|
Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 23, 2015 10:24:20 GMT -5
Agreed. However, what people were responding to you with when you said that, was that this early into Roman's run, the 50/50 crowd is not good. That makes it different than Cena's situation. It came off seeming like you didn't care to hear that, which is why some may have said it sounded ignorant. I wasnt trying to sound ignorant however at the same time I don't need anyone telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when it's a matter of opinion vs opinion because that's more ignorant. You're right about opinion vs. opinion. The thing is, this wasn't opinion vs. opinion discussion. It's fact that Cena was and is more over than Roman Reigns, especially when put up against Cena's first few years. That's why you were told to rewatch something, so you can see the difference.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 10:37:23 GMT -5
I wasnt trying to sound ignorant however at the same time I don't need anyone telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when it's a matter of opinion vs opinion because that's more ignorant. You're right about opinion vs. opinion. The thing is, this wasn't opinion vs. opinion discussion. It's fact that Cena was and is more over than Roman Reigns, especially when put up against Cena's first few years. That's why you were told to rewatch something, so you can see the difference. Of course cena is more over than reigns there's no denying that.All I was trying to say is that Roman gets a mixed reaction like cena does that's it.But people are gonna keep telling me I don't get it when I do understand.
|
|
|
Post by Joey Cush on Nov 23, 2015 11:00:42 GMT -5
A mixed reaction is not a good thing for the future GUY of the WWE, thats what you are missing. Hence thats why Rollins is going to blow past Reigns in popularity when he comes back.
|
|
|
Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 23, 2015 11:10:34 GMT -5
You're right about opinion vs. opinion. The thing is, this wasn't opinion vs. opinion discussion. It's fact that Cena was and is more over than Roman Reigns, especially when put up against Cena's first few years. That's why you were told to rewatch something, so you can see the difference. Of course cena is more over than reigns there's no denying that.All I was trying to say is that Roman gets a mixed reaction like cena does that's it.But people are gonna keep telling me I don't get it when I do understand. People keep telling you that because it doesn't seem like you are getting any of it. But you're gonna keep telling us that you do. Maybe something is lost in translation. Meh.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 11:13:00 GMT -5
Well, Cena is the top guy and he's basically been getting 50/50 reactions since 4 months after WrestleMania 21.
Roman will be fine once fans get over their blind hatred for him and transfer their sour feelings onto someone else.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 11:19:53 GMT -5
Of course cena is more over than reigns there's no denying that.All I was trying to say is that Roman gets a mixed reaction like cena does that's it.But people are gonna keep telling me I don't get it when I do understand. People keep telling you that because it doesn't seem like you are getting any of it. But you're gonna keep telling us that you do. Maybe something is lost in translation. Meh. I understand what you and everyone else is saying a mixed isn't good just like what Joey Cush said.I wasn't trying to discuss there careers I was talking about there specific reactions which to me is similar because a 2015 cena NOT 2005 he gets a mixed reaction some people like him and some Dont.Just like Roman some people like him and some Dont.That's all I'm trying to say and I feel like you guys don't understand where I'm coming from.I get it a mixed reaction is not a good thing it never is.And it's not good that Roman gets it so early in his career because he was over during his shield days.I'm just saying that a 2015 cena and roman get a mixed reaction that's it.
|
|
Terp City
Superstar
Joined on: Mar 19, 2014 6:17:27 GMT -5
Posts: 612
|
Post by Terp City on Nov 23, 2015 11:23:35 GMT -5
If they are gonna go the DB underdog route, it shoulda been with Dean.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 11:25:06 GMT -5
People keep telling you that because it doesn't seem like you are getting any of it. But you're gonna keep telling us that you do. Maybe something is lost in translation. Meh. I understand what you and everyone else is saying a mixed isn't good just like what Joey Cush said.I wasn't trying to discuss there careers I was talking about there specific reactions which to me is similar because a 2015 cena NOT 2005 he gets a mixed reaction some people like him and some Dont.Just like Roman some people like him and some Dont.That's all I'm trying to say and I feel like you guys don't understand where I'm coming from.I get it a mixed reaction is not a good thing it never is.And it's not good that Roman gets it so early in his career because he was over during his shield days.I'm just saying that a 2015 cena and roman get a mixed reaction that's it. So, you made a simple comparison about the two in 2015 and the Internet is telling you that you need to rewatch because you're showing ignorance? Yep. Makes sense.
|
|
|
Post by J12 on Nov 23, 2015 11:46:37 GMT -5
Woke up just as shocked and dumbfounded as I was last night.
