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Post by Duke Silver on Nov 25, 2015 22:13:44 GMT -5
So, watched this match in its entirety for the first time last night (never was able to get around to it knowing what happened to Foley). Maybe I'm getting old, but the chair shots just..was not worth it, even when it happened live and knowing what we know now about concussions.
But my question is, I've always heard that Rock never checked on Foley after the match and/or didn't apologize for the chair shots? I was wondering if anybody could confirm or deny this situation?
It seems like they're on good terms now, so I'm not sure if it was just some bs rumor or they talked it out?
Thanks.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Nov 26, 2015 1:26:51 GMT -5
I don't know what the rumors were at the time, but Rock has gone out of his way several times to thank Foley for everything he did for him that night. I think he even posted on Instagram a few months ago thanking Mick. But The Rock considers that to be the match that "made" The Rock take off, which I've always agreed with.
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Post by King Richius on Nov 26, 2015 2:03:42 GMT -5
You might be interested in watching Beyond the Mat (if you haven't already). That match took place while Foley was being filmed for the documentary so it has behind the scenes footage and comments regarding the Royal Rumble match from Mick.
Be warned, the documentary pulls no punches and can be quite depressing if you don't want to see the human failings of our in ring heroes.
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Post by cmiller79 on Nov 26, 2015 2:57:09 GMT -5
Thats one of my favorite matches The amount of stiff chair shots the rock gave mick was crazy
Beyond the mat also gives a diffrent prospective with the behind the scenes stuff which I think is pretty damn cool but its a little tough to watch when mick talks about not feeling like such good dad
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Post by TheXtremisT on Nov 26, 2015 4:16:08 GMT -5
It was something along the lines of they agreed on 4 chairshots to the head, but Rock kept on hitting him and tallied up 9 total shots. Brutal.
And in Mick's book, he indeed confirms that in the locker room area the Rock was nowhere to be found and didn't come and apologise after the match. Foley was quite upset by this because he considered them great friends at that point. Apparently the Rock did apologise to him a few months later and acknowledged he should have done so straight away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 10:38:36 GMT -5
More than 1 wrestler asked Rock "just what the f8ck did he think he was doing out there" that night. experienced wrestlers knew Rock had got carried away and gone off book.
He got reprimanded by Austin that night too....and like the above guys say Foley confirms the story in his book.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 11:31:03 GMT -5
It's one of the few matches that I can't sit through. It's pure brutality, no idea what was going through Rocky's head that night.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 21:12:49 GMT -5
At the time, I was shocked at the brutality...especially on a major WWE event.
All these years later, it's hard to fathom why you would let it go that far without any payoff.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 27, 2015 11:35:45 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the whole scenario was supposed to be 4 chair shots total, with the idea being they would be brutal, but the anticipation would be even more brutal between each shot, with a few minutes between each to build the tension, and the original ending was Foley to be given the last one in front of his wife and kids at ringside, where upon seeing their distress and pain he would finally say "I Quit". However, they got told the day of the event that they had to drop that ending because USA Network was coming down hard on them about violence, and a guy getting smashed in the head in front of his kids would be bad for relaions, so Foley and Russo came up with the ending we got with the taped words being played.
Problem was, both guys went off script. Foley said the first chair shot hurt him more than expected, and when he was met with a 2nd one mere seconds later rather than the agreed upon couple minutes, he got pissed, and went "into the zone" where the Rock legitimately hurt him, and in his pissed off state he started daring the Rock to try and hurt him again, which Rocky unfortunately was willing to oblige. At that point the match got completely out of hand, with both guys forgetting they were Mick Foley and Dwayne Johnson, and went total kayfabe and were Mankind and The Rock for real. Even the ending was a bit botched, as Foley said he had enough, and gave Rock the agreed-upon non-verbal cue to end the match with a shot to the back of the head by standing in the aisle and leaning over with his back to the Rock. Instead, Rocky walked around Foley and gave him another shot to the face, before finally giving Mankind the knock out blow to the back of the head.
Foley did say in his book that everyone came to check on him but Rocky, and it was a bone of contention for awhile, as rather than confront The Rock, Foley didn't say anything and let it fester in him for awhile. When they finally hashed it out, Rocky's excuse was he was new to being a heel, and didn't know what to do and was worried it would reflect badly on his heel character if he checked on him. Which I find an utterly BS excuse. First off, rocky was a heel for a long time before his Corporate Champ run. Secondly, he was in the business for years at that point, he knew the proper protocols and how the boys dealt with each other. Personally, I think The Rock at that point was too full of himself, and felt it was "below" him somehow to come and apologize to Mick. It's the only thing that makes sense, because the only other options are he was stupid and didn't pay attention to any of the wrestler's codes of conduct, or he didn't care about them .
