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Post by marino13 on Dec 12, 2015 10:03:22 GMT -5
man, time really does heal all....5 years ago this thread would already have been at 15 pages, and been locked due to fighting.Chris Benoit was a piece of human garbage. "Mental" or not. The WWE is doing exactly what they should have, you can't literally remove him from history especially because a good part of that history isn't even theirs (WCW/ECW) but they don't promote him in any way. It's the best way to handle it. I was watching a random Nitro the other day and Benoit came out to help WCW vs nWo and I was just like "wow...I can't believe it still" I fully expect that is where this will head eventually. I've been checking it often assuming the worse.
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Post by cmiller79 on Dec 12, 2015 11:42:03 GMT -5
man, time really does heal all....5 years ago this thread would already have been at 15 pages, and been locked due to fighting.Chris Benoit was a piece of human garbage. "Mental" or not. The WWE is doing exactly what they should have, you can't literally remove him from history especially because a good part of that history isn't even theirs (WCW/ECW) but they don't promote him in any way. It's the best way to handle it. I was watching a random Nitro the other day and Benoit came out to help WCW vs nWo and I was just like "wow...I can't believe it still" I fully expect that is where this will head eventually. I've been checking it often assuming the worse. it won't be too much longer till this joins all the other benoit threads
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 12, 2015 14:16:42 GMT -5
On a somewhat related note, though, I think the trauma to Benoit's brain often times goes largely unmentioned in conversations about him. It doesn't excuse anything he did, it doesn't make it better in any way, but it does raise the question of whether or not a mentally healthy Chris Benoit would ever have done such a thing. At this point, it's more or less been proven that his brain was nearly mush. I think making note of that is important. It's easy to say he's a monster, and in large part, that's true, but to me, acknowledging the mental degradation at least gives credence to the plethora of indicators from friends and co-workers that he was, by and large, a good guy for most of his life. But if the head trauma was responsible, then the wrestler and the murderer aren't different people, they're very closely related. And I keep reading that they were different people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 14:19:38 GMT -5
A lot of the things people complain about (you know how the product became more family friendly?) are because of Benoit murdering his family. It damaged the industry horrendously. He did more bad than he ever did good to wrestling.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 12, 2015 14:35:06 GMT -5
I like to say you can put him in the same category as Hitler. You dont condone what he did but he had a significant impact on history. While you dont go out and overly promote him and what he did, you also dont completely erase (or try) him either because if we dont learn from mistakes in the past, we're doomed to repeat them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 15:45:36 GMT -5
All these replies and only about 1 or 2 of you actually read my post and answered the question... lol i didnt ask if yall agree that benoit should be erased from history. Of course 99% of yall will say yes. I ASKED IF YALL THINK THE EXPLOITATION OF BENOIT ACTUALLY EXPOSES BENOIT MORE!! this wasnt supposed to be a should wwe ignore benoit thread... lol
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Post by cmiller79 on Dec 12, 2015 20:36:53 GMT -5
All these replies and only about 1 or 2 of you actually read my post and answered the question... lol i didnt ask if yall agree that benoit should be erased from history. Of course 99% of yall will say yes. I ASKED IF YALL THINK THE EXPLOITATION OF BENOIT ACTUALLY EXPOSES BENOIT MORE!! this wasnt supposed to be a should wwe ignore benoit thread... lol just let it go Someone hijacked your thread with a topic everyone would rather talk about more hence why everybody started talking about watching Benoit as opposed to what you posted I'm sure this won't be the last time this happens during your stay here on the forum Hopefully it doesn't discourage you from creating topics in the future & honestly I'm surprised this thread hasn't ended up locked yet like most Benoit topics that are usually posted here
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Post by cmiller79 on Dec 12, 2015 20:41:45 GMT -5
On a somewhat related note, though, I think the trauma to Benoit's brain often times goes largely unmentioned in conversations about him. It doesn't excuse anything he did, it doesn't make it better in any way, but it does raise the question of whether or not a mentally healthy Chris Benoit would ever have done such a thing. At this point, it's more or less been proven that his brain was nearly mush. I think making note of that is important. It's easy to say he's a monster, and in large part, that's true, but to me, acknowledging the mental degradation at least gives credence to the plethora of indicators from friends and co-workers that he was, by and large, a good guy for most of his life. But if the head trauma was responsible, then the wrestler and the murderer aren't different people, they're very closely related. And I keep reading that they were different people. his character didn't have the brain trauma the real life person behind the character did That's like saying superman was paralyzed because Christopher reeves the guy that portrayed the character was paralyzed in real life
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 12, 2015 20:43:46 GMT -5
But if the head trauma was responsible, then the wrestler and the murderer aren't different people, they're very closely related. And I keep reading that they were different people. his character didn't have the brain trauma the real life person behind the character did So he didn't get the brain trauma while playing the character? It was from unrelated incidents? That's not what the other guy was saying.
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Post by Gone. on Dec 12, 2015 20:48:20 GMT -5
He was one of, if not the best in the world. If you love wrestling, and I mean true wrestling, you should be able to appreciate what he could do. I will continue to watch and enjoy his matches till the end of time.
