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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 12:02:03 GMT -5
You will have to ignore some people's comments regarding certain wrestlers. For some on here (even though it's a classic board) refuse to watch anything before 1996 and if they do, they feel it was nothing but crap. Yet they thought it was great when Ted Dibiase was revealed as the one who is financing the NWO...Oh gee...WHERE did WCW get THAT idea from? Yeah I know what you are saying. There are ALOT of very young members here and very few over 40 curmudgeons like me around. What's so wrong about young people on a forum about wrestling toys? I'm 16 years old and find most wrestling before 1997 boring. It just isn't interesting to me at all and most of it is subpar, match quality wise. The only wrestling I can really watch before that is the occasional Steve Williams, Stan Hansen or other 80s/90s New Japan matches. It's just boring in my view.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 16, 2015 12:28:09 GMT -5
King Kong Bundy sucked and Wrestlemania 2 is literally bottom of the barrel. Bundy had NO business wrestling Taker at WM 11 and is an absolute embarrassment of a match. Taker won with a clothesline... A clothesline. Yeah... who would win a match with a clothesline....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 12:31:06 GMT -5
King Kong Bundy sucked and Wrestlemania 2 is literally bottom of the barrel. Bundy had NO business wrestling Taker at WM 11 and is an absolute embarrassment of a match. Taker won with a clothesline... A clothesline. Yeah... who would win a match with a clothesline.... Those are finisher clotheslines dude. Not just a move Taker does EVERY match and never wins with. It would be like him winning with "Old School", Bret winning with a Russian Legsweep, Austin winning with mud hole stomps, X-Pac winning with a Bronco Buster or Ric Flair winning with a chop. You're missing my point.
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Post by A-Rob on Oct 16, 2015 12:57:44 GMT -5
It was an odd combination of people but gave The Undertaker people to feud with. Kama melted the "original" urn and made a chain.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 14:50:56 GMT -5
Yet they thought it was great when Ted Dibiase was revealed as the one who is financing the NWO...Oh gee...WHERE did WCW get THAT idea from? Yeah I know what you are saying. There are ALOT of very young members here and very few over 40 curmudgeons like me around. Or you can actually be someone who went back and watched those things. I wouldn't consider Bundy a top talent. Yea, he main evented WrestleMania 2 (a bottom 5 Mania for sure in terms of quality), but he literally only did so because he was a big guy to feed to Hogan. There was never anything special about the guy. Even without looking at that, the Million Dollar Corporation is easily one of the worst stables of all time. They never did anything of note and were pretty much a giant group of losers during their time together. According to your profile you were 4 years old when the above happened. Sorry my young fans. Unless you actually lived through it...your opinion does not mean much to me. It would be like my hating on Elvis just because I was not alive when he was. Oops...I actually was. Nevermind. It is really like Good Will Hunting when Will knows alot of stuff but never experienced any of it. Robin Williams owns him etc. So for a young fan to say anything that happened that he did not personally witness is bad, I dismiss the opinion immediately. The million dollar corporation preceded the NWO. The NWO was a copy of them.
