gawd6sic6™
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" I cross the lines you love to hate "
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Sept 1, 2015 19:36:42 GMT -5
That right there is a bad heel promo. Notice when Seth Rollins cuts promos on, for example, Sting or John Cena. He runs them down and insults them, but he still refers to them as legends and great competitors. Therefore when he beats them, it's a big deal because he's beat a legend. He's accomplished something. He has something to brag about. Nikki, on the other hand, says nothing positive about Charlotte here. She just runs her down and says she should still be in NXT. Therefore if she wins, she's accomplished nothing. She's just beat someone who should be in NXT. She has nothing to brag about afterwards because she beat no one. It's scripted, u idiot. Hence why he called it a bad heel promo... I feel they are totally right. If you beat someone that's not on your level, it means nothing. So nikki could beat blue pants all day long and talk trash about her this way. And it wouldn't mean a thing. Because she was below her. But if she talks trash about blue pants but still makes he seem like a credible opponent.... it would make her win mean more. The way this promo was scripted wasn't great.
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Post by King Silva on Sept 1, 2015 19:40:35 GMT -5
Nikki is a heel and she was saying this in character so I don't really find any issue with this.
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Post by Ember's Flame on Sept 1, 2015 19:41:27 GMT -5
I try so hard to even tolerate Nikki, I can't do it anymore. Save us Charlotte. Please. It won't happen. Paige will cause interference, and turn on Charlotte, thus giving the win to Nikki. Don't forget, Paige wanted help in beating Nikki for the Divas Title. Instead, she loses her shot and Charlotte gets it. I see a heel turn by Paige here for sure on the PCB group. I can see that happening. At least it gives this "revolution" an actual storyline.
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Post by PJ on Sept 1, 2015 19:48:03 GMT -5
Firstly it is true. For someone who claimed she was going to do it on her own merits and not on her father's coattails all she has done is imulate him. But all that interview did was show Nikki as an overconfident Champion not taking the challenger seriously ending with her losing at the PPV. Personally she delivered it perfectly.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 1, 2015 20:12:11 GMT -5
Wfigs idea of a heel promo in 2015:
"Me and you are going into a war this Sunday! One man will be left standing. Best of luck to ya though. But don't fret. You're a tough guy and you'll be back on top in no time. Because let's be honest... that match you had a few weeks back was fantastic. Top quality stuff man. I'm jealous of your move-set. You know? Come to think of it, you're most likely going to defeat me. Cause truth be told, you're the better man. And I'll most likely get caught trying to cheat. Because the ref went to college and he's a smart guy. So he'll most likely be on top of his game and he'll stop me. You and the ref are two of my favorite people in this company. God bless you both. See ya Sunday, buddy!"
"And one more thing... My mom made that banana chocolate pie you've been asking for. I'll bring it Sunday. You're gonna love it!"
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Thunder Chunky
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Sept 1, 2015 20:14:08 GMT -5
If this was Sasha Banks saying what Nikki said, would people still be freaking out?
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Post by TurboEddie on Sept 1, 2015 20:51:32 GMT -5
I saw nothing wrong with that promo. It was just Nikki Bella doing her job, being a heel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 20:53:17 GMT -5
Wfigs idea of a heel promo in 2015: "Me and you are going into a war this Sunday! One man will be left standing. Best of luck to ya though. But don't fret. You're a tough guy and you'll be back on top in no time. Because let's be honest... that match you had a few weeks back was fantastic. Top quality stuff man. I'm jealous of your move-set. You know? Come to think of it, you're most likely going to defeat me. Cause truth be told, you're the better man. And I'll most likely get caught trying to cheat. Because the ref went to college and he's a smart guy. So he'll most likely be on top of his game and he'll stop me. You and the ref are two of my favorite people in this company. God bless you both. See ya Sunday, buddy!"
"And one more thing... My mom made that banana chocolate pie you've been asking for. I'll bring it Sunday. You're gonna love it!"
I haven't laughed so hard at something on this site in ages! Thanks mate!
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Sept 1, 2015 21:05:45 GMT -5
When are people gonna realize heels are supposed to be rat bastards? You're not meant to like what they say. You're supposed to be pissed off. It's their job to be rude, insensitive, and have a holier than thou attitude. A good heel doesn't talk about how great their opponent is. They trash em, they bury them, they diminish all that they've accomplished. They are the bad guys (girls) for a reason! This was nothing more than a heel promo. I have no idea who to blame for this. Jim Ross commented recently on heels needing to be the evil villain that people don't like, not the cool villain that everyone wants to buy a t-shirt of. I see those like Rollins and Owens now, much like Punk and Bryan before casted at heels and sometimes they were dastardly, and sometimes they weren't, but a good chunk of the fan base cheers for them anyway. I agree with your points completely, but is it those fans that need to voice approval of the guy/gal that is the heel, the WWE scripting the heels to be cool so we buy merchandise, is it the wrestler that is told "be a bad guy" but wants to be adored so much that he/she acts cool and tries to steal the show, or a combo platter of it all?
