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Post by PJ on Sept 30, 2015 21:23:53 GMT -5
What is this "scalper prices" nonsense? Scalper refers to someone who goes in a store and buys every one of the short packed figure to flip for a profit, it does not refer to someone selling a single figure. It's the second worst used term, coming close to the word rare on eBay So true, everyone talks about 'scalper prices' on ebay... Does that mean that rare figures like e 12 Kane should be sold for $20? No Mattel should just rerelease it. Seriously I have 2 of the SDCC Undertaker and 2 of the DM Warrior so I have no need to get either again. That said I don't care if they do keep rereleasing older figures. There's always someone who is new to collecting that might want them so it is nice for them to have a chance to get it at retail prices. Resale is not something that factors into my collecting. All I care about is the figures I want are on my shelves.
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 30, 2015 21:25:07 GMT -5
^^love that Ron Simmons sig!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 21:38:18 GMT -5
People complain too much. If you don't like the fact that they may re-release this fig, then don't ing buy it. Simple as that. Sigh. That's the problem. Unfortunate circumstances have warranted two straight re-releases (if this is really replacing Hogan). I fear this may kill interest in the line/not sell well due to already being available for so long. People not buying the figures is what killed this line in the first place, remember? Warrior had a ton of different looks. A different head and a re-paint would sell much better than a straight re-release.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 21:41:55 GMT -5
I'd rather have the replacement DM be a Tully Blanchard rerelease with a mountain of blow accessory
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 22:18:54 GMT -5
Well those aren't shots of it, figures don't come with stands anymore. But I wouldn't be surprised if this replaces Hogan. I already have it though, so pass.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 22:21:30 GMT -5
We arent the majority.
Why must this always be repeated
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 2:02:52 GMT -5
What is this "scalper prices" nonsense? Scalper refers to someone who goes in a store and buys every one of the short packed figure to flip for a profit, it does not refer to someone selling a single figure. It's the second worst used term, coming close to the word rare on eBay So true, everyone talks about 'scalper prices' on ebay... Does that mean that rare figures like e 12 Kane should be sold for $20? I know, how dare you sell your own stuff for the going rate, you damned scalper.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 2:05:22 GMT -5
What is this "scalper prices" nonsense? Scalper refers to someone who goes in a store and buys every one of the short packed figure to flip for a profit, it does not refer to someone selling a single figure. It's the second worst used term, coming close to the word rare on eBay First of all, he said "scalper prices" not that they were being sold by scalpers. There is subtle difference there. Anyway, a scalper by definition is "someone who sells a commodity at a large OR quick profit." The "profit" is the key word here. So if you pay retail for something and then turn around and sell it for twice the price or more, that makes you a scalper. There is no set number you have to buy. All you need to do is pay retail for a product and then attempt to sell it at a major markup, hence you making a profit and not simply recouping your losses. There have been court cases where judges have ruled that a "reasonable yet small" increase is acceptable for your "time and effort," but X2 or X4 increase isn't usually considered such. With that said, do I blame the scalpers? No way. If people pay that price for it then why not sell it? It's not against the law in most cases, and it gives some people a chance to buy a figure. But those who sell at a tremendous markup are scalpers by definition. If people don't like being called scalpers because of the connotations associated with it, then that's too bad for them. But that's what they are, by definition. If your selling your own stuff, your not a scalper, fact. If you bought a load, stored em up til they disappeared from stores your a scalper.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 1, 2015 2:52:12 GMT -5
Well & truly sucks if true! A few thoughts: 1) If you already have the figure (alot of collectors will) then you aren't going to buy again. Lower income than vs brand new figure 2) If production is an issue (i.e.: bringing forward DM Surfer Sting) then why not take a figure and rerelease with a new attire or simple repaint. Ie: E19 HBK and change colours. Add WM30 HBK chaps/vest with paint decal and maybe throw in 2 titles. Voila - new figure which is worth the money but not too much work involved. 