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Post by Colter on Oct 16, 2015 14:55:14 GMT -5
It would be like my hating on Elvis My Elvis senses are tingling
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 16, 2015 14:55:24 GMT -5
Or you can actually be someone who went back and watched those things. I wouldn't consider Bundy a top talent. Yea, he main evented WrestleMania 2 (a bottom 5 Mania for sure in terms of quality), but he literally only did so because he was a big guy to feed to Hogan. There was never anything special about the guy. Even without looking at that, the Million Dollar Corporation is easily one of the worst stables of all time. They never did anything of note and were pretty much a giant group of losers during their time together. According to your profile you were 4 years old when the above happened. Sorry my young fans. Unless you actually lived through it...your opinion does not mean much to me. It would be like my hating on Elvis just because I was not alive when he was. Oops...I actually was. Nevermind. It is really like Good Will Hunting when Will knows alot of stuff but never experienced any of it. Robin Williams owns him etc. So for a young fan to say anything that happened that he did not personally witness is bad, I dismiss the opinion immediately. The million dollar corporation preceded the NWO. The NWO was a copy of them. Just because you're older, doesn't make you right. Regardless of what came first, the Million Dollar Corporation sucked. Ted Dibiase's run in the 80s was grand, but this unit blew major chunks.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 16, 2015 15:29:15 GMT -5
According to your profile you were 4 years old when the above happened. Sorry my young fans. Unless you actually lived through it...your opinion does not mean much to me. It would be like my hating on Elvis just because I was not alive when he was. Oops...I actually was. Nevermind. It is really like Good Will Hunting when Will knows alot of stuff but never experienced any of it. Robin Williams owns him etc. So for a young fan to say anything that happened that he did not personally witness is bad, I dismiss the opinion immediately. The million dollar corporation preceded the NWO. The NWO was a copy of them. Just because you're older, doesn't make you right. Regardless of what came first, the Million Dollar Corporation sucked. Ted Dibiase's run in the 80s was grand, but this unit blew major chunks. You have stated before though that you don't care for the older stuff from the 80s. I know TRW said for you and Bash to do reviews of old NWA wrestling from the 80s that he loved, and you guys attempted it but you even said you didn't like it. As much as you want to disagree all you want, Bundy was a main event guy at one time. From 1985 - 1987 he fought Hulk Hogan many times on house shows, Saturday Night Main Event's and Wrestlemania 2 for the WWE Title. It's okay if you wanna say you didn't like Bundy as a performer, but you can't say he wasn't a main event guy. Because if you go to thehistoryofwwe .com you can see each year and see that Bundy was in the main event many times over those years.
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Post by T R W on Oct 16, 2015 15:30:22 GMT -5
I think there is a little validity to saying that experiencing something as it was happening makes it different than viewing it from a historical perspective does. But at the same time, that doesn't mean someone who goes back and watches old footage can't appreciate, or dislike something and have their opinion not mean anything either.
I was there for Bundy, WM2, and the Million Dollar Corporation.
Bundy was a solid heel, and a fine foil for Hogan at W2, but he wasn't great or anything. And him being in a match with Undertaker at WMXI was a complete joke and he was a shell of himself. He was a major player for a few years at least though.
Also, the million Dollar Corporation was an interesting idea with terrible execution and for the most part, sucked hard.
I'm not a fan of dismissing someone's opinion of something just because they aren't old enough to have experienced it first hand. Also, things evolve, and while I still think the 80's NWA is by far the greatest era of wrestling, I could understand why many others might find it boring, especially those who grew up on the more fast paced, 90's style of wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 16:27:29 GMT -5
My thoughts on King Kong Bundy:
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Post by T R W on Oct 16, 2015 16:34:25 GMT -5
My thoughts on King Kong Bundy:
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 16, 2015 16:36:08 GMT -5
