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Post by PJ on Oct 7, 2015 17:07:11 GMT -5
exactly. you want the heel to be dasterdly,but also strong, winning matches by either fair or cheating means. you want that Heel to be hated, and built up, and frustrate the Faces time and again so that when a Face FINALLY breaks through and defeats the Heel, it means something, and is a huge deal. IMO that is what made Flair & Triple H two of the best heel champions ever. You paid money to see them get their comeuppance and somehow/someway they would escape as champion time and time again. But Seth has done the same he still WWE World Heavywight champion at the end of the night. Sure he may not be winning many matches, but Flair and Triple H weren't booked as weasily champions. I still think Seth has been doing a fantastic job in his role. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 7, 2015 17:38:17 GMT -5
Here's how great of a champ Rollins has been.....didnt even notice.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 7, 2015 17:39:24 GMT -5
IMO that is what made Flair & Triple H two of the best heel champions ever. You paid money to see them get their comeuppance and somehow/someway they would escape as champion time and time again. But Seth has done the same he still WWE World Heavywight champion at the end of the night. Sure he may not be winning many matches, but Flair and Triple H weren't booked as weasily champions. I still think Seth has been doing a fantastic job in his role. Oh I do too. Wish he wasn't losing to Cena constantly, but I still have enjoyed his run. I just think the way WWE books their heels nowadays is too family friendly. Most heels try to be the cool heels that half the crowd loves anyhow. I want a rat bastard that is easy to hate. |
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Post by PJ on Oct 7, 2015 17:55:27 GMT -5
But Seth has done the same he still WWE World Heavywight champion at the end of the night. Sure he may not be winning many matches, but Flair and Triple H weren't booked as weasily champions. I still think Seth has been doing a fantastic job in his role. Oh I do too. Wish he wasn't losing to Cena constantly, but I still have enjoyed his run. I just think the way WWE books their heels nowadays is too family friendly. Most heels try to be the cool heels that half the crowd loves anyhow. I want a rat bastard that is easy to hate. Yup. Me to, but like you said everything is so PC now. The world has just gotten to wishy washy. And I think it started with "Just for Fun" T-Ball where nobody makes an out and everyone gets a trophy. WHAT?!  |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Oct 7, 2015 18:39:30 GMT -5
His run as champion has been dreadful. Creatively, they've booked him horribly, but I also have never felt like Seth Rollins is a guy that people would pay to see and could be the face of the company. He's very good in the ring, but a guy like Dean Ambrose is more of a complete package to me, and they've never done anything with him.
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Post by AmericanMadeLesGold on Oct 7, 2015 19:07:31 GMT -5
Very bad booking. The guy is extremely talented, but still waiting for him to get a fair pin victory over someone who's under 50.
Kind of shocking statistic, it's pretty hard to take his title reign seriously, and I don't feel like it's all his fault. The booking has just gotten extremely old.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 19:10:26 GMT -5
Also the majority of WWE's live event audiences likely want faces to celebrate as they leave.
That counts Rollins out.
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Post by Dan on Oct 8, 2015 1:31:23 GMT -5
To be fair, if he was to win Matches cleanly every time then his run would be no different to CM Punk's. It's good to have him as this slimy, chicken heel, yet constantly weasel his way through matches. Fans want to see him get beat (and at house shows it's acceptable). As long as he's keeping the Belt, at the end of the day he's doing a great job.
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Post by Himmy! on Oct 8, 2015 6:18:34 GMT -5
Ric Flair wrote the book on being a heel champ in the 80's. Know when to run, know when to attack, and know when to cheat. Ric Flair was a lot of things in his prime, but he was never afraid of anyone. Sure he cheated, ran away when the time called for it. But he would attack when they least expected it. And he would put on stronger more dominant performances against mid carders. I mean, how hard of a template is that to follow? Agree with this. I'm a Rollins fan and I think this is the template he should be following. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 10, 2015 6:25:46 GMT -5
If he won all his matches clean, he'd be SuperRollins/Rollinswinslol/etc.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 10, 2015 10:02:30 GMT -5
If he won all his matches clean, he'd be SuperRollins/Rollinswinslol/etc. I'm like 99.9% sure the OP wasn't saying that Seth should win all of his matches cleanly. That would just be dumb. |
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Post by Chip on Oct 10, 2015 10:44:44 GMT -5
yeah definitely not....im pretty sure at least 80% of every match in the current WWE doesn't end "clean"....because they are so focused on protecting a certain individual, yet forgetting the fundamentals of wrestling storytelling.
The idea that the WWE Champion LOSES MATCHES ALL THE TIME is an outrage, heel or face. Bad guy champions made to look like weak pathetic babies who can't get it done in the ring are the worst kind. Those are the transitional champions, we like to call them, the guys who just have the belt to get it to another big time good guy.
Rollins has had the belt since Wrestlemania. They clearly like the guy and want him to be the man. But he's been booked like a chump for most of his run, and not in a "good heel" kind of way. The WWE made Edge into a mega-star, mostly because he won the title and actually had a legitimate run with it. They have a chance here with Rollins to have their next Edge. But why am I supposed to care about his match with Kane at the next PPV when he can't even beat mid-carders on RAW, interference or not.
