but then again it's like Benoit, just because he's good at wrestling didn't mean he didn't do it. If he did do it he should be charged, he has got away with it for 30 years. I'm not sure I want a Snuka right now, especially after what he has done (most likely done). He let his fans and everyone down and I think the figure not happening isn't the worst thing. I'm not really sure if I had a kid I would want him to buy a murderer, then again I got a few JAKKS CB. This is so tragic atleast her family have got justice after all these years (if Snuka did really do it).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 18:40:03 GMT -5
If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen... or in this case find another job Business 101 states that you should always listen to what your customers have to say and that the customer is always right (even when they are not). If they want people to buy their products and to make a profit then they have to listen to me and every other paying customer, regardless of whether they like what we are saying. I am not like others on here who nitpick about the most minute details like skin tone or height issues, I merely pointed out that the figure they released of this particular wrestler was a mistake and the fact that it sold poorly proves that they should have listened to their customers instead of doing their own thing. In any event, this discussion is all for nothing as its very unlikely that we will ever get a proper Snuka figure now so no point in taking this any further, I have said my piece. Where exactly did I do that, do you know how to read properly?! killergrooves mentioned that if Snuka is convicted then he doesn't want a figure of him. My comment was that if you are going to exclude figures from your collection of wrestlers who committed a crime, be it drugs, alcohol, murder, robbery, rape, etc. then you won't have very many figures in your collections because most of these guys have committed some sort of transgression in their lives. As for my supposed comparison of drug/alcohol abuse to murder, have you never heard of drunks who get behind the wheel and end up killing people- is that not murder?! In my book, drug addicts & alcoholics are just as bad as murders- all of them cause harm to other people. Idk man. Marketing teaches you to make customers want what you produce. Also. You're crazy
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 2, 2015 18:50:20 GMT -5
I think the barefoot/trunks Snuka is a more appropriate figure for Snuka but I dont see anything wrong with the tights & boots version except his skinny legs. I personally really liked the figure. If we were going to get a barefoot/trunks version though I hope they go with a "wet hair" look as he seemed to always have his hair slicked back and not puffy.
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Post by jeffro2000 on Sept 2, 2015 18:59:11 GMT -5
Obviously, the tights aren't his iconic look, but I too thought the Legends figure was a nice figure.
I never really had an issue with it either.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 2, 2015 19:20:07 GMT -5
This. To me, he was just a jobber with no shoes. amen didnt Taker run through him in like 8 minutes at Mania The Undertaker defeated an unnamed blurred out opponent at WrestleMania VII to begin his undefeated streak
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 19:26:06 GMT -5
wwe: kill somebody no problem if you not get sentenced, hit women no problem nobody take it on video, say in privace a bad word you will be ereased forever wwe: the product for familys... the only hope i have left is that now where the wwe is in trouble they can not longer conceal what they really are hypocrite! the media will now search and search for more big stuff from the wwe now and in the past. karma will get all of us vinnie
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Post by The Delightful One on Sept 2, 2015 19:50:10 GMT -5
They really should have given us trunks and ankle tape Snuka first. But the tights look wasn't really a bad idea, it was the execution that was off. I was re-watching the Royal Rumble 1992 and Snuka is wearing the exact same tights, albeit with different boots. As for his guilt, I wouldn't like to speculate either way. Whichever way you look at the situation, it's a disaster for all concerned.
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Post by JNH2248 on Sept 2, 2015 20:26:09 GMT -5
wwe: kill somebody no problem if you not get sentenced, hit women no problem nobody take it on video, say in privace a bad word you will be ereased forever wwe: the product for familys... the only hope i have left is that now where the wwe is in trouble they can not longer conceal what they really are hypocrite! the media will now search and search for more big stuff from the wwe now and in the past. karma will get all of us vinnie Casket closed...
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Post by JNH2248 on Sept 2, 2015 20:26:48 GMT -5
amen didnt Taker run through him in like 8 minutes at Mania The Undertaker defeated an unnamed blurred out opponent at WrestleMania VII to begin his undefeated streak A secret video game character??!!
