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Post by T R W on Dec 14, 2015 10:21:24 GMT -5
Are people really complaining about Roman as a babyface attacking HHH? The same company that had mega face Austin giving Stunners to old men, women, old women, and generally innocent bystanders? The same Austin that held a gun to Vince's head in the ring?
Could they have had HHH go a little harder after Roman before pulling the trigger on it? Sure. But it's not like HHH hasn't been screwing with him for months, because he has. Plus it puts Roman in a match with HHH at the Rumble instead of in the Rumble, or in a title match. It wasn't a perfect segment, but these days it being even a slightly interesting segment is a drastic improvement.
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Post by MacReady on Dec 14, 2015 10:33:43 GMT -5
Are people really complaining about Roman as a babyface attacking HHH? The same company that had mega face Austin giving Stunners to old men, women, old women, and generally innocent bystanders? The same Austin that held a gun to Vince's head in the ring? Could they have had HHH go a little harder after Roman before pulling the trigger on it? Sure. But it's not like HHH hasn't been screwing with him for months, because he has. Plus it puts Roman in a match with HHH at the Rumble instead of in the Rumble, or in a title match. It wasn't a perfect segment, but these days it being even a slightly interesting segment is a drastic improvement. THIS THIS THIS! So much THIS!
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 14, 2015 10:35:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 10:40:25 GMT -5
Tanahashi is sexy.
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Post by Tyler Black on Dec 14, 2015 10:43:19 GMT -5
Are people really complaining about Roman as a babyface attacking HHH? The same company that had mega face Austin giving Stunners to old men, women, old women, and generally innocent bystanders? The same Austin that held a gun to Vince's head in the ring? Could they have had HHH go a little harder after Roman before pulling the trigger on it? Sure. But it's not like HHH hasn't been screwing with him for months, because he has. Plus it puts Roman in a match with HHH at the Rumble instead of in the Rumble, or in a title match. It wasn't a perfect segment, but these days it being even a slightly interesting segment is a drastic improvement. It's not so much "the baby face attacking the boss" it was more of the baby face not really having the proper motivation to beat him down like that. I mean Vince constantly ed with Austin and made his life hell. What has HHH really done to Reigns...
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Dec 14, 2015 10:43:25 GMT -5
The only bad part about the Reigns attack was that Triple H over sold the first few chair shots and made the whole thing look foolish. I don't know about you guys, but if somebody hit me in the back with a chair, I'm probably not going to jump straight up in the air and cannon ball the ring. That had me shaking my head, lol.
But I think going with a more brutal Reigns, one who doesn't TALK, or SMILE, or tell JOKES, is the way to go. Silent and violent is the only way to give Reigns any chance at getting over and saving his career. Any other way and the fans are just going to keep rejecting him and you either have to kill the push, or turn him heel.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 14, 2015 10:44:08 GMT -5
Not as much as Shinsuke tho.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 10:50:55 GMT -5
Why Would roman wanna shake HHHs hand at survior series? After everything the authority did to him and his family I wouldn't either.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 14, 2015 11:14:25 GMT -5
I get the arguments. That tweet sums it up perfectly, BUT...
Just viewing last night in a vacuum, I really enjoyed what they did. I was like "ok, cool" up to the point where Reigns walked up the ramp, but then he turned around and went back for more. At which point, I was like "yes!"
They built the entire show around getting Reigns over. The other two guys in the LoN won tonight so that when they attacked Reigns later in the show, Reigns would look stronger in defeat. Then Triple H put him over the rest of the way.
I'm not going to say what will and won't work moving forward, as we know WWE doesn't know how to write for Reigns, but last night was a really good moment for him, maybe his best ever since splitting from The Shield. I still think they want you to sympathize with him though, which is just idiotic. I wish they'd stop trying to go that route.
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Post by tiny04 on Dec 14, 2015 11:50:33 GMT -5
This is a version of Reigns I want to see. I just have 2 problems with how we got there.
1. He attacked HHH unprovoked. Triple H did not physically provoke Reigns. All of Roman's problems have been caused by others.
2. He completely no sold the fact that he was just in a brutal TLC match. He went through 3/4 tables, went through a ladder, fell off a ladder and finally got brogue kicked. He shouldn't have been able to walk, never mind attack 4 men on his own.
