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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 17, 2015 8:47:23 GMT -5
but we are talking about it for all the WRONG reasons we aren't talking about it cause it was so great and such good story telling And no I don't want to see her get revenge waiting till 6 days before the ppv to TRY and get people to care just doesn't cut it Without reid and without being the main event it would have been an ok segment AT BEST but for the main event of a go home raw before a big 4 ppv it was the sh*ts IMO there was weeks of build up to it it wasn't just a last minute thing.From kayfabe point of view they want you to hate paige and after last night I think they did just that.Because the crowd Was booing her after the fight.I mean I understand it was a low down dirty move to do but look at us right now 4 pages of us talking about it instead of talking about Roman vs Del or taker vs wyatts so in some way they got the job done. Let's just be done talking about it. If you honestly think that the segment was good for women's wrestling going forward, then fine. The people who disagree won't change your mind and you aren't changing ours either. It's not a segment that is worth four pages.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 17, 2015 9:20:55 GMT -5
Thought Paige was fantastic. No issue with WWE pulling a WWE. Marks are fired up. People who didn't care about that match now care. No issue at all with any of it.
Those of you expecting some kind of swerve in the title tournament must be facing some hard reality this morning. I've never seen such a watered down, formulaic, road to the top. I'm still not convinced WWE is turning anyone heel either. I think we probably get Owens vs Reigns, and HHH uses Sheamus as the ace up his sleeve, except that won't work either. If we get Ambrose vs Reigns then I think we should expect the heel turn but I'm not counting on it.
Taker and Kane vs The Wyatts is horrible.
I enjoyed Owens vs Neville and Ziggler vs Ambrose, and New Day Rocks! Pretty forgettable episode of Raw outside of the ending though.
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Post by BCizzle on Nov 17, 2015 11:47:59 GMT -5
This place is full of lady haters. No surprise. It's just booty.
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Post by #DI-WHY? on Nov 17, 2015 12:46:02 GMT -5
This place is full of lady haters. No surprise. It's just booty. No.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 12:52:25 GMT -5
Contract signing was good, but shouldn't have been the main event. Neville/Owens, Ambrose/Ziggler & Roman/Cesaro were really entertaining. Kalisto really should've won but whatever. Overall though, I'm actually interested in Survivor Series (big whoop, wanna fight about it?).
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Post by Escape The Rules on Nov 17, 2015 13:42:30 GMT -5
Some people find things tasteless. Others don't. More news at 10.
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Post by spookytuesday on Nov 17, 2015 13:44:36 GMT -5
Surely I couldn't have been the only one to see the copyright graphic come up at the end of the contract signing segment and think 'Oh, there's still another hour left?'. I can't believe they closed the go home Raw before Survivor Series, where the vacant World Title will be won, with that malarkey.
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Post by E N I G M A on Nov 17, 2015 15:16:35 GMT -5
I have no problem with a Raw ending with a Divas Segment, but the one before SurvivorSeries? Where their VACANT MAJOR Championship is fought out? ...not sure about that
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Post by The IT Factor on Nov 17, 2015 15:28:01 GMT -5
Thought Paige was fantastic. No issue with WWE pulling a WWE. Marks are fired up. People who didn't care about that match now care. No issue at all with any of it. Those of you expecting some kind of swerve in the title tournament must be facing some hard reality this morning. I've never seen such a watered down, formulaic, road to the top. I'm still not convinced WWE is turning anyone heel either. I think we probably get Owens vs Reigns, and HHH uses Sheamus as the ace up his sleeve, except that won't work either. If we get Ambrose vs Reigns then I think we should expect the heel turn but I'm not counting on it. Taker and Kane vs The Wyatts is horrible. I enjoyed Owens vs Neville and Ziggler vs Ambrose, and New Day Rocks! Pretty forgettable episode of Raw outside of the ending though. Once again, live reports said that the crowd was leaving before & during that segment. And the point was to get heat on Paige, which failed, because no one is mad at Paige for saying it. The segment didn't do it's job. It failed.