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Post by Starscream on Nov 27, 2015 13:00:50 GMT -5
But Rock came to check on him...is there on the documentary. Even if it was not a straight apology he still went up to him, is not like he totally ignored Foley because he thought he was "below" him. I think is not fair to judge Rocky since it probably was a complete misunderstanding.
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Post by Duke Silver on Nov 27, 2015 13:58:58 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the whole scenario was supposed to be 4 chair shots total, with the idea being they would be brutal, but the anticipation would be even more brutal between each shot, with a few minutes between each to build the tension, and the original ending was Foley to be given the last one in front of his wife and kids at ringside, where upon seeing their distress and pain he would finally say "I Quit". However, they got told the day of the event that they had to drop that ending because USA Network was coming down hard on them about violence, and a guy getting smashed in the head in front of his kids would be bad for relaions, so Foley and Russo came up with the ending we got with the taped words being played. Problem was, both guys went off script. Foley said the first chair shot hurt him more than expected, and when he was met with a 2nd one mere seconds later rather than the agreed upon couple minutes, he got pissed, and went "into the zone" where the Rock legitimately hurt him, and in his pissed off state he started daring the Rock to try and hurt him again, which Rocky unfortunately was willing to oblige. At that point the match got completely out of hand, with both guys forgetting they were Mick Foley and Dwayne Johnson, and went total kayfabe and were Mankind and The Rock for real. Even the ending was a bit botched, as Foley said he had enough, and gave Rock the agreed-upon non-verbal cue to end the match with a shot to the back of the head by standing in the aisle and leaning over with his back to the Rock. Instead, Rocky walked around Foley and gave him another shot to the face, before finally giving Mankind the knock out blow to the back of the head. Foley did say in his book that everyone came to check on him but Rocky, and it was a bone of contention for awhile, as rather than confront The Rock, Foley didn't say anything and let it fester in him for awhile. When they finally hashed it out, Rocky's excuse was he was new to being a heel, and didn't know what to do and was worried it would reflect badly on his heel character if he checked on him. Which I find an utterly BS excuse. First off, rocky was a heel for a long time before his Corporate Champ run. Secondly, he was in the business for years at that point, he knew the proper protocols and how the boys dealt with each other. Personally, I think The Rock at that point was too full of himself, and felt it was "below" him somehow to come and apologize to Mick. It's the only thing that makes sense, because the only other options are he was stupid and didn't pay attention to any of the wrestler's codes of conduct, or he didn't care about them . Jesus, I never heard this detailed version of it. Just always heard Rock never apologized. I'm honestly surprised Mick was able to hold in that aggression for so long and Rock not apologizing for going off script. Like Joker stated, Austin reprimanding him was the right call, not only as the top guy, but as a friend to Mick for so many years. I don't know how anyone was able to sit backstage and let this fester for so long. Vince was out to check on Mick at the King of the Ring in 98 after the fall. But dozen chair shots didn't bring anyone out during the match to stop it.
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Post by Duke Silver on Nov 27, 2015 13:59:54 GMT -5
At the time, I was shocked at the brutality...especially on a major WWE event. All these years later, it's hard to fathom why you would let it go that far without any payoff. Exactly my thoughts, I didn't like the match whatsoever after finally sitting through it.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 27, 2015 14:56:35 GMT -5
But Rock came to check on him...is there on the documentary. Even if it was not a straight apology he still went up to him, is not like he totally ignored Foley because he thought he was "below" him. I think is not fair to judge Rocky since it probably was a complete misunderstanding. I literally just watched that part of the documentary, and Rock did NOT come to check on him. He got a standing ovation from some of the boys, Droz came to check on him, Vince was concerned when they met, but that was it. Foley and Rocky were talking for a bit backstage BEFORE the match, but Rock made no appearances after the match.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 27, 2015 15:05:25 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the whole scenario was supposed to be 4 chair shots total, with the idea being they would be brutal, but the anticipation would be even more brutal between each shot, with a few minutes between each to build the tension, and the original ending was Foley to be given the last one in front of his wife and kids at ringside, where upon seeing their distress and pain he would finally say "I Quit". However, they got told the day of the event that they had to drop that ending because USA Network was coming down hard on them about violence, and a guy getting smashed in the head in front of his kids would be bad for relaions, so Foley and Russo came up with the ending we got with the taped words being played. Problem was, both guys went off script. Foley said the first chair shot hurt him more than expected, and when he was met with a 2nd one mere seconds later rather than the agreed upon couple minutes, he got pissed, and went "into the zone" where the Rock legitimately hurt him, and in his pissed off state he started daring the Rock to try and hurt him again, which Rocky unfortunately was willing to oblige. At that point the match got completely out of hand, with both guys forgetting they were Mick Foley and Dwayne Johnson, and went total kayfabe and were Mankind and The Rock for real. Even the ending was a bit botched, as Foley said he had enough, and gave Rock the agreed-upon non-verbal cue to end the match with a shot to the back of the head by standing in the aisle and leaning over with his back to the Rock. Instead, Rocky walked around Foley and gave him another shot to the face, before finally giving Mankind the knock out blow to the back of the head. Foley did say in his book that everyone came to check on