This one is almost as tone deaf and unbelievable as Royal Rumble 2014, but I don't see a happy ending anywhere in sight.
|
|
|
Post by tiny04 on Nov 23, 2015 11:49:07 GMT -5
Look on the bright side, there's a good chance we'll get to see Sheamus vs Lesnar at the Royal Rumble.
|
|
|
Post by J12 on Nov 23, 2015 11:52:57 GMT -5
Look on the bright side, there's a good chance we'll get to see Sheamus vs Lesnar at the Royal Rumble. There's really nothing bright about that to me, unless Lesnar just plows through him in five minutes. Sheamus hasn't been booked as a serious contender in months. Putting the title on him doesn't suddenly make him a legitimate threat. He just got beat down by a Lucha Dragon, an Uso, and Ryback less than 24 hours ago. He looks like an idiot. He gets treated like an idiot. The crowd isn't even remotely interested in him. He's not a legitimate opponent for Brock, he's a glorified network special squash match.
|
|
|
Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 23, 2015 12:49:10 GMT -5
Look on the bright side, there's a good chance we'll get to see Sheamus vs Lesnar at the Royal Rumble. There's really nothing bright about that to me, unless Lesnar just plows through him in five minutes. Sheamus hasn't been booked as a serious contender in months. Putting the title on him doesn't suddenly make him a legitimate threat. He just got beat down by a Lucha Dragon, an Uso, and Ryback less than 24 hours ago. He looks like an idiot. He gets treated like an idiot. The crowd isn't even remotely interested in him. He's not a legitimate opponent for Brock, he's a glorified network special squash match. This goes back to the WWE booking. The only guys that have been booked better than 50/50 are Cena, Orton and Reigns. Other than that, nobody should face Lesnar in that case. In this situation, I feel like it is similar to a guy like Ryback. He got jobbed out in a tag team for months, then randomly turned face and the fans bought him as a threat again. I think the WWE thinks they can just do that with people now.
|
|
|
Post by J12 on Nov 23, 2015 12:54:14 GMT -5
There's really nothing bright about that to me, unless Lesnar just plows through him in five minutes. Sheamus hasn't been booked as a serious contender in months. Putting the title on him doesn't suddenly make him a legitimate threat. He just got beat down by a Lucha Dragon, an Uso, and Ryback less than 24 hours ago. He looks like an idiot. He gets treated like an idiot. The crowd isn't even remotely interested in him. He's not a legitimate opponent for Brock, he's a glorified network special squash match. This goes back to the WWE booking. The only guys that have been booked better than 50/50 are Cena, Orton and Reigns. Other than that, nobody should face Lesnar in that case. In this situation, I feel like it is similar to a guy like Ryback. He got jobbed out in a tag team for months, then randomly turned face and the fans bought him as a threat again. I think the WWE thinks they can just do that with people now. It's all about booking, for sure. WWE has been conditioning its audience to believe wins and losses matter for years, while subtly suggesting the exact opposite with the way that they book their product. You can lose in the first round of the tournament, lose earlier in the night to a bunch of lower-mid card guys, and leave the show WWE Champion, because "anything can happen!"
|
|
|
Post by T R W on Nov 23, 2015 12:58:07 GMT -5
They at least could have booked Sheamus strongly in the Survivor Series match an hour before, but they didn't even bother to do that.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 13:14:27 GMT -5
They at least could have booked Sheamus strongly in the Survivor Series match an hour before, but they didn't even bother to do that. I guess it was to make his win "unexpected".
|
|
Quazimoto
Superstar
Joined on: Feb 4, 2014 12:37:37 GMT -5
Posts: 997
|
Post by Quazimoto on Nov 23, 2015 13:38:02 GMT -5
Just finished Survivor Series...
- Nice to see Goldust back. That's about all I can say for the pre-show match. WWE didn't care much about announcing it or putting any real effort into booking it, so why should the fans.
- Del Rio vs Reigns was actually pretty decent. It's too bad Del Rio doesn't connect with the fans, because he's one hell of a worker. I don't think the whole MexAmerica thing works for him. To me, Del Rio should be a Million Dollar Man type character... "I'm better than you because I'm richer than you" and such. Still, he managed to work with Reigns limited ability and put on a pretty decent match.
- Owens vs Ambrose was darned good IMO. Owens continues to prove that he's in a class very few are able to enter talent-wise (Dean Ambrose is almost there, but needs a little extra something) and he and Ambrose worked really well together. Best match of the night.
- Paige vs Charlotte. I really hope this feud is over and Paige disappears from the scene for a while. She just doesn't care anymore and it shows. Paige is certainly capable of putting on a good show and proved as much in NXT. It's been all down hill since she came to the main roster. To me, she seems like an entitled b***h who decides it's not worth the effort if she not the focus of the divas division. She just gotten so sloppy. The match itself wasn't terrible really. It was nice to see some hard hitting spots in a Diva's match, but the bout as a whole felt very blah for a feud that was supposedly so personal.
