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Post by LA Times on Nov 15, 2015 0:11:31 GMT -5
I'm really happy with the Phillies' trade for Hellickson. Perfect low-risk move. At worst, he can be a solid innings-eater for us. At best, he could get back to his '11-'12 form, and be a nice candidate to flip at the deadline. I'd also be stoked if they actually did end up working out a deal with Miami for Ozuna, providing the price the isn't steep. So far, so good with the new regime. Phillies Man, am I the only one who doesn't get all the hate on Ryan Howard? I know he isn't worth the $25 million/yr he is getting, but if he is healthy, he can still provide 23-30 HRs and 80-90 RBIs. If anything, Joe Mauer's contract and performance is doing more to cripple his team than Ryan Howard's.
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Post by IRS on Nov 15, 2015 0:18:59 GMT -5
I'm really happy with the Phillies' trade for Hellickson. Perfect low-risk move. At worst, he can be a solid innings-eater for us. At best, he could get back to his '11-'12 form, and be a nice candidate to flip at the deadline. I'd also be stoked if they actually did end up working out a deal with Miami for Ozuna, providing the price the isn't steep. So far, so good with the new regime. Phillies Man, am I the only one who doesn't get all the hate on Ryan Howard? I know he isn't worth the $25 million/yr he is getting, but if he is healthy, he can still provide 23-30 HRs and 80-90 RBIs. People hate the contract more than Howard. And honestly, for as much stupidity as Amaro committed as GM, that contract was NOT terrible at the time. In '09/'10, Howard was still one of the top-hitting 1st Basemen in baseball - nobody could predict the achilles blowout happening. If he hit FA, he probably would've gotten twice as much. I don't hate Howard, but it is time to move on from him, so the future can finally start rolling in.
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Post by LA Times on Nov 15, 2015 9:06:33 GMT -5
Phillies Man, am I the only one who doesn't get all the hate on Ryan Howard? I know he isn't worth the $25 million/yr he is getting, but if he is healthy, he can still provide 23-30 HRs and 80-90 RBIs. People hate the contract more than Howard. And honestly, for as much stupidity as Amaro committed as GM, that contract was NOT terrible at the time. In '09/'10, Howard was still one of the top-hitting 1st Basemen in baseball - nobody could predict the achilles blowout happening. If he hit FA, he probably would've gotten twice as much.I don't hate Howard, but it is time to move on from him, so the future can finally start rolling in. Im not sure about that. Many teams were set at 1B and those that weren't couldn't afford to pay him $25 million/yr. Phillies would've been bidding against themselves. He only has one more year on the books, but maybe the St Louis Cardinals would take him in a trade if the Phillies paid most of his salary.
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Post by Matt on Nov 15, 2015 10:41:41 GMT -5
So, are the Phillies officially ruled out of playoff contention....?
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Post by IRS on Nov 15, 2015 12:26:22 GMT -5
So, are the Phillies officially ruled out of playoff contention....? Yep. BUT if Williams, Alfaro, Crawford, Knapp, and Thompson all work out... it might not be too long of a wait. Call me crazy, but I would atleast take a look at Heyward. He's still only 26, so even if the rebuild takes another 3-4 years, he would still be in his prime.
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Post by IRS on Nov 15, 2015 12:32:17 GMT -5
People hate the contract more than Howard. And honestly, for as much stupidity as Amaro committed as GM, that contract was NOT terrible at the time. In '09/'10, Howard was still one of the top-hitting 1st Basemen in baseball - nobody could predict the achilles blowout happening. If he hit FA, he probably would've gotten twice as much.I don't hate Howard, but it is time to move on from him, so the future can finally start rolling in. Im not sure about that. Many teams were set at 1B and those that weren't couldn't afford to pay him $25 million/yr. Phillies would've been bidding against themselves. He only has one more year on the books, but maybe the St Louis Cardinals would take him in a trade if the Phillies paid most of his salary. There are still teams that would've looked for him as a DH, too. He may not have gotten double what the extension is worth, but I don't doubt that he would've gotten a huge chunk from somewhere - mainly because that period is when contracts started to really go off the deep-end. You never know when a team is going to try to make a big splash and snatch the best guy in FA. Of course, that doesn't mean the Phillies aren't willing to bid against themselves. A certain closer comes to mind...
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Post by ICW on Nov 16, 2015 7:36:35 GMT -5
Kimbrels awesome but thats a ton for a closer. Top 50 prospect, top 100 guy (maybe) and 2 others for a 70 inning pitcher? eh? I'm not crazy about this trade from the Sox's perspective. Seems like those prospects could've gotten them much more than Kimbrel; I'm surprised Tyson Ross wasn't in the deal.
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Post by Mark Martin on Nov 17, 2015 13:27:15 GMT -5
Next year is Big Papi's last year I guess. I've always enjoyed watching him and certainly won't forget Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS.