him but Rocky, and it was a bone of contention for awhile, as rather than confront The Rock, Foley didn't say anything and let it fester in him for awhile. When they finally hashed it out, Rocky's excuse was he was new to being a heel, and didn't know what to do and was worried it would reflect badly on his heel character if he checked on him. Which I find an utterly BS excuse. First off, rocky was a heel for a long time before his Corporate Champ run. Secondly, he was in the business for years at that point, he knew the proper protocols and how the boys dealt with each other. Personally, I think The Rock at that point was too full of himself, and felt it was "below" him somehow to come and apologize to Mick. It's the only thing that makes sense, because the only other options are he was stupid and didn't pay attention to any of the wrestler's codes of conduct, or he didn't care about them . Jesus, I never heard this detailed version of it. Just always heard Rock never apologized. I'm honestly surprised Mick was able to hold in that aggression for so long and Rock not apologizing for going off script. Like Joker stated, Austin reprimanding him was the right call, not only as the top guy, but as a friend to Mick for so many years. I don't know how anyone was able to sit backstage and let this fester for so long. Vince was out to check on Mick at the King of the Ring in 98 after the fall. But dozen chair shots didn't bring anyone out during the match to stop it. Ironically enough, in their attempts to not upset USA Network by changing the original ending, they actually ended up having an even MORE violent match and ending than if they had just left it as originally planned! Foley said something like he let it fester because he hoped he could use that anger to cut some really good heel promo's on the Rock's ass down the line somewhere. He later admitted this was stupid, but that was his thought process at the time. The plan was meant to start during the infamous "This Is your Life" segment on Raw, where it was originally intended to show the human side of The Rock, as towards the end Foley was supposed to make a comment about everyday with the Rock feeling like it's his birthday or something, and the plan was for Rock to smile and finally show some warmth towards Mankind, which would hopefully really set up Foley as a huge heel when he turned on him in a couple months ,just as Rocky finally embraced a friendship with Mankind, and Foley would use the RR incident and his real anger about it as his newly Heel character's motivation for turning. However, instead of smiling and showing warmth, Rocky just gave the standard Rock scowl and said nothing, pretty much screwing up the angle. So that was twice in 1999 Rock went off script and into business for himself in working with Foley.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 15:50:31 GMT -5
How did Austin reprimand the Rock?
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Post by Starscream on Nov 27, 2015 16:21:08 GMT -5
But Rock came to check on him...is there on the documentary. Even if it was not a straight apology he still went up to him, is not like he totally ignored Foley because he thought he was "below" him. I think is not fair to judge Rocky since it probably was a complete misunderstanding. I literally just watched that part of the documentary, and Rock did NOT come to check on him. He got a standing ovation from some of the boys, Droz came to check on him, Vince was concerned when they met, but that was it. Foley and Rocky were talking for a bit backstage BEFORE the match, but Rock made no appearances after the match. He did, is there. 7:20 Plus from Foley´s book: "Well, The Rock and I did what we should have done a long time ago-we talked about it. He couldn't quite explain his actions of January 1999 in Anaheim, and I couldn't quite explain why I chose to hold on to my feelings for two years instead of letting them out in a mature manner. Actually, I think I can explain it. I was simply holding on to some hatred for a promo that never happened. Both of us were wrong, but I think maybe I was more wrong. The Rock made a mistake and apologized as soon as he was informed of it. I may have been a victim, but allowing my bitterness to fester for two years was just plain stupid. And make no mistake about it, I was bitter. Even stupider was my logic for holding it all in: I figured that with all of that anger built up I could cut a hell of a promo with him when the time was right." It was just a huge misunderstanding.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 16:29:47 GMT -5
Jesus, I never heard this detailed version of it. Just always heard Rock never apologized. I'm honestly surprised Mick was able to hold in that aggression for so long and Rock not apologizing for going off script. Like Joker stated, Austin reprimanding him was the right call, not only as the top guy, but as a friend to Mick for so many years. I don't know how anyone was able to sit backstage and let this fester for so long. Vince was out to check on Mick at the King of the Ring in 98 after the fall. But dozen chair shots didn't bring anyone out during the match to stop it. Ironically enough, in their attempts to not upset USA Network by changing the original ending, they actually ended up having an even MORE violent match and ending than if they had just left it as originally planned! Foley said something like he let it fester because he hoped he could use that anger to cut some really good heel promo's on the Rock's ass down the line somewhere. He later admitted this was stupid, but that was his thought process at the time. The plan was meant to start during the infamous "This Is your Life" segment on Raw, where it was originally intended to show the human side of The Rock, as towards the end Foley was supposed to make a comment about everyday with the Rock feeling like it's his birthday or something, and the plan was for Rock to smile and finally show some warmth towards Mankind, which would hopefully really set up Foley as a huge heel when he turned on him in a couple months ,just as Rocky finally embraced a friendship with Mankind, and Foley would use the RR incident and his real anger about it as his newly Heel character's motivation for turning. However, instead of smiling and showing warmth, Rocky just gave the standard Rock scowl and said nothing, pretty much screwing up the angle. So that was twice in 1999 Rock went off script and into business for himself in working with Foley. I never knew this...I was astonished that the 'This Is Your Life' segment was in essence a long-winded gag, again with no real payoff...
