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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 14:06:33 GMT -5
Didn't a celebrity help steve austin win the title?
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Post by IRS on Sept 6, 2015 14:13:35 GMT -5
I had absolutely no problem with the match. Amell looked good, and at least he's a huge fan of the business.
I agree that it sucks to have people come in that don't give two craps about wrestling, and waste time with a boring match/segment(s) that nobody cares about, but I think that was far from the case here.
Besides, what else were Stardust and Barrett gonna do? Sit in the locker room? Have a match on the pre-show?
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Post by dante123 on Sept 6, 2015 14:25:23 GMT -5
Didn't a celebrity help steve austin win the title? Tyson was different since is a pro athlete and considered the baddest man on the planet at that time frame.
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Post by AmericanMadeLesGold on Sept 6, 2015 14:26:07 GMT -5
Personally I think Austin is right on here.
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Sept 6, 2015 14:50:48 GMT -5
So it's ok for Austin to jump over into movies with real actors who dedicate their life to a craft, but for it to go the other way around is totally embarrassing? Yeah, ok then. From a guy with a filmography filled with unwatchable acting performances, I'll remember that next time he has a movie debut straight to Redbox. Haha. Good point. This is nothing new. So, I don't get why it matters that much to him.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 6, 2015 15:01:30 GMT -5
I mean, No offense to Stardust & Barrett but it got them a match on the card, got mainstream media coverage, a video package and air time to build the feud. Neville, Stardust and especially Barrett weren't doing jack sh*t otherwise. Barrett's entire career has been a rib anyways. At least Amelll looked halfway athletic. It's not like they jobbed to Jay Leno. All excellent points. I usually agree with Austin when it comes to celebrity participation. Its not like they had Amell go out there and clown 2 WWE superstars. As far as his remark about Stardust appearing in a show with Amell, he is right. Stardust would probably just get a cameo appearance. However, the reason why WWE is going to give Amell more of a role is b/c Amell can attract more main stream attention for WWE vs. what Stardust could do for Arrow. Dont think WWE was doing this just to fulfill a dream for Stephen Amell. They did this because they knew they could benefit from it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 15:21:09 GMT -5
Well, as Amell actually did some training before hand, I didn't have a problem with him being in the match.
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Post by TheLastDude on Sept 6, 2015 16:16:32 GMT -5
Personally, I thought it was the best celebrity match that has taken place in WWE. Amell wasn't afraid to take a few bumps, looked athletic & didn't get the pin. Plus it got WWE mainstream media attention. Him actually being a wrestling fan helped too. He looked legit nervous most of the match and didn't do anything unrealistic at all. It was VERY well executed in my opinion. Amell played his part so damn good. I hate when celebs come in and act like they know what they're doing almost like it's just another acting gig......Amell didn't do that and it helped me enjoy the match and gain a ton of respect for him. If they stick with guys like Amell/Stewart who are fans and respect the business then im all for it. But people like Snooki need to stay FAR away..... This right here. If you look into how much working out the guy does for Arrow, it's obvious he respects the craft. He's in great shape, he's a fan, he didn't come off as an obnoxious twat, and he worked well during the match. Plus, as has been said, Neville got the pin. I don't see the harm in what either Amell or Stewart did. They fit in the roles they were given.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Sept 6, 2015 16:36:22 GMT -5
For a change I liked the celebrity participation this year, but more often than not any celeb in wrestling sucks.
None of the participants in the match seem to be going anywhere, anytime soon, Neville is highly over rater, Barrett always teases a push but gets injured and poor old Cody has to adapt a new gimmick every 6 months
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Sept 6, 2015 16:37:10 GMT -5
"You've got to protect some integrity of the [professional wrestling] business. I don't care what day and age, what year it is." From a guy who had to retire on medical grounds in 2003 and couldn't take a bump anymore, but still spent another year or so going in there and kicking the ass of the active wrestlers. Way to protect the integrity of the business and protect the guys, Steve. You forgot the fact that he was still making the company millions of dollars and was an active part of storylines because he was on TV every week. So, no, that's really not anywhere close to the same thing. I don't have a problem with what Austin said. It's insulting to guys who work to be on the card and then get snubbed. Not to mention, it's not like anyone was tuning in to see Stephen Amell wrestling.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Sept 6, 2015 16:38:01 GMT -5
I understand Austin's reasoning as a guy that spent so much time on the road honing his craft in the ring but in another sense I disagree. This kinda comes back to his disconnect of Wrestling Vs Sports Entertainment. Amell being in there was designed solely to attempt to get some outside eyes on the product and hook new fans while also promoting the new season of Arrow. It was nothing but great publicity for both sides.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 6, 2015 16:43:44 GMT -5
"You've got to protect some integrity of the [professional wrestling] business. I don't care what day and age, what year it is." From a guy who had to retire on medical grounds in 2003 and couldn't take a bump anymore, but still spent another year or so going in there and kicking the ass of the active wrestlers. Way to protect the integrity of the business and protect the guys, Steve. You forgot the fact that he was still making the company millions of dollars and was an active part of storylines because he was on TV every week. So, no, that's really not anywhere close to the same thing. Amell was making the company money, drawing mainstream publicity etc etc. So yes, in terms of crying about non-wrestlers beating up wrestlers, it's the same thing. Whether it's a broken-down wreck of a man or a celebrity who never had a match before, if active wrestlers selling for a non-wrestler is embarrassing then ol' Stone Cold doesn't know whether to be a hypocrite or wind his watch.