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Post by cmiller79 on Dec 12, 2015 20:59:03 GMT -5
his character didn't have the brain trauma the real life person behind the character did So he didn't get the brain trauma while playing the character? It was from unrelated incidents? That's not what the other guy was saying. all be was saying from what I can tell is why when talking about the MAN oustside the ring his acts and mental instability outside of the ring never get brought up and considered in the events that took place You brought the character/man being the same not him
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 13, 2015 11:28:11 GMT -5
I understand why they did it I don't have a problem watching benoit matches the guy was one of the best and put on some of the greatest matches of all time I can separate the two This. I've watched plenty of Benoit matches since the incident and I'm fine. I know what he did, and it's always in the back of my head when I seen his footage, but I can watch his matches. My question to the people who don't watch his stuff, just a quick question. Not being a jerk but an actual question. You don't watch Benoit matches because of what he did, which is completely fine, but do you ever watch those documentaries on TV of other killers with actual footage of them? I'm talking about guys like Manson, Bundy, Gasey, etc... We know what they did and people still watch footage of them. To me it's a similar situation and just curious about the question.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 13, 2015 11:31:33 GMT -5
I think it's the perfect compromise. They matches are there for people who want to see them, and easy to skip for those who do not. They've handled it perfectly. He was my favorite wrestler for over a decade, but I don't enjoy watching his matches anymore because it's impossible for me not to think about what he did when doing so. Yep. Personally, I haven't gone back and watched any Benoit matches since it happened. That isn't so much an effort on my part as it is the fact that I don't go back and watch a lot of classic stuff anymore. Two of my favorite moments I ever saw in person are Benoit related, though, the first being his match with Angle at Royal Rumble '03, and the second being his title win at Mania XX. Looking back, both of them feel tainted. On a somewhat related note, though, I think the trauma to Benoit's brain often times goes largely unmentioned in conversations about him. It doesn't excuse anything he did, it doesn't make it better in any way, but it does raise the question of whether or not a mentally healthy Chris Benoit would ever have done such a thing. At this point, it's more or less been proven that his brain was nearly mush. I think making note of that is important. It's easy to say he's a monster, and in large part, that's true, but to me, acknowledging the mental degradation at least gives credence to the plethora of indicators from friends and co-workers that he was, by and large, a good guy for most of his life. This. People who haven't heard Chris Nowitski on Jericho's podcast need to. The guy studied Benoits brain. It was similar to that of an 80 year old Alzheimer's patient. Not an excuse, but add the massive usage of steroids to that equation, and it's a recipe for disaster.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 13, 2015 11:53:52 GMT -5
Something I don't understand about this whole Benoit situation is the fans HATRED for Benoit....and before you jump the gun just let me explain
The guy had brain damage.....you don't have brain damage and function as a normal person, it's not just a thing people say, brain damage means your BRAIN is DAMAGED. Not to sound like a wise guy but it's as though that part of the equation isn't comprehended in full.
You can hate what Benoit did, every compassionate person on EARTH would agree that murdering your son and wife is beyond dispicable.....but I really don't understand the hatred for Benoit himself. He committed a terrible act, but by all accounts up till then, it was an uncharacteristic act. He was a good person who excercised BAD judgment due to a mental illness he was suffering from thanks to years of head trauma. ...not because he was a psychopath
The act of murdering is terrible, but I don't think Benoit was a bad person....I think he just committed an uncharacteristic act due to having his brain impaired. It can not be understated that his impairment prompted a HORRIFIC action
When Chris Benoit was mentally healthy, he didn't murder anyone though. That's an example of his character, the murders are an example of his illness
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Post by marino13 on Dec 13, 2015 12:55:32 GMT -5
I understand why they did it I don't have a problem watching benoit matches the guy was one of the best and put on some of the greatest matches of all time I can separate the two This. I've watched plenty of Benoit matches since the incident and I'm fine. I know what he did, and it's always in the back of my head when I seen his footage, but I can watch his matches. My question to the people who don't watch his stuff, just a quick question. Not being a jerk but an actual question. You don't watch Benoit matches because of what he did, which is completely fine, but do you ever watch those documentaries on TV of other killers with actual footage of them? I'm talking about guys like Manson, Bundy, Gasey, etc... We know what they did and people still watch footage of them. To me it's a similar situation and just curious about the question. I can't speak for everyone here, but I was not a huge fan of Hitler, Bundy, Gacy, or Manson before they committed the crimes they did. I did not spend my time or money cheering them on at every milestone they had. I did not lose my voice cheering for them during a tryout with the top company hoping/praying someone would hear me and sign them. I did not shed a tear for them or feel relived when they reached the top of their chosen profession. So yeah... apples and oranges IMO.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 13, 2015 14:11:37 GMT -5
So he didn't get the brain trauma while playing the character? It was from unrelated incidents? That's not what the other guy was saying. all be was saying from what I can tell is why when talking about the MAN oustside the ring his acts and mental instability outside of the ring never get brought up and considered in the events that took place Because people pretend that the wrestling was unrelated to the murders, and it would be hypocritical of them to blame the wrestling-induced brain damage while still pretending the wrestling was unrelated to the murders.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 13, 2015 14:14:27 GMT -5
We all knew it was coming, so why delay the inevitable?
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