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Post by Himmy! on Nov 27, 2015 16:49:36 GMT -5
The chairshots are absolutely horrific. Find that match very difficult to watch.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 27, 2015 18:27:39 GMT -5
I literally just watched that part of the documentary, and Rock did NOT come to check on him. He got a standing ovation from some of the boys, Droz came to check on him, Vince was concerned when they met, but that was it. Foley and Rocky were talking for a bit backstage BEFORE the match, but Rock made no appearances after the match. He did, is there. 7:20 Plus from Foley´s book: "Well, The Rock and I did what we should have done a long time ago-we talked about it. He couldn't quite explain his actions of January 1999 in Anaheim, and I couldn't quite explain why I chose to hold on to my feelings for two years instead of letting them out in a mature manner. Actually, I think I can explain it. I was simply holding on to some hatred for a promo that never happened. Both of us were wrong, but I think maybe I was more wrong. The Rock made a mistake and apologized as soon as he was informed of it. I may have been a victim, but allowing my bitterness to fester for two years was just plain stupid. And make no mistake about it, I was bitter. Even stupider was my logic for holding it all in: I figured that with all of that anger built up I could cut a hell of a promo with him when the time was right." It was just a huge misunderstanding. yep, you're right! for some reason, the full length movie on Youtube that I watched actually omits this scene. It goes from Foley laying there to walking in and talking to Vince in his office. So, I apologize. He did say in the chapter covering the match though that one guy who didn't come in and see him was The Rock. Only thing I can think of then is that he meant the Rock didn't physically come and see him while he was getting patched up, as much as it was they ran into each other in the hallway? EDIT - okay, I found out, this scene wasn't part of the original release, Foley and Rock in the hallway, but was later put in the extended, unrated director's cut DVD. That's why I never saw it before. Again, weird Foley says the Rock never came and talked to him, unless like I said he means that he didn't come to the room after the match when he was getting sewn up.
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Post by Starscream on Nov 27, 2015 18:52:53 GMT -5
He did, is there. 7:20 Plus from Foley´s book: "Well, The Rock and I did what we should have done a long time ago-we talked about it. He couldn't quite explain his actions of January 1999 in Anaheim, and I couldn't quite explain why I chose to hold on to my feelings for two years instead of letting them out in a mature manner. Actually, I think I can explain it. I was simply holding on to some hatred for a promo that never happened. Both of us were wrong, but I think maybe I was more wrong. The Rock made a mistake and apologized as soon as he was informed of it. I may have been a victim, but allowing my bitterness to fester for two years was just plain stupid. And make no mistake about it, I was bitter. Even stupider was my logic for holding it all in: I figured that with all of that anger built up I could cut a hell of a promo with him when the time was right." It was just a huge misunderstanding. yep, you're right! for some reason, the full length movie on Youtube that I watched actually omits this scene. It goes from Foley laying there to walking in and talking to Vince in his office. So, I apologize. He did say in the chapter covering the match though that one guy who didn't come in and see him was The Rock. Only thing I can think of then is that he meant the Rock didn't physically come and see him while he was getting patched up, as much as it was they ran into each other in the hallway? EDIT - okay, I found out, this scene wasn't part of the original release, Foley and Rock in the hallway, but was later put in the extended, unrated director's cut DVD. That's why I never saw it before. Again, weird Foley says the Rock never came and talked to him, unless like I said he means that he didn't come to the room after the match when he was getting sewn up. I don´t blame you because when I was looking for the vid to prove my point and my memory, I just couldn´t find it until I watched it yet again this time on my dvd and it was that, it was the extended version. I read long time ago that Mick actually forgot about that exchange they had until someone pointed out that indeed Rock kind of went to check on him, with all that punishment Foley had it is expected for him to forget a lot of things but I can be totally wrong with that one. I still love the match, one of my favorites to this day.
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