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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 30, 2016 1:29:35 GMT -5
Well, in the case of AJ Styles, he's done everything he can do outside of WWE. Now, when he's at the absolute top of his game as a total package performer, he's in the biggest wrestling promotion in the world. I could really argue the same for Aries and Joe, who aren't getting main roster treatment but have still done it all in ROH and TNA. It solidifies those names. It gives credence to those guys as performers. AJ Styles was always that guy that fans loved unconditionally that everyone outside of the TNA fanbase, and more recently the ROH/NJPW fanbase, said could never be in WWE, and look how wrong those people are right now. That makes me happy. Sure, it's a petty belief, but AJ deserves every bit of this run, and I've already seen him wrestle everyone under the sun outside of WWE. The world we live in now is vastly different than the world just a few years ago. CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins. We have Cesaro, Ambrose, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Finn Balor, Apollo Crews, and all of these guys are making a difference, and the fans enjoy them. All of these guys who so many of us have been ridiculed for enjoying outside of the WWE product, are now becoming the biggest stars inside the WWE. That means something. That validation is important and gives merit to the companies and talent all over the world who could one day fuel the WWE roster. I can see the argument for wanting guys to stick around if there is more for them to do, but you have to ask yourself, what's left? I look at a guy like Adam Cole, who could have conceivably left for WWE two and a half years ago. We wouldn't have gotten those Jay Briscoe matches, we wouldn't have gotten Mount Rushmore or the Kingdom, I wouldn't have seen those two matches from War of the Worlds, and I wouldn't have had the opportunity to see them revisit the Future Shock feud. But now? Now Mount Rushmore is over, now the Kingdom is over, now the Bullet Clubs time in ROH is done and I won't be seeing anymore AJ Styles vs Adam Cole matches... unless of course it happens in WWE, BAYBAY! Listen, Seth Rollins likely isn't ever going to have a match like he had with Davey at DBD8. But you know what, he's already had a half dozen classics with Dean Ambrose, he had an incredible match with John Cena and Brock Lesnar at Royal Rumble, the best match in WWE of 2015 imo, he won the WWE Title in the main event of WrestleMania in front of 76,000 people, and he got to wrestle Sting for the WWE Title, a guy who he dressed up as for Halloween when he was a kid. I mean that's not a movie Seth Rollins can make at IFC, this is a Buena Vista production. Nothing Rollins was ever going to do in Ring of Honor was ever going to compare to what he did at WrestleMania 31, period. I'm onboard with the idea that WWE limits pro wrestling. They work a far more conservative style of matches that have a formula that appeases a more simple type of fan. I don't mean that in a derogatory way, but what I mean is a fan who hasn't seen everything under the sun and can still buy into punch, kick, finisher. I saw Warrior vs Hogan, Bret vs Shawn, I was there when the NWO formed and when Sting became the hottest star in wrestling, I was there when DX started telling everyone to suck it, and when Austin drank his way to the top, and I was there when WCW folded, when we got Invasions, we saw the rise of a new wave of wrestlers like Brock, Eddie, Benoit, and Angle, and I was there when Cena became the next Hulk Hogan, and when Edge finally broke through the ceiling, and when CM Punk dropped a pipe bomb on the industry as a whole. I've seen 25 years of wrestling and at some point, you get sick of seeing WWE do what WWE does, which is why I absolutely love places like TNA, PWG, NJPW and ROH. The only reason I even know who AJ Styles is right now is because WWE bought WCW. That led me to watching World Wrestling All-Stars, which led me to TNA, which opened up a whole new world for me as a wrestling fan. I've kind of run off on a tangent here, but I'll try and wrap this up. WWE has a global reach. If I am a fan of guy, I want that guy to have as much success as humanly possible. The only company that gives you global recognition is WWE. Nobody is a bigger star than Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin. Austin had great matches in WCW, Hogan was great in Japan, but it was WWE that made those guys a household brand. There is only one place to make a film like Star Wars in the wrestling business and that's in WWE. First & foremost, EVERY promotion needs to limit the spot monkey shirt. My frustration comes from a failure to innovate in them aspect of creativity. I want clever wrestling, not video game acrobatic fighting. There is a much needed balance. Secondly, a great match in a less than grand setting beats the fool out of a so-so match at a Super-Card. Shane Koyzcan, for example, is my favorite spoken word/slam poet. Shane performed at the Winter Olympics opening ceremony, but his delivery wasn't his best. An amazing moment for him, his home nation of Canada, & for poetry in them public eye, but it wasn't his greatest performance. His greatest performance come at a storytelling festival in a Hotel Convention Hall/Auditorium type venue, where he performed "The Crickets Have Arthritis." It is one of the most sincere declaration of free-verse that has ever been uttered. My opinion of them piece has only improved, the more I study poetry. That's why Bret Hart amazed me as a teenager, when I first became a fan. Bret Heart's matches only got better as I learned. Hogan, Rock, Austin, & Cena's matches have become more insufferable. Moving on, I understand AJ going, & while Gallows was fired before, I'm sure he's happy to have his fat check back. And while Karl is probably happy to just collect the payday, Nakamura & Aries are them ones that baffle me the most.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 30, 2016 1:46:14 GMT -5
Because it's the only real studio in town. That was beautiful. A real love letter to the art of an Essayist's rebuttal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 1:46:57 GMT -5
How else are you going to feed all five kids. With a job. That's how.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 30, 2016 1:50:48 GMT -5
For the most part I enjoy the shows, I understand why they book guys a certain way, some people either refuse to believe or are too stupid to see. People act like WWE really dont know what they're doing, but you dont get to be the only horse in town by being clueless stupid. Some people focus more on what they would do, or how they think things should have happened, by the time they're bitched and complained theyve ruined the show for themselves. Their product is wrestling. That means the primary resource for their product is the wrestlers. WWF got all of it's talent from other territories. They treated Territories as talent mills. They shut down all them talent mills except for their own. They have almost killed every talent mill on earth. That's pretty stupid. And CM Punk said, Vince makes money in SPITE of himself.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 30, 2016 2:02:59 GMT -5
This is the most close minded opinion I've ever read on these forums. Glad that there's tons of talent out there that you've deprived yourself from. As for the original question, it's simple... Fans hope that with the signing of these talents, that the "powers that be" are finally seeing what we have/have wanted for YEARS and are finally taking the steps toward better the product for WRESTLING fans. You know what though? It really doesn´t affect you. I would not lose sleep over it. I have said over and over I am not a wrestling fan. Only a WWF fan. Way to paint the apple red there, buddy. You really contributed to the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 3:32:30 GMT -5
You know what though? It really doesn´t affect you. I would not lose sleep over it. I have said over and over I am not a wrestling fan. Only a WWF fan. Way to paint the apple red there, buddy. You really contributed to the thread. Because only opinions you agree with are the only contribution you accept. Personally wrestlers should wrestle elsewhere before they come to the big time to hone their craft. I just will not watch them. Much like AAA baseball. It is boring to me. I only watch the majors. If a wrestler never makes it to the WWF, they have failed to be at the top of their sport IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 6:44:37 GMT -5
WWE is the best place for a wrestler to be. National exposure, great money, and work 5 days a week.