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Post by J12 on Nov 17, 2015 15:47:31 GMT -5
I just got around to finishing the show because I was at a show (Bo Burnham) last night.
On the subject of the closing segment, I thought it was pretty bad. Not because it was tasteless or anything like that, but because it felt like they were putting the cart before horse and pulling a typical "it's worthy because it's the main event" instead of "it's the main event because it's worthy." That never works. You can't just stick something out there with little to no heat behind it in the closing segment of the show and expect it to go well. This was a not so subtle attempt to cash in on the Rousey/Holm drama at their press conference. It was painfully obvious.
I'm all for the women closing Raw when it's warranted (see: Brie & Steph), and perhaps if WWE had put a little more meat on this story prior to last night, it could've been a very sensible closing segment. But they didn't, and, realizing how pathetically thin Survivor Series is, they scrambled to try to add a dimension to this feud that simply wasn't there and had no inclining of being there. Like the diva's revolution, this was only important because they said it was, not because it actually was.
Both Paige and Charlotte did what they could. I have no issue with the Reid comments because Charlotte was obviously alright with it. If she wasn't, it wouldn't have happened. If she's fine with doing it, I don't see any reason that we shouldn't be fine with it occurring. That being said, it felt like a wasted opportunity to garner heat. They could've saved it for later in the feud (if it ever got to a point of being necessitated) or for a different match-up all together.
Outside of that, Raw was mostly just more scraps in the wake of the Rollins' injury. The tournament is pathetic, that hasn't changed. It's becoming even more clear that Reigns is just going to win the title outright as a babyface, which is just about unfathomable to me from a creative standpoint.
The Wyatt/BOD angle has taken a turn for the "why the hell even bother?" Don't ask me to take Kane seriously as a menacing threat beside The Undertaker when he was a borderline comedy act in the Authority a month ago. Don't ask me to believe the Wyatts are a credible threat after neutering them on an almost nightly basis. It's just insulting.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 17, 2015 16:00:53 GMT -5
Thought Paige was fantastic. No issue with WWE pulling a WWE. Marks are fired up. People who didn't care about that match now care. No issue at all with any of it. Those of you expecting some kind of swerve in the title tournament must be facing some hard reality this morning. I've never seen such a watered down, formulaic, road to the top. I'm still not convinced WWE is turning anyone heel either. I think we probably get Owens vs Reigns, and HHH uses Sheamus as the ace up his sleeve, except that won't work either. If we get Ambrose vs Reigns then I think we should expect the heel turn but I'm not counting on it. Taker and Kane vs The Wyatts is horrible. I enjoyed Owens vs Neville and Ziggler vs Ambrose, and New Day Rocks! Pretty forgettable episode of Raw outside of the ending though. Once again, live reports said that the crowd was leaving before & during that segment. And the point was to get heat on Paige, which failed, because no one is mad at Paige for saying it. The segment didn't do it's job. It failed. Can you somehow prove to me that people are less interested in Charlotte vs Paige heading into Survivor Series? Otherwise, the segment didn't fail at all. The fact that you literally can't stop talking about it proves to me that WWE did exactly what they wanted to do. The people leaving during the segment were people who were likely going to leave regardless of the content of the promo. Those people went "Divas? No thanks, I'm beating traffic outta here." The segment didn't fail, it offended you. That's really all there is to it. The fact WWE is going to garner interest from such a distasteful comment probably pisses you off more. Welcome to reality. Here, marketing 101 for you:
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Post by The IT Factor on Nov 17, 2015 16:04:44 GMT -5
Once again, live reports said that the crowd was leaving before & during that segment. And the point was to get heat on Paige, which failed, because no one is mad at Paige for saying it. The segment didn't do it's job. It failed. Can you somehow prove to me that people are less interested in Charlotte vs Paige heading into Survivor Series? Otherwise, the segment didn't fail at all. The fact that you literally can't stop talking about it proves to me that WWE did exactly what they wanted to do. The people leaving during the segment were people who were likely going to leave regardless of the content of the promo. Those people went "Divas? No thanks, I'm beating traffic outta here." The segment didn't fail, it offended you. That's really all there is to it. The fact WWE is going to garner interest from such a distasteful comment probably pisses you off more. Welcome to reality. Here, marketing 101 for you: A, I'm talking about it for all the wrong reasons. That whole "any publicity is good publicity" thing is bullshit. B, I still don't care about the match at Survivor Series.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 17, 2015 16:24:03 GMT -5
