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Post by Planktung on Dec 3, 2015 18:30:27 GMT -5
Not sure what show you're watching, but Sasha's been the best Diva on the roster since she's been called up. By a landslide too. You're right! Those 5 minute matches she has on Raw with her opponents are right up there with the 60 minute classics that Flair and Steamboat had in the 80s. My favourite Sasha Raw moments have been her standing on the outside as Naomi wrestled Nikki, Brie or Paige. I am not saying Sasha is bad. Like I said before, she had 2 classics with Bayley. But they clearly practiced those matches going into it. They looked too smooth. Like it was choreographed. Where as when you look back at Trish vs. Lita matches, they went by how the fans were reacting. Knocking a match for being choreographed is a bit pointless since more often than not, matches are planned out in advanced. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 18:36:06 GMT -5
Macho Man laid out his entire match to his opponent before all of his matches. He was odd like that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 18:38:27 GMT -5
Macho Man laid out his entire match to his opponent before all of his matches. He was odd like that. In some cases that works. Sometimes it doesn't though and even he had his bad nights. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 18:39:59 GMT -5
Ivalisse valez vs Serena deeb 60 minute iron woman match.
5 billion times better than any women's match nxt has had. Just stating that there.
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Post by Darkhawk on Dec 3, 2015 18:48:43 GMT -5
We hate Eva cuz she overall sucks. Muhammad Hassan and JBL were able to back up their talk because they were gold on the mic and thus got a lot of heat.
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Post by Rob on Dec 3, 2015 18:51:50 GMT -5
Thats exactly what WWE needs right now. Make someone who is the laughing stock of wrestling a champion. It will go perfectly with WWE's current trend of pushing guys nobody wants to see.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 3, 2015 20:05:14 GMT -5
Ivalisse valez vs Serena deeb 60 minute iron woman match. 5 billion times better than any women's match nxt has had. Just stating that there. I've seen it and respectfully disagree. That match was good, but once it reached the forty or so minute mark, you just knew they were headed to the draw and that took me out of it. I'd say most, if not all of the women's TakeOver matches this year were better. And this is coming from someone who loves Ivelisse. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 20:07:50 GMT -5
Ivalisse valez vs Serena deeb 60 minute iron woman match. 5 billion times better than any women's match nxt has had. Just stating that there. I've seen it and respectfully disagree. That match was good, but once it reached the forty or so minute mark, you just knew they were headed to the draw and that took me out of it. I'd say most, if not all of the women's TakeOver matches this year were better. And this is coming from someone who loves Ivelisse. It's my favorite women's match this year. Despite the outcome. I prefer it over anything nxt has done with their divas. Nxt at times is entirely to coached. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 3, 2015 20:24:26 GMT -5
I've seen it and respectfully disagree. That match was good, but once it reached the forty or so minute mark, you just knew they were headed to the draw and that took me out of it. I'd say most, if not all of the women's TakeOver matches this year were better. And this is coming from someone who loves Ivelisse. It's my favorite women's match this year. Despite the outcome. I prefer it over anything nxt has done with their divas. Nxt at times is entirely to coached. Wait. Wasn't it June of last year? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 20:31:25 GMT -5
I feel as if I am the only Eva Marie fan. Everyone hates her, I can understand if some people hated her. But not everyone, and for what reason? Anyways I really like her and even though she isn't super good in the ring she has improved a lot from where she was. She also has passion which a lot of people lack these days! I can see her winning the title in a sneaky way like how they were heading in her match a week or two ago against Bayley. Which might I add was very entertaining and I wish more matches were like that. It helped cover up her flaws and bring out her positives. No doubt do I like her and no doubt do I see her going somewhere in the WWE whether you all like it or not... I actually hope that she wins the title off of Bayley and improves and turns into a big time heel. Cheating her way into keeping it, etc. and then eventually having Bayley win it back.. I agree with you. It's also well known around here that I am a huge fan of hers. its nice to see another Eva Marie fan! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 21:01:32 GMT -5
It's my favorite women's match this year. Despite the outcome. I prefer it over anything nxt has done with their divas. Nxt at times is entirely to coached. Wait. Wasn't it June of last year? Yeah, my bad. I didn't realize it was that old. That and it hasn't been all that long since I rewatched it with my girlfriend. |
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Post by RV F'N D on Dec 3, 2015 21:05:43 GMT -5
Just to clarify because there seems to be confusion, a heel supposed to get heat from their character and actions, not because they can't work or talk like Eva. Giving her opportunities ahead of all the other women on the roster who are way ahead of her in every way is a mistake. Bayley would gain nothing from chasing her or beating her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 22:58:23 GMT -5
