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Post by Kanenite on Dec 11, 2015 15:32:47 GMT -5
I can understand why they don't advertise him in the match chapters and I remember enough where I can pinpoint where his matches are so it's no big deal to me. (As long as all the content is there, which it is.)
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Post by sean™ on Dec 11, 2015 16:11:20 GMT -5
I'm ok with this. His death did more damage to this sport than any good while he was alive.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Dec 11, 2015 16:18:24 GMT -5
Neh I find that having a blank spot or whatever does draw attention, if I were a casual fan that saw one guys name wasnt mentioned or whatever I'd search into who he was and find out either way.
I dont have a problem watching Beniot's matches, but everytime he headbutt's someone or takes a head shot, I'm thinking about what he did, and how those head trauma's caused it. The fact is what he did in his last hours overshadow his entire career.
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Post by Starscream on Dec 11, 2015 16:42:11 GMT -5
Meh When the tragedy happened my heart was broken for the longest time but now I just don`t care and I can watch and even enjoy Benoit matches with no problem. At least the matches were not erased.
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Post by J12 on Dec 11, 2015 17:10:02 GMT -5
I think it's the perfect compromise. They matches are there for people who want to see them, and easy to skip for those who do not. They've handled it perfectly. He was my favorite wrestler for over a decade, but I don't enjoy watching his matches anymore because it's impossible for me not to think about what he did when doing so. Yep. Personally, I haven't gone back and watched any Benoit matches since it happened. That isn't so much an effort on my part as it is the fact that I don't go back and watch a lot of classic stuff anymore. Two of my favorite moments I ever saw in person are Benoit related, though, the first being his match with Angle at Royal Rumble '03, and the second being his title win at Mania XX. Looking back, both of them feel tainted. On a somewhat related note, though, I think the trauma to Benoit's brain often times goes largely unmentioned in conversations about him. It doesn't excuse anything he did, it doesn't make it better in any way, but it does raise the question of whether or not a mentally healthy Chris Benoit would ever have done such a thing. At this point, it's more or less been proven that his brain was nearly mush. I think making note of that is important. It's easy to say he's a monster, and in large part, that's true, but to me, acknowledging the mental degradation at least gives credence to the plethora of indicators from friends and co-workers that he was, by and large, a good guy for most of his life.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 17:35:26 GMT -5
I'm find with them doing it, but I do not like watching Benoit matches. I've only seen a few and I do not plan on watching any more.
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Post by RV F'N D on Dec 11, 2015 18:05:22 GMT -5
He was my absolute favorite. I was in Army basic training when the tragedy happened, so I was very detached from the world at that point. One of my Drill Sergeants told us all when it went down but I wasn't able to watch wrestling at that time or follow the news. It hit hard, but I was in a situation where I couldn't even take the time to process it or deal with it at all. I still like watching him work, it isn't the same, but I'm glad they didn't fully erase all his stuff, just there's always that shadow hanging over it and it sucks:/
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 18:29:48 GMT -5
You guys missed the whole point of my question... i just wanted to know if you guys thought that wwe sheds more light, rather than hide him by blocking him away from things. Like when you see that something is blocked from somewhere, you get curious and actually look it up.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 11, 2015 19:38:07 GMT -5
My only problem is the flying headbutt. Everytime he did that move it damaged his brain even more which caused the mental illness so when I'm watching one of his matches I close my eyes when he does it.
If he never did that move he would probably still be alive today.
