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Post by ricflair4ever on Feb 4, 2016 23:21:28 GMT -5
I buy some of Hasbros product. Star Wars, GI.Joe, some Transformers and Marvel. Most are quality, but their distribution on a lot of those has been horrid. Hell they barely had any product on the shelves for Force Awakens during the holidays....and its been a sow trickle ever since. What would bother me most if Hasbros think tank got control over the WWE line, would be the phasing out of legends/flashbacks. Hasbro has gotten less collector friendly over the last 2-3 years. I'd honestly rather the license go back to Jakks before that. But if ,and thats a BIG if, this were to actually happen ,hopefully mattel and hasbro would be able to honor their respective licenses seperately before throwing all their eggs into the same basket. Thus keeping everything very status quo and keeping everyone on all sides happy. All that being said, it would be cool to have Marvel and DC under the same banner for the first time since the Mego days.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Feb 5, 2016 1:42:45 GMT -5
I dunno, the two don't share similar business philosophies at all. While both companies make quality product most of the time, Mattel seems to maintain an open and welcoming environment from their fans, while conversely Hasbro seems to be very closed off and practices a general distain for the very customers who buy their product. Also Hasbro seems to take more shortcuts and tries to lessen the quality of figures while constantly raising prices. I'd say the exact opposite. Look at how they ran DCUC and MOTU into the ground, whereas Marvel Legends, Star Wars Black, and Transformers all seem to be doing great. How WWE is managed so well astounds me. Are you referring to MOTU now, or the 200X line? If the latter, I get what you're talking about. But to be fair, Hasbro did kill off the Legends line for a few years after they got the line.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 2:41:38 GMT -5
I'm sure Hasbro, the third largest toy company in the world would be very grateful for the business tips lads.
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Post by maske2g on Feb 5, 2016 3:13:25 GMT -5
Star wars black are dreadful. I took them five series to realise the bubbles dont stay on the card. The figures are average at best. Disney have already suppassed with their own figures. Star Wars Black series doesn't suck. (Well the 3.75 black figures suck.) I've been a huge Star Wars fan and I've collected 3.75 inch Star Wars figures since I was four years old, and hasbro drove 3.75 figures into the ground. It sucks. The 6" figures are enjoyable, but I wish they still produced quality 3.75 figures. They are sporadically and inconsistently released. There distribution is non existent QC sucks Prices are high There have been rereleases when we are missing dozens of important figures And now, just as its got started Disney have release a superior figure woth their Elites. But yep, they are great.
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Post by TheLastDude on Feb 5, 2016 3:49:19 GMT -5
Star Wars Black series doesn't suck. (Well the 3.75 black figures suck.) I've been a huge Star Wars fan and I've collected 3.75 inch Star Wars figures since I was four years old, and hasbro drove 3.75 figures into the ground. It sucks. The 6" figures are enjoyable, but I wish they still produced quality 3.75 figures. They are sporadically and inconsistently released. There distribution is non existent QC sucks Prices are high There have been rereleases when we are missing dozens of important figures And now, just as its got started Disney have release a superior figure woth their Elites. But yep, they are great.
The release waves average 3-5 figures every few months. A lot of toy lines follow this same structure. You have to keep in mind, Hasbro is limited now in what figures they can release due to Disney's iron fist. A lot of the EU stuff is out...so they can only really do the movies and the TV shows. They're putting in a bunch of repaints and second releases because that third version of Luke will probably still sell better than Nute Gunray at a 20 dollar price point.
The only two figures so far that seemed to skip retail were Anakin and the regular Clone Trooper. I'm not sure where you live, but those are the only two I never saw.
Any more than any other lines?
20 bucks is the average for an adult collectible figure now whether we like it or not. WWE Elites, Marvel Legends, DC Multiverse, a lot of NECA stuff, Funko Legacy Collection...all 20 bucks a piece.
While there are a lot of great characters (and different versions of already released characters) that I'd enjoy seeing, the only principle characters that haven't been released so far are Threepio, Lando, and Amidala.
The Disney figures are also limited store exclusive figures with a higher price point. If you think 20 bucks is too high, are you going to pay 25?
Yeah, overall they are.
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Post by maske2g on Feb 5, 2016 3:55:53 GMT -5
Actually Im English . So the price point is mute and If it was good I would pay it but Ive given up.
Here they are 21 gbp (30dollars) and the Disney ones are 20.
They 5-6 dollars more than we pay for WWE Elites.
I have multiple disney stores in London with excellent stock of even the post release exclusives. i dont see the black series lasting.
We still have Greedo and Leia black series at Toys R Us.