Just because you're older, doesn't make you right. Regardless of what came first, the Million Dollar Corporation sucked. Ted Dibiase's run in the 80s was grand, but this unit blew major chunks. You have stated before though that you don't care for the older stuff from the 80s. I know TRW said for you and Bash to do reviews of old NWA wrestling from the 80s that he loved, and you guys attempted it but you even said you didn't like it. As much as you want to disagree all you want, Bundy was a main event guy at one time. From 1985 - 1987 he fought Hulk Hogan many times on house shows, Saturday Night Main Event's and Wrestlemania 2 for the WWE Title. It's okay if you wanna say you didn't like Bundy as a performer, but you can't say he wasn't a main event guy. Because if you go to thehistoryofwwe .com you can see each year and see that Bundy was in the main event many times over those years. There are definitely some things from the 80's that I like, I just didn't like Starrcade 1987. You are right, Bundy was a main eventer. I was saying that he was purely in that position because he was a big guy. He was of the "I'm only featured because I'm big" mold. In timeframes other than the 80's, he probably wouldn't be anywhere near as high on the card. Regardless of all of this, the fact still stands that the Corporation was a pretty terrible stable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 17:07:18 GMT -5
Or you can actually be someone who went back and watched those things. I wouldn't consider Bundy a top talent. Yea, he main evented WrestleMania 2 (a bottom 5 Mania for sure in terms of quality), but he literally only did so because he was a big guy to feed to Hogan. There was never anything special about the guy. Even without looking at that, the Million Dollar Corporation is easily one of the worst stables of all time. They never did anything of note and were pretty much a giant group of losers during their time together. According to your profile you were 4 years old when the above happened. Sorry my young fans. Unless you actually lived through it...your opinion does not mean much to me. It would be like my hating on Elvis just because I was not alive when he was. Oops...I actually was. Nevermind. It is really like Good Will Hunting when Will knows alot of stuff but never experienced any of it. Robin Williams owns him etc. So for a young fan to say anything that happened that he did not personally witness is bad, I dismiss the opinion immediately. The million dollar corporation preceded the NWO. The NWO was a copy of them. That would be like saying that Evolution was a copy of DX because one happened before the other and Triple H was involved in both. That's a really backwards opinion to have. So, because somebody isn't in their forties and lived through it, they aren't entitled to an opinion? So I guess going back and watching something now doesn't count. You are still seeing it with your own eyes and are still allowed to form your own opinion on whether or not something sucks, and, bottom line is, the Million Dollar Corporation SUCKED.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 16, 2015 17:09:55 GMT -5
You have stated before though that you don't care for the older stuff from the 80s. I know TRW said for you and Bash to do reviews of old NWA wrestling from the 80s that he loved, and you guys attempted it but you even said you didn't like it. As much as you want to disagree all you want, Bundy was a main event guy at one time. From 1985 - 1987 he fought Hulk Hogan many times on house shows, Saturday Night Main Event's and Wrestlemania 2 for the WWE Title. It's okay if you wanna say you didn't like Bundy as a performer, but you can't say he wasn't a main event guy. Because if you go to thehistoryofwwe .com you can see each year and see that Bundy was in the main event many times over those years. There are definitely some things from the 80's that I like, I just didn't like Starrcade 1987. You are right, Bundy was a main eventer. I was saying that he was purely in that position because he was a big guy. He was of the "I'm only featured because I'm big" mold. In timeframes other than the 80's, he probably wouldn't be anywhere near as high on the card. Regardless of all of this, the fact still stands that the Corporation was a pretty terrible stable. No, you are right, it was terrible, I even said that in my initial topic of this thread. But it shouldn't have been terrible. In 1994, guys like Tatanka, IRS, and Bam Bam Bigelow were seen as big time players in the WWE. The fact that none of those men had any gold for the Corporation during the run of that stable is a bit weird to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 17:20:58 GMT -5
Just because you're older, doesn't make you right. Regardless of what came first, the Million Dollar Corporation sucked. Ted Dibiase's run in the 80s was grand, but this unit blew major chunks. You have stated before though that you don't care for the older stuff from the 80s. I know TRW said for you and Bash to do reviews of old NWA wrestling from the 80s that he loved, and you guys attempted it but you even said you didn't like it. As much as you want to disagree all you want, Bundy was a main event guy at one time. From 1985 - 1987 he fought Hulk Hogan many times on house shows, Saturday Night Main Event's and Wrestlemania 2 for the WWE Title. It's okay if you wanna say you didn't like Bundy as a performer, but you can't say he wasn't a main event guy. Because if you go to thehistoryofwwe .com you can see each year and see that Bundy was in the main event many times over those years. So because we didn't like one show from the 80s that means we automatically don't like or can't appreciate any of it? I confused.