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Post by dixol on Dec 11, 2015 19:52:06 GMT -5
I think it's the perfect compromise. They matches are there for people who want to see them, and easy to skip for those who do not. They've handled it perfectly. He was my favorite wrestler for over a decade, but I don't enjoy watching his matches anymore because it's impossible for me not to think about what he did when doing so. Yep. Personally, I haven't gone back and watched any Benoit matches since it happened. That isn't so much an effort on my part as it is the fact that I don't go back and watch a lot of classic stuff anymore. Two of my favorite moments I ever saw in person are Benoit related, though, the first being his match with Angle at Royal Rumble '03, and the second being his title win at Mania XX. Looking back, both of them feel tainted. On a somewhat related note, though, I think the trauma to Benoit's brain often times goes largely unmentioned in conversations about him. It doesn't excuse anything he did, it doesn't make it better in any way, but it does raise the question of whether or not a mentally healthy Chris Benoit would ever have done such a thing. At this point, it's more or less been proven that his brain was nearly mush. I think making note of that is important. It's easy to say he's a monster, and in large part, that's true, but to me, acknowledging the mental degradation at least gives credence to the plethora of indicators from friends and co-workers that he was, by and large, a good guy for most of his life. Your second paragraph, especially the last sentence, is perfect. Just because he killed his family doesn't mean he was always a bad guy. He wasnt himself at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 20:16:44 GMT -5
I miss Benoit as a performer, and personally I like to at least try and look past what happened when watching old material which he features in. Totally understandable that they don't mention him though, of course.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Dec 11, 2015 21:26:56 GMT -5
To answer your question first, i think it does drsw more attention. However, i think it probably only draws that attention from the minority of network subscribers. I imagine kids and casual fans probably do not notice it.For hardcore viewers such as ourselves, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Not nearly as badly as on dvd releases where the commentary cuts out at seemingly random intervals. In those cases its pretty much a dead give away that either the commentators are referencing Benoit.......or Jesse Ventura is talking. At any rate, i understand why there is no direct mention of him on the network in an advertising capacity, and as long as his matches are on there ,and intact, for authentictys sake, then i see the situation as the best case scenario.
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Post by Flair Forever on Dec 11, 2015 21:35:19 GMT -5
TBH, leaving the murders aside for a moment....
Benoit suffered from the same problem a lot of current guys have. His promos, in general, were horrible. I felt that way when he was living, and I feel that way now.
I never really got into Benoit because of that, because he was never really able to make me care about his character, or invest in him. Even when he was a Horseman, he was just kind of..... there.
So it was very easy for me to bury him, so-to-speak....
I know I'm probably in the minority around here (but maybe not with most casual fans) - but you could put 4-star matches in front of me all day..... if I don't give a crap about the guys in the match, I'm not that interested.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 11, 2015 21:44:52 GMT -5
Benoit was one of my favorites and he still is. I dont agree or condone what he did. However I can separate the athlete from the person. I can watch any Benoit match even ones with Woman at ringside. If Mattel were to make a Benoit figure (which they wont) Id absolutely buy it...in fact I already have a custom on my shelf. I didnt personally know Chris, Nancy or Daniel so I cant really say there is any emotional connection for me so it doesnt bother me. I understand and accept WWE stance though.
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Post by The Constable on Dec 12, 2015 2:56:36 GMT -5
What do you guys think about wwe not including benoits name in all of the bookmarked chapter info. For those of you who have wwe network, how many of you automatically know that when you see a big gap in betweeen the chapters, that its a benoit match? I just think that the more they try to block him out of things, its actually just doing the opposite. It just brings more attention towards it. Not just with the network, but the whole wwe in general. Idk sounds weird but makes sense to me.. Your guys thoughts? If you search his name to nothing comes up
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Post by The Constable on Dec 12, 2015 2:57:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 7:23:41 GMT -5
Chris Benoit, like all wrestlers, portrayed a character on TV. The character of Chris Benoit was, and still is, one heck of a wrestler and I still enjoy watching his matches. Chris Benoit, the real life person, is a murderer.
For a long time, i couldn't seperate them. Now I can, and it means I'm still able to enjoy my favourite wrestling moment again.
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Post by cmiller79 on Dec 12, 2015 8:04:37 GMT -5
Chris Benoit, like all wrestlers, portrayed a character on TV. The character of Chris Benoit was, and still is, one heck of a wrestler and I still enjoy watching his matches. Chris Benoit, the real life person, is a murderer. For a long time, i couldn't seperate them. Now I can, and it means I'm still able to enjoy my favourite wrestling moment again. that pretty much sums it up
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Post by Chip on Dec 12, 2015 8:55:05 GMT -5
man, time really does heal all....5 years ago this thread would already have been at 15 pages, and been locked due to fighting.
Chris Benoit was a piece of human garbage. "Mental" or not.
The WWE is doing exactly what they should have, you can't literally remove him from history especially because a good part of that history isn't even theirs (WCW/ECW) but they don't promote him in any way. It's the best way to handle it. I was watching a random Nitro the other day and Benoit came out to help WCW vs nWo and I was just like "wow...I can't believe it still"
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Dec 12, 2015 9:52:59 GMT -5
I think it does draw a bit more attention because people look it up and get hooked into learning more and more or wanting to learn more and more. I can watch a Benoit match and just block what he did out. I know it was horrible and all but i seperate the 2 as the wrestler and the man. I also just tend to watch a match for the sake of watching it and not invest much into who is in it, and instead wanna enjoy it.
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