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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 18:31:04 GMT -5
No he wasn't. He was found "not guilty." BIG difference. The burden of proof in a criminal case is on the prosecution. Either they prove their case or they don't. Just because they didn't prove it doesn't automatically make him innocent. Look it up. With that said, I don't think Hogan is up for any criminal proceedings, is he? OJ lost in a civil case and the NFL still talks about him. You're innocent until proven guilty. He wasnt proven guilty therefore, he's innocent. Welcome to 'Merica. You said "innocent in a court of law." He was "not guilty" in a court of law. Courts of law don't determine innocence. As you just said, they either prove or don't prove guilt. He was presumed innocent before, during and after the trial. But the court had no hand in that presumption. It's not their function to prove a presumption. If I fail to PROVE that McDonald's makes the best fries, that doesn't mean that don't make the best fries. It just means I didn't prove it. Welcome to American Constitutional law. Besides, the OJ case you're referring to was a criminal case. Hogan is up in a civil case. Another big difference. OJ was found liable for the murders of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman in his civil case, yet the NFL still lauds his achievements. So why not the WWE with Hogan?
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 17, 2016 18:45:04 GMT -5
You're innocent until proven guilty. He wasnt proven guilty therefore, he's innocent. Welcome to 'Merica. You said "innocent in a court of law." He was "not guilty" in a court of law. Courts of law don't determine innocence. As you just said, they either prove or don't prove guilt. He was presumed innocent before, during and after the trial. But the court had no hand in that presumption. It's not their function to prove a presumption. If I fail to PROVE that McDonald's makes the best fries, that doesn't mean that don't make the best fries. It just means I didn't prove it. Welcome to American Constitutional law. Besides, the OJ case you're referring to was a criminal case. Hogan is up in a civil case. Another big difference. OJ was found liable for the murders of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman in his civil case, yet the NFL still lauds his achievements. So why not the WWE with Hogan? A synonym of "not guilty" is innocent, its 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other. You're just bitching to bitch at this point. Its irrelevant. Also at no point did I compare OJs criminal trial to Hogans civil lawsuit so its also irrelevant. As long as I get Hogan figures I dont care what WWE does. Thank you, you're welcome and good night.
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Post by JC Motors on Jan 17, 2016 19:17:25 GMT -5
I'd just like to state for the record that Dave Meltzer is not as reliable as some of you think he is. I don't believe anything he says
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Post by mrkool899 on Jan 17, 2016 19:48:53 GMT -5
You're innocent until proven guilty. He wasnt proven guilty therefore, he's innocent. Welcome to 'Merica. You said "innocent in a court of law." He was "not guilty" in a court of law. Courts of law don't determine innocence. As you just said, they either prove or don't prove guilt. He was presumed innocent before, during and after the trial. But the court had no hand in that presumption. It's not their function to prove a presumption. If I fail to PROVE that McDonald's makes the best fries, that doesn't mean that don't make the best fries. It just means I didn't prove it. Welcome to American Constitutional law. Besides, the OJ case you're referring to was a criminal case. Hogan is up in a civil case. Another big difference. OJ was found liable for the murders of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman in his civil case, yet the NFL still lauds his achievements. So why not the WWE with Hogan? You tell them Boss Man! Haha well off-topic but I'm sure you're gonna pick up the TRU Big Bossman figure coming out. I missed the Elite 14 one so this will be a must for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 20:04:44 GMT -5
You're innocent until proven guilty. He wasnt proven guilty therefore, he's innocent. Welcome to 'Merica. You said "innocent in a court of law." He was "not guilty" in a court of law. Courts of law don't determine innocence. As you just said, they either prove or don't prove guilt. He was presumed innocent before, during and after the trial. But the court had no hand in that presumption. It's not their function to prove a presumption. If I fail to PROVE that McDonald's makes the best fries, that doesn't mean that don't make the best fries. It just means I didn't prove it. Welcome to American Constitutional law. Besides, the OJ case you're referring to was a criminal case. Hogan is up in a civil case. Another big difference. OJ was found liable for the murders of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman in his civil case, yet the NFL still lauds his achievements. So why not the WWE with Hogan? Basically.. You can be found "not guilty" of vehicular manslaughter, but that doesn't mean you're innocent of killing the person. Also, the wwe wont praise hogan for strictly pr reasons. They're saving face
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Post by JC Motors on Jan 17, 2016 20:22:20 GMT -5
This whole thread has turned into an argument
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Post by gregrules420 on Jan 17, 2016 20:23:56 GMT -5
I'm going to the store who wants something lol
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Post by gregrules420 on Jan 17, 2016 20:27:16 GMT -5