The idea of a WWE champion as a heel should be that he wins no matter what, and the fact he's winning and beating the good guy is supposed to make you WANT to see him get beat for the title....so that when it does happen you have invested energy into the next guy that comes along and you're actually excited for him to win.
Since Rollins just loses all the time, whoever ends up beating him for the title it's gonna be like "well, no surprise there, it was bound to happen anyway" instead of "holy crap_______ finally beat him!"
i'm not saying Rollins should be completely undefeated since winning the belt, but a 10-20% winning percentage is laughably pathetic.
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Post by RybackV1 on Oct 10, 2015 12:54:28 GMT -5
Better than Punks 450+ long reign where he couldn't even main event a PPV.
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Post by Rob on Oct 10, 2015 13:15:21 GMT -5
Better than Punks 450+ long reign where he couldn't even main event a PPV. Was just going to mention this. Atleast Rollins is main eventing Raws/PPVs on a consistent basis.  ing John Cena vs John Laurinaitis main evented a PPV over CM Punk while he was WWE champion. Punk spent 3/4th of his reign in the midcard with the top title. |
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Post by Chip on Oct 10, 2015 16:42:58 GMT -5
Better than Punks 450+ long reign where he couldn't even main event a PPV. HAD to bring that up didn't you |
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Post by dakis on Oct 10, 2015 17:13:17 GMT -5
Better than Punks 450+ long reign where he couldn't even main event a PPV. Was just going to mention this. Atleast Rollins is main eventing Raws/PPVs on a consistent basis. ing John Cena vs John Laurinaitis main evented a PPV over CM Punk while he was WWE champion. Punk spent 3/4th of his reign in the midcard with the top title. Yea but punk was never booked really weak. He was a coward when he had to be but he stepped it up against guys like the Rock and John Cena (who he had an impressive record against.) as long as cenA is there and Vince is running the show things will be like this. I like Rollins. I agree he's being booked like a chump but he plays it well and he's developing a really good character. I think if they had him pulling these shenanigans with the IC title it would have been better. But that's my opinion. Also I agree with the guy above I love a mean Heel that you wanna throw stuff at. (Hollywood hogan in WCW) |
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Oct 10, 2015 17:15:04 GMT -5
yeah definitely not....im pretty sure at least 80% of every match in the current WWE doesn't end "clean"....because they are so focused on protecting a certain individual, yet forgetting the fundamentals of wrestling storytelling. The idea that the WWE Champion LOSES MATCHES ALL THE TIME is an outrage, heel or face. Bad guy champions made to look like weak pathetic babies who can't get it done in the ring are the worst kind. Those are the transitional champions, we like to call them, the guys who just have the belt to get it to another big time good guy. Rollins has had the belt since Wrestlemania. They clearly like the guy and want him to be the man. But he's been booked like a chump for most of his run, and not in a "good heel" kind of way. The WWE made Edge into a mega-star, mostly because he won the title and actually had a legitimate run with it. They have a chance here with Rollins to have their next Edge. But why am I supposed to care about his match with Kane at the next PPV when he can't even beat mid-carders on RAW, interference or not. The idea of a WWE champion as a heel should be that he wins no matter what, and the fact he's winning and beating the good guy is supposed to make you WANT to see him get beat for the title....so that when it does happen you have invested energy into the next guy that comes along and you're actually excited for him to win. Since Rollins just loses all the time, whoever ends up beating him for the title it's gonna be like "well, no surprise there, it was bound to happen anyway" instead of "holy crap _______ finally beat him!" i'm not saying Rollins should be completely undefeated since winning the belt, but a 10-20% winning percentage is laughably pathetic. You make some great points, not sure why this is being misinterpreted as he should win all of the time, that's another extreme. Having a heel champion lose a tv match every so often can be effective, gives the fans a blood in the water sense. Let them at least think a title change is coming. Having a champion lose this much is just fundamentally wrong. Wrestling is lacking a lot of 101 type of sensibilities. In my perfect world, a world champion shouldn't even be wrestling on television much, why would a world champion wrestle a ton of meaningless non title matches logically speaking? I book him in a tag of some kind once a month and leave it to title defenses. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 18:04:18 GMT -5
Give him wins against cena Orton and HHH then he will be back on track
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Post by Negan™ on Oct 10, 2015 19:13:45 GMT -5
Rollins could legit be the best heel in the company but WWE don't seem to realise that cowardly heels have NO credibility. Nobody pays to see a guy who lost clean on Raw fight on a PPV.
He needs CLEAN wins, he needs to be doing dastardly things like Curb Stomping people's heads on chairs, putting them out for months.
Rollins right now just looks like a bitch. Answering to Stephanie and HHH, running away from Kane, etc etc. He should be dark and twisted, not a chickencrapheel. I'm tired of that act. And every heel seems to be the same.
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Post by Edge618 on Oct 13, 2015 2:58:08 GMT -5
I think it's funny that the IWC are turning on him because of how he's booked. That's what they want. They want EVERYONE to hate him.
And everyone can't take his reign seriously?? Great, you shouldn't it's a fake belt on a show about fake wrestling. If your not entertained then fine, but don't act like he's ruining the legacy of the fake title lol.
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