Of course we should get numerus Lukes. But did we need identical Chewy and Boba Fett? And a variety of Sandtroopers?
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Post by TheLastDude on Feb 5, 2016 4:12:20 GMT -5
Ok, well since you pretty much skipped over all the points I made and seem to want to keep harping on how great the Disney figures are, then go buy them. I don't know what else to tell you.
There is a wider variety of figures in the Black series than there is in the Disney series. That will most likely continue. Chances are good that the Black series isn't going anywhere. 2016 is the fourth year for the line.
You're in England. Of course your distribution sucks. You guys are always getting jacked around with price and distribution on almost EVERY toy line.
I think they only re-released Chewbacca in the TFA packaging because he's a major character in the new trilogy. It would make sense for MOC completists to be able to have him with their other figures. Boba Fett only had one retail release. He was repacked in later waves because he's a desirable figure and people had difficulty finding him at retail when he was first released. Same with the Sandtrooper. They repainted the pauldron black and re-released him because people wanted to army build with it.
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Post by maske2g on Feb 5, 2016 4:22:59 GMT -5
Ok, well since you pretty much skipped over all the points I made and seem to want to keep harping on how great the Disney figures are, then go buy them. I don't know what else to tell you. There is a wider variety of figures in the Black series than there is in the Disney series. That will most likely continue. Chances are good that the Black series isn't going anywhere. 2016 is the fourth year for the line. You're in England. Of course your distribution sucks. You guys are always getting jacked around with price and distribution on almost EVERY toy line. I think they only re-released Chewbacca in the TFA packaging because he's a major character in the new trilogy. It would make sense for MOC completists to be able to have him with their other figures. Boba Fett only had one retail release. He was repacked in later waves because he's a desirable figure and people had difficulty finding him at retail when he was first released. Same with the Sandtrooper. They repainted the pauldron black and re-released him because people wanted to army build with it. Actually I counter pointed every one.
Disney have been releasing figures for much less time. They don't need Hasbro any more. Why pay a middle man when you can make your own?
Actually, the WWE Mattel distribution in the UK is 10 times better than anywhere else in the world. Smyths Toys are class for that. Prices are only expensive because of currency weakness. When they came out in 2010 Elites were the 12.99 gbp, or 17 dollars now.
I'm not a major fan of Disney, I can just see what's coming. I have the Rey and Kylo Ren Black series and Disney Elites, and there is no comparison in terms of quality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 8:57:36 GMT -5
Star Wars Black series doesn't suck. (Well the 3.75 black figures suck.) I've been a huge Star Wars fan and I've collected 3.75 inch Star Wars figures since I was four years old, and hasbro drove 3.75 figures into the ground. It sucks. The 6" figures are enjoyable, but I wish they still produced quality 3.75 figures. They are sporadically and inconsistently released. There distribution is non existent QC sucks Prices are high There have been rereleases when we are missing dozens of important figures And now, just as its got started Disney have release a superior figure woth their Elites. But yep, they are great. I HATE the Disney elite series. I hate them so much. There are screws in the back which is what kills it for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 9:29:53 GMT -5
This is hilarious; everyone thinking that the companies are merging. That's not way they're planning on doing. The plan for the merger is to capitalize on other types of options they don't normally have. Perfect example; before Disney owned Lucasfilm, they had a merger together. This allowed them to do things like Muppets Star Wars merchandise. Kermit as Luke Skywalker, Piggy as Leia, stuff like that. That's how they were able to also do things like release exclusives, like Mickey and Minnie dressed as Luke and Leia. It merged certain ideas together. At that time, Disney and Star Wars were still their own separate entities.
They would do something similar with their owned products. Probably the most popular would be things like Star Wars themed Barbies, etc. We'd probably see Barbie and Ken as Luke and Leia, or something similar.
Wwe stuff isnt going to be touched and were not going to see Hasbro make WWE figures.
Perfect example of how things get so blown out of proportion on these boards.
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Post by maske2g on Feb 5, 2016 10:21:24 GMT -5
This is hilarious; everyone thinking that the companies are merging. That's not way they're planning on doing. The plan for the merger is to capitalize on other types of options they don't normally have. Perfect example; before Disney owned Lucasfilm, they had a merger together. This allowed them to do things like Muppets Star Wars merchandise. Kermit as Luke Skywalker, Piggy as Leia, stuff like that. That's how they were able to also do things like release exclusives, like Mickey and Minnie dressed as Luke and Leia. It merged certain ideas together. At that time, Disney and Star Wars were still their own separate entities. They would do something similar with their owned products. Probably the most popular would be things like Star Wars themed Barbies, etc. We'd probably see Barbie and Ken as Luke and Leia, or something similar. Wwe stuff isnt going to be touched and were not going to see Hasbro make WWE figures. Perfect example of how things get so blown out of proportion on these boards. Yes, because Bloomberg are interested in transforming Barbies.....