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Post by ICW on Nov 18, 2015 15:54:58 GMT -5
@jaysonst Had one exec tell me this week he thinks Yankees "will move" Miller--for a big, Kimbrel-like package built around big-league ready starters
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Post by LA Times on Nov 18, 2015 18:33:25 GMT -5
Next year is Big Papi's last year I guess. I've always enjoyed watching him and certainly won't forget Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS. That sucks. He can still give the Red Sox .270/30 HRs/90 RBIs which is more than what his future replacements at DH/1B, Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval, could give in one season of their team-crippling contracts. I don't know if Ortiz will be in the HOF or not, but his #34 should be getting retired at Fenway.
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Post by Mark Martin on Nov 18, 2015 18:55:51 GMT -5
Next year is Big Papi's last year I guess. I've always enjoyed watching him and certainly won't forget Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS. That sucks. He can still give the Red Sox .270/30 HRs/90 RBIs which is more than what his future replacements at DH/1B, Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval, could give in one season of their team-crippling contracts. I don't know if Ortiz will be in the HOF or not, but his #34 should be getting retired at Fenway. I doubt he'll be a first ballot HOFer which seems to be reserved for the all-time greats, but he's such a likeable guy and right up there with Yaz and Williams as far as all-time faces of the franchise so I see him getting in eventually.
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Post by 6 seasons and a movie on Nov 18, 2015 19:05:26 GMT -5
It maybe hard for Ortiz to make HOF with the PED rumors and the fact he was really only a DH for the better part of his career.
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 18, 2015 19:10:52 GMT -5
Arrietta gets the NL Cy Young. Well deserved.
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Post by ICW on Nov 20, 2015 9:25:53 GMT -5
Quick hits or #HOTTAKES as they're called on Twitter:
-David Ortiz will make the Hall of Fame because he was one of the best hitters in his era. But, it's extremely laughable he gets a pass on the P.E.D's issue. He essentially said the report wasn't true, no one really challenged him, and that's that. He's well liked, unlike A-Rod/Bonds/Clemens and the writers will look the other way.
-That said, it's a damn shame that Ortiz will make it but Edgar Martinez STILL hasn't. Martinez is the greatest DH of all-time.
-Also, sucks that Ortiz will get in but guys like Piazza and Bagwell are being punished because writers SUSPECT they took steroids.
-I am for the Yankees trading Brett Gardner. He's hitting his decline years. If it nets them a solid, young starting pitcher...they HAVE to move him.
-I am also in favor of the Yanks trading Andrew Miller for an absurd package. Anything less? Nope, keep him. Hell, trade for Adrolis Chapman and have a three-headed monster the likes of which has never been seen before.
-Bryce Harper will look mighty handsome in pinstripes in a few seasons.
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Post by The Gangsta on Nov 21, 2015 14:00:14 GMT -5
Bryce Harper in pinstripes? Sign me up, haha.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 21, 2015 16:56:19 GMT -5
If the Nationals can stop screwing up for once Harper will never leave, but Rizzo is an idiot.
Harper will hit 400$ mill I think, cant imagine any team sitting that out.
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Post by ICW on Nov 23, 2015 9:10:10 GMT -5
If the Nationals can stop screwing up for once Harper will never leave, but Rizzo is an idiot. Harper will hit 400$ mill I think, cant imagine any team sitting that out. I get the impression he'll walk. He's publicly stated one of his dreams is to play for the Yankees, his relationship with the Nationals has been rocky, and Boras knows he'll make more on the open market. Remember, by the time Harper is a free agent (2019), the Yankees will have rid themselves of Brian McCann (FA in 2019), Mark Teixeira (FA in 2017), Chase Headley (FA 2019), Brett Gardner (FA 2019), Carlos Beltran (FA 2017), Alex Rodriguez (FA 2018), & CC Sabathia (FA 2018) - assuming none are traded before hand. That's a significant, significant chunk of payroll coming off the books. Plus, the Yankees are most likely replacing the majority of those players with cheap, homegrown talent. McCann --> Gary Sanchez; Teixeira --> Greg Bird; Headley --> Eric Jaigelo (?); Gardner --> Aaron Hicks (?); Beltran --> Aaron Judge I know the Yankees are desperate to lower payroll so they can get under that $189M threshold...but it's mighty convenient all that money is off the books when Harper is expected to hit free agency.
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Post by dodgerman on Nov 23, 2015 20:14:14 GMT -5
Dodgers finally got a manager.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Nov 24, 2015 15:35:25 GMT -5
If the Yankees trade Andrew Miller, I'm done with this team. George would roll over in his grave if he knew that his sons were trading away the closer just to "free up payroll".
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Post by The Gangsta on Nov 24, 2015 17:26:51 GMT -5
If the Yankees trade Andrew Miller, I'm done with this team. George would roll over in his grave if he knew that his sons were trading away the closer just to "free up payroll". In times like this, I really wish George was around.
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