3) Failing all the above at least change something about the figure to make it different from original. Ie: Different headscan or rubber duster, etc. When you've had to hunt the figure down to get it, pay over the odds or simply buy to find out its worth more now thats a great feeling as a collector. To then find out there is going to be an exact re-release you feel almost cheated and wonder why bother!For example the DM Undertaker. I started collecting after there SDCC Undertaker was released. I was in awe of this figure so waited patiently and snapped a deal on way for 25 which i thought was great. Now i find its being re-released my patience and appreciation diminishes. However if they re-released with maybe a cloth robe instead or a slightly different decal job i wouldn't be so disappointed. With maybe a blu-ish hint to the decals on the body and a ministry cloth robe rather than the cape piece i'd probably have bought again. But those who missed out on SDCC would still at least get something near it! Just my thoughts...... Totally agree. I really dislike out-and-out re-releases... especially in a collectible/premium line like Defining Moments - it's suddenly gone from awesome first-time/much-wanted figures to re-released/WTF? figures. Sure, a lot of it isn't really Mattel's fault - but surely a rush-released repaint/retool (eg. neon-cowboy Savage, Wolfpac Sting, brown tights/white shirt Mankind, different vest/attire Diesel or Kevin Nash) would be better that a re-released figure? Unless the line gets the likes of Goldberg, Owen Hart, Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy etc., I fear it may die out...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 2:59:09 GMT -5
First of all, he said "scalper prices" not that they were being sold by scalpers. There is subtle difference there. Anyway, a scalper by definition is "someone who sells a commodity at a large OR quick profit." The "profit" is the key word here. So if you pay retail for something and then turn around and sell it for twice the price or more, that makes you a scalper. There is no set number you have to buy. All you need to do is pay retail for a product and then attempt to sell it at a major markup, hence you making a profit and not simply recouping your losses. There have been court cases where judges have ruled that a "reasonable yet small" increase is acceptable for your "time and effort," but X2 or X4 increase isn't usually considered such. With that said, do I blame the scalpers? No way. If people pay that price for it then why not sell it? It's not against the law in most cases, and it gives some people a chance to buy a figure. But those who sell at a tremendous markup are scalpers by definition. If people don't like being called scalpers because of the connotations associated with it, then that's too bad for them. But that's what they are, by definition. If your selling your own stuff, your not a scalper, fact. If you bought a load, stored em up til they disappeared from stores your a scalper. So I buy Super Bowl tickets. The Super Bowl sells out. I sell my tickets at a markup. I'm not a scalper? By definition I am. If I sell it above retail value I am a scalper. Whether your intention was to go to the Super Bowl or not isn't relevant. It's the act of selling it above retail value that determines if you're a scalper. Of course it's smart to get whatever you can for your goods. No one can deny that. But that doesn't mean you aren't a scalper. Own up to it. MSRP says $19.99 and you sell it for $49.99, you are a scalper regardless of circumstance.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 1, 2015 3:13:39 GMT -5
If your selling your own stuff, your not a scalper, fact. If you bought a load, stored em up til they disappeared from stores your a scalper. So I buy Super Bowl tickets. The Super Bowl sells out. I sell my tickets at a markup. I'm not a scalper? By definition I am. If I sell it above retail value I am a scalper. Whether your intention was to go to the Super Bowl or not isn't relevant. It's the act of selling it above retail value that determines if you're a scalper. Of course it's smart to get whatever you can for your goods. No one can deny that. But that doesn't mean you aren't a scalper. Own up to it. MSRP says $19.99 and you sell it for $49.99, you are a scalper regardless of circumstance. ...I thought the definition of a scalper was someone who buys up all/a lot of rare or hard-to-find figures at retail, with the intention of selling them on at an inflated price...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 3:55:19 GMT -5
If your selling your own stuff, your not a scalper, fact. If you bought a load, stored em up til they disappeared from stores your a scalper. So I buy Super Bowl tickets. The Super Bowl sells out. I sell my tickets at a markup. I'm not a scalper? By definition I am. If I sell it above retail value I am a scalper. Whether your intention was to go to the Super Bowl or not isn't relevant. It's the act of selling it above retail value that determines if you're a scalper. Of course it's smart to get whatever you can for your goods. No one can deny that. But that doesn't mean you aren't a scalper. Own up to it. MSRP says $19.99 and you sell it for $49.99, you are a scalper regardless of circumstance. It's nonsense. Your not a scalper if it's something you bought for yourself. If you bought 50 super bowl tickets and sold them at a mark up, yes, your a scalper. You can't call someone a scalper for selling some of their collection. It's utter nonsense. I paid $1000 for my 2k14 Warrior if I sell it in 10 years time for $3000 I'm not a scalper, to suggest I am would be totally ridiculous, it's just an immature tag
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 3:55:40 GMT -5
So I buy Super Bowl tickets. The Super Bowl sells out. I sell my tickets at a markup. I'm not a scalper? By definition I am. If I sell it above retail value I am a scalper. Whether your intention was to go to the Super Bowl or not isn't relevant. It's the act of selling it above retail value that determines if you're a scalper. Of course it's smart to get whatever you can for your goods. No one can deny that. But that doesn't mean you aren't a scalper. Own up to it. MSRP says $19.99 and you sell it for $49.99, you are a scalper regardless of circumstance. ...I thought the definition of a scalper was someone who buys up all/a lot of rare or hard-to-find figures at retail, with the intention of selling them on at an inflated price... It is, it's exactly that.