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Post by Booger Red on Sept 1, 2015 21:18:46 GMT -5
Charlotte wasn't buried, but this wasn't a good heel promo from Nikki either. I understand that she had to insult Charlotte to get some heat, but she presented Charlotte as a non-threat who shouldn't belong on the main roster. If Nikki wins, she beats someone who shouldn't be there; If she loses, she lost to said person and it makes her look terrible. I'm more bummed that Nikki ing Bella is probably going to be the longest reigning Divas Champion of all time.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 1, 2015 21:21:33 GMT -5
That is a by-the-numbers, but effectively written and brief heel promo.
The reason it didn't really work is because it is both A.) being delivered by an untalented performer, and B.) it is a formality of a match that is happening after Nikki is going to set a token record for title reign longevity for the Divas championship. I honestly can't name a single title defense she has had since winning the title, nor could I tell you who she beat, how, or when.
The criticism many (including John Cena in the most maddeningly pseudo-shoot kayfabe promo) levied upon CM Punk's long title reign, which was filled with great matches and undermined by those who didn't like him, is actually very appropriate for Nikki's reign. It's been meaningless and nobody cares how many days it's been.
I can't stress how miserably, poisonously unappealing the Bellas are as performers. They are the modern day standard bearers of X-Pac heat.
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Post by HVMMONS on Sept 1, 2015 21:56:32 GMT -5
It's on ing WWE's YouTube. That should be obvious enough. It was just a standard heel promo. Also, Charlotte has been spotlighted as Ric Flair's daughter WAY more on the main roster than she was on NXT. Sure, she has the theme song blended into her own theme and also uses the Figure Four (sorry, Figure Eight), but it's far, far away from how she's perceived on the main roster.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 22:01:55 GMT -5
The bella twins can never win.They can put on a 5 star classic match and people still wouldn't care.
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facemeat
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Post by facemeat on Sept 1, 2015 22:13:44 GMT -5
The bella twins can never win. They can put on a 5 star classic match and people still wouldn't care. (I know you were speaking hypothetically, but I couldn't resist. )
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 1, 2015 22:20:07 GMT -5
This PPV should be called, Night of Champions: A Flair for the Gold
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Post by marino13 on Sept 1, 2015 22:56:19 GMT -5
When are people gonna realize heels are supposed to be rat bastards? You're not meant to like what they say. You're supposed to be pissed off. It's their job to be rude, insensitive, and have a holier than thou attitude. A good heel doesn't talk about how great their opponent is. They trash em, they bury them, they diminish all that they've accomplished. They are the bad guys (girls) for a reason! This was nothing more than a heel promo. I have no idea who to blame for this. Jim Ross commented recently on heels needing to be the evil villain that people don't like, not the cool villain that everyone wants to buy a t-shirt of. I see those like Rollins and Owens now, much like Punk and Bryan before casted at heels and sometimes they were dastardly, and sometimes they weren't, but a good chunk of the fan base cheers for them anyway. I agree with your points completely, but is it those fans that need to voice approval of the guy/gal that is the heel, the WWE scripting the heels to be cool so we buy merchandise, is it the wrestler that is told "be a bad guy" but wants to be adored so much that he/she acts cool and tries to steal the show, or a combo platter of it all? Fair points. I think we (and WWE) are in dire need of a good evil bastard heel. Owens is the best at it currently. But one problem nowadays is that social media backslashes as soon as anyone tries to be controversial. And WWE is so afraid of bad press they are afraid to push buttons. But imo the product suffers from the lack of a good evil bastard heel.
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torriefan4life
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Post by torriefan4life on Sept 1, 2015 23:00:53 GMT -5
This was just a heel promo *she was in character*. I really dislike The Bella Twins, but this was just a heel promo delivered by a woman who can't put a good promo together.
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Post by J12 on Sept 1, 2015 23:16:34 GMT -5
It was just a badly scripted heel promo. Fits right in with the rest of this revolution garbage.
If she had cut this on Raw, I think it would matter a little bit more. But it's on WWE.com, who cares?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 23:35:49 GMT -5
I thought it was fine.
Brie trying to get a word in at the end was hilarious.
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Post by A-Rob on Sept 2, 2015 0:48:47 GMT -5
I can't wait for the day until she and her sister retire.
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