- 5 On 5 Survivor Series Elimination Match. As thrown together as thrown together matches get. New Day was once again the highlight of their match. Overall, just kinda seemed like the only purpose of this whole thing was to actually have a Traditional Survivor Series Elimination Match on the card and make fans think Sheamus wasn't going to cash in later on (which I think most people knew he was going to). And speaking of which... Would it kill WWE to let a Money In The Bank briefcase holder actually look like a threat leading up to their cash in? More on that later.
- Ziggler vs Breeze. Not bad by any means, but will be easily forgotten in a day or two. It did it's job though. Gave a hot new superstar a big win over an already established talent. I really like Breeze and see a lot of early HBK in him. Future's bright for "Prince Pretty".
- Wyatts vs Brother Of Destruction. Less of a match than it was a segment celebrating 25 Years of The Undertaker. I don't care how many times I see it or how old the Deadman seems sometimes. I still get a little chill in me hearing his music hit and watch him slowly stalk down the isle. Will be a sad, sad day when he's gone for good.
- Reigns vs Ambrose. I'm sorry. This was just bad. For a match that was supposedly so important, they gave it surprisingly little time to develop. You actually had a good story within it with two friends and former SHEILD members fighting each other for what is supposed to be the biggest prize in the entire industry. And yet, it felt... empty. Maybe it's because everyone and their Brother could see that Reigns was going to win. Maybe it's because WWE has spent the past several weeks making sure that their announcers fawn all over Roman Reigns like he's some sort of golden god. Maybe it's because they're trying way to hard to manufacture a superstar despite a long and proven history of allowing the best superstars t emerge organically. Or maybe Reigns and Ambrose just don't have much chemistry as opponents. For whatever reason, the match didn't work very well and was incredibly anti-climactic.
- Sheamus Cash-In... Let me just say, I like Sheamus a lot. He's only a little bit of proper guidance and decent booking away from being a full-fledge mainstay in the main event scene. Really wasn't that long ago that he was far and away the next big thing in WWE. Unfortunately, his momentum got derailed a bit for a while, especially when the titles were merged together as one. He came back from injury strong and had a really neat little gimmick going with wanting to rid the wrestling world of small guys. And then... He just kinda got forgotten about and shuffled in with the rest of mid-carders. WWE plotting Sheamus into the same tired formula of MITB winners being nothing special until cash in time did him no favors. All that said, I do think that while Sheamus cashing in on a newly crowned champion Reigns was the right move, even if it was painfully predictable. I think they did it in the wrong way, but it was the right move to make. Still, I really hope WWE isn't just rehashing the whole Daniel Bryan saga from a coupe years ago in hopes that it will finally get Roman Reigns over by trying to get fans to feel sorry for him. That would be a mistake and I pray WWE has a different direction to go, because it sure seemed like a rehashing the way things went down last night. And so long as WWE doesn't decide to make Sheamus "Cowardly Heel Champion NO. 673", he could be the best choice (not named Kevin Owens, though Del Rio would have worked really well too if he wasn't currently paired with Zeb Colter) as the Authority's chosen one. And as I said, he's only a little bit of effort away from making fans completely forget about a couple blah years for him.
Overall, I thought Survivor Series, while not a bad show and certainly not the worst one of 2015 (I'm looking at you Fast Lane), really wasn't very good either. Largely forgettable and awfully predictable, but a decent way for a wrestling fan to spend a few hours. All in all, it was a little better than your typical RAW show, so about a 5.5/10
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 14:18:26 GMT -5
I get it, WWE
|
|
|
Post by SodaGuy on Nov 23, 2015 15:19:00 GMT -5
Since I was watching my bruh Kyle Busch win the NASCAR championship last night can someone (this means you The Kevstaaa ) tell me if the show/parts of the show is/isn't worth watching.
|
|
|
Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 23, 2015 15:23:29 GMT -5
Since I was watching my bruh Kyle Busch win the NASCAR championship last night can someone (this means you The Kevstaaa ) tell me if the show/parts of the show is/isn't worth watching. The tournament matches are all pretty good, though the finals are SUPER anti-climactic. New Day was fun. Undertaker's entrance was cool. Goldust's Kickoff return. That's it.
|
|
|
Post by SodaGuy on Nov 23, 2015 15:41:41 GMT -5
Since I was watching my bruh Kyle Busch win the NASCAR championship last night can someone (this means you The Kevstaaa ) tell me if the show/parts of the show is/isn't worth watching. The tournament matches are all pretty good, though the finals are SUPER anti-climactic. New Day was fun. Undertaker's entrance was cool. Goldust's Kickoff return. That's it. Well then. LOL. Thanks bruh.
|
|