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Post by JoeRocco420 on Oct 1, 2015 7:21:37 GMT -5
Why can't Mattel repaint the DM warrior so it represents Summerslam1991???
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Post by Browser Brody on Oct 1, 2015 8:03:24 GMT -5
I'm going to say this and get heat for it, but I feel like it needs to be said....
I'm a scalper by definition. Would be stupid not to do it if you ask me. It helps pay for my hobby. EVERY time I find a diva that I already have, I buy it and just stash it away for 6-8 months until they are long gone from retail and then use it for trade/sell bait to make more money to buy figures that I don't have. If you can turn a $10 bill into a $20 bill, go for it. That's the name of the game. Don't like it? Then get up earlier and beat me to the store.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 8:13:25 GMT -5
I'm going to say this and get heat for it, but I feel like it needs to be said.... I'm a scalper by definition. Would be stupid not to do it if you ask me. It helps pay for my hobby. EVERY time I find a diva that I already have, I buy it and just stash it away for 6-8 months until they are long gone from retail and then use it for trade/sell bait to make more money to buy figures that I don't have. If you can turn a $10 bill into a $20 bill, go for it. That's the name of the game. Don't like it? Then get up earlier and beat me to the store. To each their own bro
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Oct 1, 2015 8:38:33 GMT -5
In my opinion the DM line is bogus to begin with. $25+ for a single figure that can be found in every store and internet retail? Since its inception with HBK and Macho I can't tell you how many times I saw those figures shelfwarming, including the 8 other figures that followed. To the point where they were clearanced at Target for $8 a piece and what was left cycled in at Big Lots for $12 a piece. I have a feeling all the Razor Ramon, Hulk Hogan, and Stings will find a home...at Big Lots.
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Post by hellojoeivers on Oct 1, 2015 8:47:37 GMT -5
I'm going to say this and get heat for it, but I feel like it needs to be said.... I'm a scalper by definition. Would be stupid not to do it if you ask me. It helps pay for my hobby. EVERY time I find a diva that I already have, I buy it and just stash it away for 6-8 months until they are long gone from retail and then use it for trade/sell bait to make more money to buy figures that I don't have. If you can turn a $10 bill into a $20 bill, go for it. That's the name of the game. Don't like it? Then get up earlier and beat me to the store. No heat from me matey. I don't do it myself, but it's crossed my mind a few times. In the UK, we have Smyths who for the most part get ample quantities of everyone (although granted, some guys go a bit quicker), if you don't care enough to go to the store in the first couple of weeks then don't cry on here when you have to pay secondary market prices... I guess the only thing that stops me from doing it is the thought that there'll be some kid who just wants to play with X superstar and they can't because I got there first
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Post by qdogg on Oct 1, 2015 10:04:56 GMT -5
I think they should of done the HOF Warrior with the short hair from his return. Maybe even released both of them with 2 of each in a case. Anyway this year appears to be a dud for DM. I am excited for Sting and kind of excited for Jericho but would rather not that waste a DM spot unless we are getting both belts which I doubt. Hopefully the 4th DM of next year is going to be something really special. I think it needs to be.
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Post by fzmadness on Oct 1, 2015 10:44:54 GMT -5
I'm going to say this and get heat for it, but I feel like it needs to be said.... I'm a scalper by definition. Would be stupid not to do it if you ask me. It helps pay for my hobby. EVERY time I find a diva that I already have, I buy it and just stash it away for 6-8 months until they are long gone from retail and then use it for trade/sell bait to make more money to buy figures that I don't have. If you can turn a $10 bill into a $20 bill, go for it. That's the name of the game. Don't like it? Then get up earlier and beat me to the store. I agree. I do it on a really small scale. I bought 3 Ajs from amazon sold 1 (for a whopping $3 profit) I feel like it offsets the cost of the ones I keep. It also justifies it to my fiance who gives me crap about spending a fortune on "toys" lol
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