And plus, you can basically guarantee that 90% of today's roster (excluding the football players and models who are "trying this wrestling thing out") grew up idolising the main guys of their generation and have always wanted to be in WWE and are now living out their dreams.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 30, 2016 6:59:17 GMT -5
Because it's the only real studio in town. That was beautiful. A real love letter to the art of a Essayist's rebuttal. You're welcome.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 30, 2016 8:23:42 GMT -5
For the most part I enjoy the shows, I understand why they book guys a certain way, some people either refuse to believe or are too stupid to see. People act like WWE really dont know what they're doing, but you dont get to be the only horse in town by being clueless stupid. Some people focus more on what they would do, or how they think things should have happened, by the time they're bitched and complained theyve ruined the show for themselves. Their product is wrestling. That means the primary resource for their product is the wrestlers. WWF got all of it's talent from other territories. They treated Territories as talent mills. They shut down all them talent mills except for their own. They have almost killed every talent mill on earth. That's pretty stupid. And CM Punk said, Vince makes money in SPITE of himself. I'm failing to see how thats stupid, yeah they've eliminated the competition, and they've got NXT where they're making stars, with some of the vet's theyve signed including Aries, Joe, Balor, Owen etc they'll hopefully go back to teaching in NXT when their in-ring career is over. Personally I dont see the harm in defeating all competition and then forming your own talent mill, to take from as you please, without having to worry about "poaching" talent from other companies.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jan 30, 2016 12:48:01 GMT -5
Because they can make more money there than anywhere else, be exposed to a whole new audience, and I can still enjoy their work on a weekly/monthly basis.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 30, 2016 13:30:19 GMT -5
That was beautiful. A real love letter to the art of a Essayist's rebuttal. You're welcome. My screen keyboard didn't register a letter, making it look as though I wrote "A essayist," when I meant "AN Essayist," so you win. Have a cookie.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 30, 2016 14:32:11 GMT -5
Their product is wrestling. That means the primary resource for their product is the wrestlers. WWF got all of it's talent from other territories. They treated Territories as talent mills. They shut down all them talent mills except for their own. They have almost killed every talent mill on earth. That's pretty stupid. And CM Punk said, Vince makes money in SPITE of himself. I'm failing to see how thats stupid, yeah they've eliminated the competition, and they've got NXT where they're making stars, with some of the vet's theyve signed including Aries, Joe, Balor, Owen etc they'll hopefully go back to teaching in NXT when their in-ring career is over. Personally I dont see the harm in defeating all competition and then forming your own talent mill, to take from as you please, without having to worry about "poaching" talent from other companies. It's terrible for the wrestling profession. How is that not obvious? I mean, sinceriously(Arrow) how do you not understand that a small number of territories is ultimately BAD!?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 15:30:22 GMT -5
Me personally the only reason why I want some of these guys in WWE is because it would be more easier for me to watch them.Watching some of my favorites like Ricochet and ACH in the Indies could be a pain sometimes and I'm not paying 20 bucks a DVD just to see them wrestle one match.I can see ACH on ROH but sometimes he's there and sometimes he's not so it's complicated.And of course Ricochet is in Lucha Underground so I have to search on Dailymotion just to watch that show itself and even then sometimes you'll find a new episode and sometimes it's not anywhere to be found.Although I perfer Ricochet to stay where he is because he's one of the top stars on that show and it would be a little selfish for me to have him jump ships now.But I'm fine with where they are now so if they never go to WWE I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.
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Post by Edge618 on Jan 30, 2016 15:37:21 GMT -5
Because WWE is the most easily accessible wrestling promotion on the planet with the biggest fan base. And the show is already beginning to change. It's in a slump right now with injuries but it will pick back up again. And it's not just about what I want. If the wrestlers them selves want to sign with WWE who am I to bitch about them doing so. If I'm a true fan of them I will follow them to where ever they go. Why should I sit around and say "I'm pissed so and so signed with WWE and made the best financial decision of his career when he could of stayed somewhere else so I could watch his match of the years on youtube while he makes half the money"
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