Can you somehow prove to me that people are less interested in Charlotte vs Paige heading into Survivor Series? Otherwise, the segment didn't fail at all. The fact that you literally can't stop talking about it proves to me that WWE did exactly what they wanted to do. The people leaving during the segment were people who were likely going to leave regardless of the content of the promo. Those people went "Divas? No thanks, I'm beating traffic outta here." The segment didn't fail, it offended you. That's really all there is to it. The fact WWE is going to garner interest from such a distasteful comment probably pisses you off more. Welcome to reality. Here, marketing 101 for you: A, I'm talking about it for all the wrong reasons. That whole "any publicity is good publicity" thing is bullcrap. B, I still don't care about the match at Survivor Series. Are you going to cancel your WWE Network Subscription or completely stop watching Raw over that segment? I'm now more interested though. So they did alright for me.
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Post by Rob on Nov 17, 2015 17:35:43 GMT -5
Here is my take on the end segment, Didnt care for the match before hand, still dont give a . Crowd didnt give a either. The whole segment was cringeworthy as hell and it didnt have enough content behind the feud for it to be "show closer before PPV" worthy.
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Post by Chip on Nov 17, 2015 17:54:48 GMT -5
RAWs trend of ratings decline in the 3rd hour continued this week. Maybe they threw in the towel for the 3rd hour because they know the audience drops so bad. Because that show was the drizzling shits after Reigns/Cesaro.
this PPV is shaping up to be a disaster. no survivor matches, we get to see Reigns win twice finally overcoming the odds and achieving his dream (that he only really had a couple years ago when he got into wrestling as his second option) of winning the WWE title and beginning the Roman Empire.
I dunno what they are gonna do when Cena comes back because I feel like they can only have one big guy who the kids & girls love/guys boo at a time.
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Post by Rob on Nov 17, 2015 18:04:40 GMT -5
RAWs trend of ratings decline in the 3rd hour continued this week. Maybe they threw in the towel for the 3rd hour because they know the audience drops so bad. Because that show was the drizzling craps after Reigns/Cesaro. this PPV is shaping up to be a disaster. no survivor matches, we get to see Reigns win spamice finally overcoming the odds and achieving his dream (that he only really had a couple years ago when he got into wrestling as his second option) of winning the WWE title and beginning the Roman Empire. I dunno what they are gonna do when Cena comes back because I feel like they can only have one big guy who the kids & girls love/guys boo at a time. I'm curious to see the rating for the last half an hour.
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Post by The IT Factor on Nov 17, 2015 18:28:44 GMT -5
A, I'm talking about it for all the wrong reasons. That whole "any publicity is good publicity" thing is bullcrap. B, I still don't care about the match at Survivor Series. Are you going to cancel your WWE Nespamork Subscription or completely stop watching Raw over that segment? I'm now more interested though. So they did alright for me. What does the first part of your comment have to do with anything I've said? Second. Congratulations, they made you care. But I still don't give a flying about this match Sunday, and I'm not the only one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 21:52:12 GMT -5
Are you going to cancel your WWE Nespamork Subscription or completely stop watching Raw over that segment? I'm now more interested though. So they did alright for me. What does the first part of your comment have to do with anything I've said? Second. Congratulations, they made you care. But I still don't give a flying about this match Sunday, and I'm not the only one. Yes you are
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Post by Joey Cush on Nov 18, 2015 2:32:04 GMT -5
I really dont know if I can take any more of Roman Reigns promo's. They are getting worse week by week.
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