Under the right circumstances I would've been completely happy with that ending. It just has 2 major storyline flaws.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 14, 2015 12:31:06 GMT -5
Are people really complaining about Roman as a babyface attacking HHH? The same company that had mega face Austin giving Stunners to old men, women, old women, and generally innocent bystanders? The same Austin that held a gun to Vince's head in the ring? Could they have had HHH go a little harder after Roman before pulling the trigger on it? Sure. But it's not like HHH hasn't been screwing with him for months, because he has. Plus it puts Roman in a match with HHH at the Rumble instead of in the Rumble, or in a title match. It wasn't a perfect segment, but these days it being even a slightly interesting segment is a drastic improvement. You forgotbto mention HHH ed a corpse
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Post by The Yes Man on Dec 14, 2015 13:18:55 GMT -5
There really wasn't enough done to Reigns specifically by HHH to warrant that bad of a beating. It wasn't like Triple H has directly ed with Reigns. I mean what has H done directly to Reigns to deserve that? It was more of Reigns being a sore loser than a badass to me. The only thing I'm looking forward is heel HHH in a direct feud that leads to him getting in the ring. HHH needs to get his heat back however. I'm really looking forward to seeing how he does that. He needs to be a straight up evil mother er these next few weeks. Take out the Usos and Ambrose with a sledgehammer. Invite reigns into his office to talk things out and just beat the living crap out of him. Maybe have the league jump Reigns too. This might be able to really get reigns over, if handled right. So far it hasn't been handled right. Did you watch Survivor Series? HHH is basically the brain behind everything that Sheamus and The League of Nations do.
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Post by cripplercrossface on Dec 14, 2015 13:24:39 GMT -5
For me the way Roman has been booked, even up until the end of his TLC match, still has me not liking him at all. I just can't get behind the guy as "the guy" of the company. I think his character is too damaged beyond repair.
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Post by The IT Factor on Dec 14, 2015 13:27:52 GMT -5
It's about damn time we got that Reigns. If he had been this bad-ass killer from day one, instead of cutting promos about "magic beans," & "tater tots," he would be far more over than he is now. Now I'm gonna admit, I wouldn't be surprised if they drop the ball on this tonight, but regardless, this is how he should be booked.
Also, it does kinda makes sense for Reigns to attack Triple H. Haitch has screwed Reigns repeatedly over the last two years, so it makes sense for Roman to attack him last night.
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Post by J12 on Dec 14, 2015 13:36:01 GMT -5
I wasn't into it live, but I'll reserve final judgment until I watch it back on the Network.
WWE hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, though, so it's still very likely any positives will be entirely wiped away on tonight's Raw. It's now up to them to keep it up, not expect the crowd to honor what minimal equity they built up for one positive moment.
It's just as likely that by this time next week, last night's moment will be entirely irrelevant and Roman will have cut at least two more promos where he calls Sheamus a tater tot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 13:38:25 GMT -5
Are people really complaining about Roman as a babyface attacking HHH? The same company that had mega face Austin giving Stunners to old men, women, old women, and generally innocent bystanders? The same Austin that held a gun to Vince's head in the ring? Could they have had HHH go a little harder after Roman before pulling the trigger on it? Sure. But it's not like HHH hasn't been screwing with him for months, because he has. Plus it puts Roman in a match with HHH at the Rumble instead of in the Rumble, or in a title match. It wasn't a perfect segment, but these days it being even a slightly interesting segment is a drastic improvement. I wish I could like this more.
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Post by attitudesback on Dec 14, 2015 13:39:53 GMT -5
I liked it. I understand the negatives and do agree, but it was cool to see him beat the crap outta HHH. Hunter knew exactly how to put him over and did a fantastic job.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Dec 14, 2015 13:55:02 GMT -5
I liked what happened and don't see any issues with how it went down as of now. What it comes down to is how they try to explain or justify Reigns' beatdown on Triple H tonight on Raw. If they don't handle that well it's going to destroy this whole thing they have going for them.
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Post by Tyler Black on Dec 14, 2015 14:03:56 GMT -5
There really wasn't enough done to Reigns specifically by HHH to warrant that bad of a beating. It wasn't like Triple H has directly ed with Reigns. I mean what has H done directly to Reigns to deserve that? It was more of Reigns being a sore loser than a badass to me. The only thing I'm looking forward is heel HHH in a direct feud that leads to him getting in the ring. HHH needs to get his heat back however. I'm really looking forward to seeing how he does that. He needs to be a straight up evil mother er these next few weeks. Take out the Usos and Ambrose with a sledgehammer. Invite reigns into his office to talk things out and just beat the living crap out of him. Maybe have the league jump Reigns too. This might be able to really get reigns over, if handled right. So far it hasn't been handled right. Did you watch Survivor Series? HHH is basically the brain behind everything that Sheamus and The League of Nations do. Yeah I guess, but that really hasn't been made clear. It's not like Triple H is coming out with them, outside of survivor series I don't even remember him having any interaction with them
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Post by IRS on Dec 14, 2015 14:29:58 GMT -5
Not as much as Shinsuke tho. But are either as sexy as Adam Cole?
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