You're right! Those 5 minute matches she has on Raw with her opponents are right up there with the 60 minute classics that Flair and Steamboat had in the 80s. My favourite Sasha Raw moments have been her standing on the outside as Naomi wrestled Nikki, Brie or Paige. I am not saying Sasha is bad. Like I said before, she had 2 classics with Bayley. But they clearly practiced those matches going into it. They looked too smooth. Like it was choreographed. Where as when you look back at Trish vs. Lita matches, they went by how the fans were reacting. Knocking a match for being choreographed is a bit pointless since more often than not, matches are planned out in advanced. I disagree because if you watch trish vs lita from the raw main event they didn't know they were gonna main event until the minute they walked in the door.They didn't plan on anything they knew each others weaknesses and strengths.If trish vs Lita can have a in ring classic in only 8 minutes then these divas should have no problem.You didn't see them complaing about getting more time. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 3, 2015 23:02:23 GMT -5
Knocking a match for being choreographed is a bit pointless since more often than not, matches are planned out in advanced. I disagree because if you watch trish vs lita from the raw main event they didn't know they were gonna main event until the minute they walked in the door.They didn't plan on anything they knew each others weaknesses and strengths.If trish vs Lita can have a in ring classic in only 8 minutes then these divas should have no problem.You didn't see them complaing about getting more time. He did said "more often than not". That doesn't mean always. Trish and Lita were at a point where they did have enough chemistry that they didn't need to fully plan things out and they could call it in the ring. They wrestled like a thousand times. A lot of people choreograph their matches beforehand and some do it on the fly. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 23:05:57 GMT -5
I disagree because if you watch trish vs lita from the raw main event they didn't know they were gonna main event until the minute they walked in the door.They didn't plan on anything they knew each others weaknesses and strengths.If trish vs Lita can have a in ring classic in only 8 minutes then these divas should have no problem.You didn't see them complaing about getting more time. He did said "more often than not". That doesn't mean always. Trish and Lita were at a point where they did have enough chemistry that they didn't need to fully plan things out and they could call it in the ring. They wrestled like a thousand times. A lot of people choreograph their matches beforehand and some do it on the fly. To be fair me and hbkbigdaddycool are from a totally different time frame where most wrestlers worked town to town every night and had chemistry. This whole ordeal of performance centers and working out the details isn't something the wrestlers we idolized needed to do as much. That's why it's easier for us to catch things that some don't in matches. Or why some matches seem more like they were totally planned out beforehand. It's a different world these days, but the great matches come when they aren't planned step by step. Edit As long as one wrestler knows how to lead and one knows how to follow. You can't put ryback in there with sin cara and wing it. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 23:11:21 GMT -5
He did said "more often than not". That doesn't mean always. Trish and Lita were at a point where they did have enough chemistry that they didn't need to fully plan things out and they could call it in the ring. They wrestled like a thousand times. A lot of people choreograph their matches beforehand and some do it on the fly. To be fair me and hbkbigdaddycool are from a totally different time frame where most wrestlers worked town to town every night and had chemistry. This whole ordeal of performance centers and working out the details isn't something the wrestlers we idolized needed to do as much. That's why it's easier for us to catch things that some don't in matches. Or why some matches seem more like they were totally planned out beforehand. It's a different world these days, but the great matches come when they aren't planned step by step. Edit As long as one wrestler knows how to lead and one knows how to follow. You can't put ryback in there with sin cara and wing it. Lol And thats exactly why I feel an Eva Marie Title run could work.If Eva Stays in the Ring with the likes of Sasha,Bayley,Natalya,Nikki(Yes I Said Nikki) then she'll be fine.But if you continue to put her in matches with Carmella or Alexa Bliss it's gonna be terrible. |
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Post by Planktung on Dec 3, 2015 23:13:55 GMT -5
Knocking a match for being choreographed is a bit pointless since more often than not, matches are planned out in advanced. I disagree because if you watch trish vs lita from the raw main event they didn't know they were gonna main event until the minute they walked in the door.They didn't plan on anything they knew each others weaknesses and strengths.If trish vs Lita can have a in ring classic in only 8 minutes then these divas should have no problem.You didn't see them complaing about getting more time. Trish and Lita had an actual storyline to work with that people were invested in. They were two characters who had real progression and depth. A random Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch match on RAW with no build isn't going to magically be great. Thus far on TV, Sasha has come across as a random girl in Team BAD and Becky is Charlotte's ex-best friend. Take any other woman on the roster and their character is almost nonexistent. There is no depth there whatsoever. Their TakeOver match, however, was great because it was given time, a story and a reason for people to give a sh*t. The women on the main roster can only do so much with their talent. If there isn't any real time or effort put by the creative team into a storyline, it isn't going to matter. If you put Sasha vs. Bayley on as the second hour opening segment of RAW, it would be a ** match. Not because they're not good, but because management just doesn't care. |
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Dec 4, 2015 0:53:39 GMT -5
Can't believe Eva Marie fans are actually arguing that she should be given a top spot based on her getting booed for sucking at her job. Ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 1:17:40 GMT -5
Can't believe Eva Marie fans are actually arguing that she should be given a top spot based on her getting booed for sucking at her job. Ridiculous. I never once said she sucks at her job. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Dec 4, 2015 1:42:49 GMT -5
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