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Post by King Richius on Sept 6, 2015 16:52:51 GMT -5
Sometimes I think Austin makes really good points. Other times I think he talks just to hear the sound of his own voice. This is one of the latter times. Celebrities have always been a part of wrestling and always will because they put asses in seats that might not otherwise be there. We all know WWE is scripted so who cares if the celeb goes over a superstar? It wasn't like Hogan screaming in pain while Jay Leno puts him in a wrist lock. At least Amell tried to put on a good show and yes, that cross body off the top turnbuckle to the floor was impressive for a celeb to even try much less pull off convincingly.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Sept 6, 2015 16:56:54 GMT -5
I don't mind celebrity involvement in wrestling so long as they give a crapabout what they're doing and are a fan of wrestling in general. Thats why I like seeing Jon Stewart in a WWE ring. Same goes for Amell. I remember when Jeremy Piven was the guest GM, the first thing he said was 'I'm here to promote my movie' and it was an instant turn off. It wasn't just your usual 'celebrity does one move and gets the win' type match either. Even Amell's dive from the top rope to the outside looked good. Normally I'd agree with Steve (especially when he mentions how fast everything is now) but not this time. Sounds like the kinda match that makes you wanna go home and beat your wife, right, Stone Cold? What? What? Yawn.
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Post by attitudesback on Sept 6, 2015 17:04:02 GMT -5
I personally see no issue with Austin's comments. Amell could've been worse, I mean look at when WCW brought in Carl Malone. Dude did one clothesline and anyone in/near the ring damn near melted as if he'd pulled off a 360 flip levitating hurricanrana.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 17:11:24 GMT -5
Unlike other celebrity involvements Amell didn't do this for a paycheck. He's been a lifelong fan & he lived his dream.
I thought it was really well done because Amell spent most of his time in the ring getting his ass handed to him. It looked like he bit off more than he can chew & he sold it really well. It's not like he beat the hell out of Barrett & Stardust in 3 minutes by himself.
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Post by Sleeping Like An Angel on Sept 6, 2015 17:50:43 GMT -5
"You've got to protect some integrity of the [professional wrestling] business. I don't care what day and age, what year it is." From a guy who had to retire on medical grounds in 2003 and couldn't take a bump anymore, but still spent another year or so going in there and kicking the ass of the active wrestlers. Way to protect the integrity of the business and protect the guys, Steve. You forgot the fact that he was still making the company millions of dollars and was an active part of storylines because he was on TV every week. So, no, that's really not anywhere close to the same thing. I don't have a problem with what Austin said. It's insulting to guys who work to be on the card and then get snubbed. Not to mention, it's not like anyone was tuning in to see Stephen Amell wrestling.I tuned into Summerslam this year, re-activating my Network subscription, specifically because I wanted to see Stephen Amell.
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Post by IwasULTIMATE!!!! on Sept 6, 2015 18:09:09 GMT -5
"Undermines the credibility of professional wrestling"? Vince and Kevin Dunn say hi.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Sept 6, 2015 18:11:23 GMT -5
Totally get why he feels that way. As a fan though, it didn't bother me and overall I was impressed with Stephen and his willingness to take damage and even look weak. So it's ok for Austin to jump over into movies with real actors who dedicate their life to a craft, but for it to go the other way around is totally embarrassing? Yeah, ok then. From a guy with a filmography filled with unwatchable acting performances, I'll remember that next time he has a movie debut straight to Redbox. great counter-point!
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 6, 2015 18:19:56 GMT -5
Austin is completely right...I mean that whole Mr. T at Wrestlemania completely blew up in WWF's face.
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