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Post by Colter on Oct 16, 2015 17:24:15 GMT -5
According to your profile you were 4 years old when the above happened. Sorry my young fans. Unless you actually lived through it...your opinion does not mean much to me. It would be like my hating on Elvis just because I was not alive when he was. Oops...I actually was. Nevermind. It is really like Good Will Hunting when Will knows alot of stuff but never experienced any of it. Robin Williams owns him etc. So for a young fan to say anything that happened that he did not personally witness is bad, I dismiss the opinion immediately. The million dollar corporation preceded the NWO. The NWO was a copy of them. That would be like saying that Evolution was a copy of DX because one happened before the other and Triple H was involved in both. That's a really backwards opinion to have. So, because somebody isn't in their forties and lived through it, they aren't entitled to an opinion? So I guess going back and watching something now doesn't count. You are still seeing it with your own eyes and are still allowed to form your own opinion on whether or not something sucks, and, bottom line is, the Million Dollar Corporation SUCKED. Spice, since you're the same age as me I have a question. I haven't watched much of any Million Dollar Corporation segments/matches, etc, really not enough to form an opinion on. How much of their stuff have you watched?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 16, 2015 17:33:01 GMT -5
There are definitely some things from the 80's that I like, I just didn't like Starrcade 1987. You are right, Bundy was a main eventer. I was saying that he was purely in that position because he was a big guy. He was of the "I'm only featured because I'm big" mold. In timeframes other than the 80's, he probably wouldn't be anywhere near as high on the card. Regardless of all of this, the fact still stands that the Corporation was a pretty terrible stable. No, you are right, it was terrible, I even said that in my initial topic of this thread. But it shouldn't have been terrible. In 1994, guys like Tatanka, IRS, and Bam Bam Bigelow were seen as big time players in the WWE. The fact that none of those men had any gold for the Corporation during the run of that stable is a bit weird to me. I'll admit that it was odd that Bigelow, Sid or 1-2-3 Kid didn't hold any gold. Tatanka was a bit of a big player, but never enough to win gold and especially during his dreadful heel turn. IRS was past his usefulness by that point. He had been cutting the same "you are all tax cheats" promo for years and every match he's had was dull. It was a good concept though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 18:09:22 GMT -5
That would be like saying that Evolution was a copy of DX because one happened before the other and Triple H was involved in both. That's a really backwards opinion to have. So, because somebody isn't in their forties and lived through it, they aren't entitled to an opinion? So I guess going back and watching something now doesn't count. You are still seeing it with your own eyes and are still allowed to form your own opinion on whether or not something sucks, and, bottom line is, the Million Dollar Corporation SUCKED. Spice, since you're the same age as me I have a question. I haven't watched much of any Million Dollar Corporation segments/matches, etc, really not enough to form an opinion on. How much of their stuff have you watched? Their early formation in 94, some stuff from 95 and Austin's days in the group in 96. Not a lot, but still. It's quite obvious from even a small amount of watching that it failed miserably.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Oct 17, 2015 8:38:51 GMT -5
Lots of different things contributed to the M$C being lackluster.
It began as a way to keep DiBiase relevant since he was an amazing talker/character still under contract, but no longer able to wrestle. Which is fine, but there was never a strong storyline for these guys joining him other than "rich guy is rich."
Volkoff's storyline didn't make sense because even though a broke, desperate guy seeking money is plausible, there was no incentive on DiBiase's side to keep an aging now-jobber around other than humiliation. Which makes Volkolff almost an awkward babyface, in that fans feel sorry for him and would feel bad about booing him, but aren't going to cheer him either. Also just doesnt make sense that DiBiase would hire a broken-down, destitute wrestler and then put him in matches on behalf of the faction, and expect him to win. Humiliation is a believable goal for DiBiase's character but then expecting that guy to represent the group well is just stupid.
Some of the other guys -- Tatanka, Sid -- would have almost been better off as heels on ther own, with no faction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 18:53:07 GMT -5
Lol, are we arguing about those "whippersnappers" now?
I watch older wrestling all the time. Sting is one of my all time favorite wrestlers, and I've seen plenty of early WCW.
Age doesn't have anything to do with quality wrestling.
And did someone seriously put forward that the nWo was a copy of the Million Dollar Corporation?
Lol.
The nWo was a copy of a storyline that NJPW did. Only thing is, Bischoff forgot that the invaders have to eventually lose.
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