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Post by marino13 on Dec 19, 2015 11:13:02 GMT -5
Though I enjoyed RAW, all I could take away from it was...
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Post by attitudesback on Dec 19, 2015 11:57:25 GMT -5
Though I enjoyed RAW, all I could take away from it was... "Not a real crowd" is the best excuse yet. WWE papered 12k tickets or whatever it was just so Roman could appear over? IWC clutching at straws because they're finally starting to realise what Roman's character needs.
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Post by IRS on Dec 19, 2015 14:54:24 GMT -5
Though I enjoyed RAW, all I could take away from it was... "Not a real crowd" is the best excuse yet. WWE papered 12k tickets or whatever it was just so Roman could appear over? IWC clutching at straws because they're finally starting to realise what Roman's character needs. When people say that it wasn't a "real crowd", they don't mean that WWE planted the whole damn audience. It just means that the amount of hardcore fans who went to the show isn't as large as it would've been had the product been in a better state. Not that I necessarily subscribe to the theory, as I've noticed over recent years that the Philly crowds have been increasingly more tame than they're given credit for, but I don't think it's the most preposterous idea ever. I know that if RAW rolled through my town right now, I'm sure as hell not shelling out the money to go. Either way, it sure as hell wasn't the Rumble crowd, since the hardcore fans travel from all over for it.
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Post by attitudesback on Dec 19, 2015 15:03:39 GMT -5
"Not a real crowd" is the best excuse yet. WWE papered 12k tickets or whatever it was just so Roman could appear over? IWC clutching at straws because they're finally starting to realise what Roman's character needs. When people say that it wasn't a "real crowd", they don't mean that WWE planted the whole damn audience. It just means that the amount of hardcore fans who went to the show isn't as large as it would've been had the product been in a better state. Not that I necessarily subscribe to the theory, as I've noticed over recent years that the Philly crowds have been increasingly more tame than they're given credit for, but I don't think it's the most preposterous idea ever. I know that if RAW rolled through my town right now, I'm sure as hell not shelling out the money to go. Either way, it sure as hell wasn't the Rumble crowd, since the hardcore fans travel from all over for it. Hardcore fans or fans who just want it their way? Reigns wasn't ready at Rumble. Fans or not. They've taken him away from the title and booked him as a brutal madman the past week. He's been on the cusp for a whole damn year and now he's finally taking 0 crap he's won it. The slight change in character was all it took. Of course it wasn't the Rumble crowd, but that doesn't take away from the fact it was done well and was honestly one of the best Raw's in a long time. Unpredictable. Vince even came out to interrupt a match. It was all in the middle of nowhere. You couldn't say "Roman's on next" because it just happened. There were plenty of 'hardcore' fans there. There are hardcore fans every Raw. The crowd's for Rumble/SummerSlam/Mania are more likely going to be marks due to the PPV night before. Marks or not, they did a good job and put on a damn good show.
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Post by IRS on Dec 19, 2015 15:48:04 GMT -5
When people say that it wasn't a "real crowd", they don't mean that WWE planted the whole damn audience. It just means that the amount of hardcore fans who went to the show isn't as large as it would've been had the product been in a better state. Not that I necessarily subscribe to the theory, as I've noticed over recent years that the Philly crowds have been increasingly more tame than they're given credit for, but I don't think it's the most preposterous idea ever. I know that if RAW rolled through my town right now, I'm sure as hell not shelling out the money to go. Either way, it sure as hell wasn't the Rumble crowd, since the hardcore fans travel from all over for it. Hardcore fans or fans who just want it their way? Reigns wasn't ready at Rumble. Fans or not. They've taken him away from the title and booked him as a brutal madman the past week. He's been on the cusp for a whole damn year and now he's finally taking 0 crap he's won it. The slight change in character was all it took. Of course it wasn't the Rumble crowd, but that doesn't take away from the fact it was done well and was honestly one of the best Raw's in a long time. Unpredictable. Vince even came out to interrupt a match. It was all in the middle of nowhere. You couldn't say "Roman's on next" because it just happened. There were plenty of 'hardcore' fans there. There are hardcore fans every Raw. The crowd's for Rumble/SummerSlam/Mania are more likely going to be marks due to the PPV night before. Marks or not, they did a good job and put on a damn good show. I'm not denying the quality of RAW. However, I don't see what exactly changed about Reigns' character at all on RAW. TLC, sure. But on Monday he was right back out there making food-related testicle jokes again. The only time he was a "brutal mad man" was the final few minutes of TLC. And considering that company has deep-throated the fan base with Reigns for the past year, I don't see how anybody could take issue with them for not wanting to just accept it. Yay, 10 more years of them not letting anyone else get over, and punishing them if they do!
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Post by attitudesback on Dec 19, 2015 17:28:32 GMT -5
Hardcore fans or fans who just want it their way? Reigns wasn't ready at Rumble. Fans or not. They've taken him away from the title and booked him as a brutal madman the past week. He's been on the cusp for a whole damn year and now he's finally taking 0 crap he's won it. The slight change in character was all it took. Of course it wasn't the Rumble crowd, but that doesn't take away from the fact it was done well and was honestly one of the best Raw's in a long time. Unpredictable. Vince even came out to interrupt a match. It was all in the middle of nowhere. You couldn't say "Roman's on next" because it just happened. There were plenty of 'hardcore' fans there. There are hardcore fans every Raw. The crowd's for Rumble/SummerSlam/Mania are more likely going to be marks due to the PPV night before. Marks or not, they did a good job and put on a damn good show. I'm not denying the quality of RAW. However, I don't see what exactly changed about Reigns' character at all on RAW. TLC, sure. But on Monday he was right back out there making food-related testicle jokes again. The only time he was a "brutal mad man" was the final few minutes of TLC. And considering that company has deep-throated the fan base with Reigns for the past year, I don't see how anybody could take issue with them for not wanting to just accept it. Yay, 10 more years of them not letting anyone else get over, and punishing them if they do! He should've beat the crap outta Stephanie sure but he Superman punched Vince in his first appearance in a year, later just kicking him straight out of the ring. So you're saying because they couldn't figure it out straight away, we should reject him completely? WWE should book to pander to the IWC? I don't think so. They need to book multiple stars, sure. But, who is there worthy of it? Ambrose is perfect where he's at now, Rollins is injured, Sheamus.. just no (decent transitional champion to be fair to the guy) and Bryan who was considered a B+ player is also potentially out for life. All of the real worthy stars are injured (bar Owens - he'll get to WHC level soon) and so WWE have been forced to just give it to Reigns. They are limited at the minute due to injuries. When everyone returns, it kinda books itself. Rollins will be ridiculously over, Bryan too. There's 3 big guys you could push to the moon as well as Lesnar too. Hopefully, things are changing. It's too soon to be completely cynical about the World Title picture.
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