All kidding aside I was never a Hogan fan but without Hogan there is no business and you have to respect Hogan... Legacy not the man Hogan as a man because of his racial slurs is less in my eyes but won't stop me from buying Hogan figures... and I don't even like Hogan I think he strangle held the business for a long time... But his heel turn helps his legacy even more and give you so many more toy options that it just makes financial sense to bring him back slowly and then let out toys slowly because you can go to some shelves right now and there's no Hogan's getting pulled from them
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Post by knupmc on Jan 17, 2016 20:32:13 GMT -5
How did a positive thread on the dm hogan maybe finally seeing the light of day turn into a whole argument about a guy who was never even in the wwe?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 21:26:15 GMT -5
You said "innocent in a court of law." He was "not guilty" in a court of law. Courts of law don't determine innocence. As you just said, they either prove or don't prove guilt. He was presumed innocent before, during and after the trial. But the court had no hand in that presumption. It's not their function to prove a presumption. If I fail to PROVE that McDonald's makes the best fries, that doesn't mean that don't make the best fries. It just means I didn't prove it. Welcome to American Constitutional law. Besides, the OJ case you're referring to was a criminal case. Hogan is up in a civil case. Another big difference. OJ was found liable for the murders of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman in his civil case, yet the NFL still lauds his achievements. So why not the WWE with Hogan? A synonym of "not guilty" is innocent, its 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other. You're just bitching to bitch at this point. Its irrelevant. Also at no point did I compare OJs criminal trial to Hogans civil lawsuit so its also irrelevant. As long as I get Hogan figures I dont care what WWE does. Thank you, you're welcome and good night. No they are not synonyms. "The absence of proof is not the proof of absence." If I don't prove that hamburgers taste good, that doesn't mean I prove they taste bad. Not guilty means not proven guilty. It doesn't mean proven innocent. It may be irrelevant, but you took quite a few posts to point that out. I said that from the beginning (Hogan's case is civl, not criminal). So we agree on that at least.
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Post by Rob7274 on Jan 17, 2016 22:44:29 GMT -5
All kidding aside I was never a Hogan fan but without Hogan there is no business and you have to respect Hogan... Legacy not the man Hogan as a man because of his racial slurs is less in my eyes but won't stop me from buying Hogan figures... and I don't even like Hogan I think he strangle held the business for a long time... But his heel turn helps his legacy even more and give you so many more toy options that it just makes financial sense to bring him back slowly and then let out toys slowly because you can go to some shelves right now and there's no Hogan's getting pulled from them Feel exactly the same. I was never a Hogan fan when I was a kid but still he has a legacy in Wrestling and I'd like it represented on my shelf.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Jan 17, 2016 22:57:03 GMT -5
Not that this means anything for sure (ie anything Jericho says on there) but Hogan himself is debunking these rumors on his Twitter account saying he has had no contact with WWE since his release. And claims he will only be at Mania 32 "in spirit". So , although he could potentially be trying to throw a swerve, he is claiming its not gonna happen. But i still believe, Wrestlemania or not, he will be back and we will eventually see more Hogan figures down the line.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Jan 17, 2016 23:12:28 GMT -5
Not that this means anything for sure (ie anything Jericho says on there) but Hogan himself is debunking these rumors on his Twitter account saying he has had no contact with WWE since his release. And claims he will only be at Mania 32 "in spirit". So , although he could potentially be trying to throw a swerve, he is claiming its not gonna happen. But i still believe, Wrestlemania or not, he will be back and we will eventually see more Hogan figures down the line. 1000x Agree
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Post by fzmadness on Jan 18, 2016 9:55:52 GMT -5
Bring him back. It is completely ridiculous he has been out this long. Other than being ignorant he hasnt exactly done anything punishable. And release that damn Hollywood Hogan!!
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Post by bigbalooka on Jan 18, 2016 11:39:13 GMT -5
id say its pretty likely we will see him back at some point, id say they could forgive Hogan if he publically apologized for his actions
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Post by Chewdeezy on Jan 18, 2016 13:33:56 GMT -5
Love rumor threads.
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Post by John1234 on Jan 18, 2016 14:00:38 GMT -5
i hope hulk hogan has a lawyer like harvey specter in the gawker lawsuit
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Post by JC Motors on Jan 18, 2016 16:47:15 GMT -5
I love how they just go around in circles
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Post by TheChamp420 on Jan 18, 2016 17:00:19 GMT -5
Sounds good! Let's get that NWO Hogan!
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Post by John1234 on Jan 18, 2016 17:10:06 GMT -5
Imo wwe are quite desperate to get him back and if he won the court case he'd be back in an instant
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