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Post by RWF on Sept 2, 2015 20:40:01 GMT -5
While it certainly seems to be common knowledge that Snuka probably DID murder her, I have my doubts he'll be convicted. Unless they have some sort of evidence they didn't in the past, there's nothing to convict on. Snuka told people different stories. That is damning evidence and would have been pretty bad.... 30 years ago. Not remembering the story properly for his autobiography won't hold up in court. He's old, sick and has been known to be off his rocker for decades. It's very easy to explain away why an old man who's got cancer, can't remember the night his girlfriend died. He spent 30 years being dropped on his head. This trial will be a big deal, but unless they have something else, it's going to be virtually impossible to convict him. You need to convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it. There's nothing there to do that. Even if she had bruises and such from Snuka, he's not on trial for slapping her around. The burden of proof for murder is pretty big and that's not here, at least not in what has been presented to the media. They wouldn't of arrested him if they hadn't found any sort of proof, especially after so long. Not necessarily. The family has been pressuring the DA for years and after winning a civil suit, they had more grounds. They're charging him now, because they never bothered to then. I see this more as a bit of a "See we tried" more than anything. That's not to say they don't have some sort of surprise evidence that hasn't been revealed, but as of now the story is that it's only based on his variance in stories through the years. That will not hold up in a 30 year old murder trial with a man who's sick, has been dropped on his head for decades and suffers from dementia.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 20:52:02 GMT -5
They wouldn't of arrested him if they hadn't found any sort of proof, especially after so long. Not necessarily. The family has been pressuring the DA for years and after winning a civil suit, they had more grounds. They're charging him now, because they never bothered to then. I see this more as a bit of a "See we tried" more than anything. That's not to say they don't have some sort of surprise evidence that hasn't been revealed, but as of now the story is that it's only based on his variance in stories through the years. That will not hold up in a 30 year old murder trial with a man who's sick, has been dropped on his head for decades and suffers from dementia. It all comes down to them finding evidence that places him at the scene of it. Obviously he was there, but there has to be something linking him to it. Or knowing pa, something shady is up
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Post by I AM CHONO! on Sept 3, 2015 3:24:04 GMT -5
Honestly, most wrestlers at WWF at the time have to hear something about this back then. Wasn't there a story which McMahon went with him to the police station and acted as his translator because Snuka couldn't speak English?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 3:33:44 GMT -5
I don't believe that Snuka did it. However, he probably KNOWS way more than he's saying. You don't have to believe he did it, but here's a quick verified story about the victim and Snuka that took place only a couple months prior to her murder that certainly paints Snuka as the murderin type:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 3:38:53 GMT -5
Not necessarily. The family has been pressuring the DA for years and after winning a civil suit, they had more grounds. They're charging him now, because they never bothered to then. I see this more as a bit of a "See we tried" more than anything. That's not to say they don't have some sort of surprise evidence that hasn't been revealed, but as of now the story is that it's only based on his variance in stories through the years. That will not hold up in a 30 year old murder trial with a man who's sick, has been dropped on his head for decades and suffers from dementia. It all comes down to them finding evidence that places him at the scene of it. Obviously he was there, but there has to be something linking him to it. Or knowing pa, something shady is up The shady business is what covered it up and prevented the charges in the first place. There's a lot out there right now on the subject, but this week's issue of the Wrestling Observer sums it up real well. If anyone is interested, there's a lot of other reports here: www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/118-daily-updates/44347-wed-update-notes-on-jimmy-snuka-murder-charges-bram-released-from-jail-noguiera-retires-a-moreJust scroll down or ctrl+f "recommended" and it'll jump you to a list of reports and official documents. Also recommend checking out mobile.twitter.com/davidbix . There's excerpts from documents and reports but also Snuka and Tony Atlas' books on the situation. Fascinating stuff. Very sad.
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Post by Old School Collector on Sept 3, 2015 4:40:22 GMT -5
Well, he may have snapped at that particular point, but that doesn't have anything to do with THIS murder.
Yes, he has a violent past with the woman and everything leads to him being the murderer, but I'm not for saying that someone is guilty by assumption.
He might have very well done it, but if hey have no solid proof, then how could you put someone in prison ?
I hope that he didn't do it, but given the past incidents involving the 2, there certainly is enough reason there to believe that he did indeed commit the murder, but until solid evidence comes up then he's innocent and guilty of nothing more than assumption.
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Post by hoganvspiper on Sept 3, 2015 8:40:23 GMT -5
Honestly, most wrestlers at WWF at the time have to hear something about this back then. Wasn't there a story which McMahon went with him to the police station and acted as his translator because Snuka couldn't speak English?
Yes I know that has been reported in the past. The story conveyed that Vince was a mouthpiece of sorts for Snuka and defending him. I'm sure Vince realized Snuka's defense skills were not up to par. So, if Snuka is a murderer, I would say Vince is an accomplice in preventing justice. No Snuka figures and no Vince figures.
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Post by JNH2248 on Sept 3, 2015 17:36:30 GMT -5
Honestly, most wrestlers at WWF at the time have to hear something about this back then. Wasn't there a story which McMahon went with him to the police station and acted as his translator because Snuka couldn't speak English?
Yes I know that has been reported in the past. The story conveyed that Vince was a mouthpiece of sorts for Snuka and defending him. I'm sure Vince realized Snuka's defense skills were not up to par. So, if Snuka is a murderer, I would say Vince is an accomplice in preventing justice. No Snuka figures and no Vince figures.
That's why I've always said Vince was a sort of "harbor er" in this situation...
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