Hasbro, Mattel Said to Have Held Talks About Possible Merger
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 10:42:43 GMT -5
This is hilarious; everyone thinking that the companies are merging. That's not way they're planning on doing. The plan for the merger is to capitalize on other types of options they don't normally have. Perfect example; before Disney owned Lucasfilm, they had a merger together. This allowed them to do things like Muppets Star Wars merchandise. Kermit as Luke Skywalker, Piggy as Leia, stuff like that. That's how they were able to also do things like release exclusives, like Mickey and Minnie dressed as Luke and Leia. It merged certain ideas together. At that time, Disney and Star Wars were still their own separate entities. They would do something similar with their owned products. Probably the most popular would be things like Star Wars themed Barbies, etc. We'd probably see Barbie and Ken as Luke and Leia, or something similar. Wwe stuff isnt going to be touched and were not going to see Hasbro make WWE figures. Perfect example of how things get so blown out of proportion on these boards. Yes, because Bloomberg are interested in transforming Barbies.....
Hasbro, Mattel Said to Have Held Talks About Possible Merger
It's a merger. Both companies would still exist on their own. It's not a straight buy out of one company or another. They're merging to take their top products and combine them for more interest in the market. As the article said, Mattel has a strong female toy base and Hasbro has a stronger make base. By merging, their products can reach out to others and help both companies grow in areas that they are weaker in. Don't know why people are thinking that the 2 companies will become 1 company. That's not how this will play out
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Post by marino13 on Feb 5, 2016 13:01:32 GMT -5
I almost laughed out loud the other day when I opened up the fan survey and they said they wanted to talk about wrestling figures. They asked when the last time I bought a wrestling figure was. The shortest time frame was within the last 3 months. I wanted to say within 3 days, but it wasn't an option. They asked where I like to buy figures the most. Mentioned TRU, Target, & Walmart. And for online I mentioned Ebay and I especially put over Ringside. Praised Ringside and their service the most.
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Post by East Coast on Feb 5, 2016 13:07:01 GMT -5
mattel/hasbro merging would certainly save Sgt Slaughter a lot of grief
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Post by BCizzle on Feb 5, 2016 23:12:11 GMT -5
Both companies have their flaws, as I buy figures from both and have seen them first hand. My fear is that if the two combined, it would be a company with all the flaws combined, and we would get crappier figures for higher prices.
Competition benefits consumers - monopolies do not. And yet we have a world that is filling up with monopolies everywhere, the rich getting richer and everybody else getting shoved down.
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Post by JC Motors on Feb 5, 2016 23:26:42 GMT -5
I don't see this happening
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Post by mrbiggs on Feb 6, 2016 0:38:06 GMT -5
Star Wars Black series doesn't suck. (Well the 3.75 black figures suck.) I've been a huge Star Wars fan and I've collected 3.75 inch Star Wars figures since I was four years old, and hasbro drove 3.75 figures into the ground. It sucks. The 6" figures are enjoyable, but I wish they still produced quality 3.75 figures. They are sporadically and inconsistently released. There distribution is non existent QC sucks Prices are high There have been rereleases when we are missing dozens of important figures And now, just as its got started Disney have release a superior figure woth their Elites. But yep, they are great. I own every single 6" Star Wars Black figure made so far, multiples of most, and I have not had one single quality control issue since I started collecting them. I used to collect Mattel WWE figures (sold everything off except for a few I am giving to a buddy of mine) and had crappy joints, horrible paint apps, parts falling off... you name it! Star Wars Black figures, 6" anyway, are the best figures made today. Prices are high?! They cost $20 each... just like Mattel Elites! Distribution on the figures are just as good or better than WWE waves. I have actually seen every wave of Star Wars Black figures to date, and until just a week or so ago, I hadn't seen anything new from Mattel in stores... as far as WWE stuff goes... since E39! I'd say Mattel being absorbed by Hasbro would be the best possible thing for Mattel.
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Post by mrbiggs on Feb 6, 2016 0:42:26 GMT -5
This is hilarious; everyone thinking that the companies are merging. That's not way they're planning on doing. The plan for the merger is to capitalize on other types of options they don't normally have. Perfect example; before Disney owned Lucasfilm, they had a merger together. This allowed them to do things like Muppets Star Wars merchandise. Kermit as Luke Skywalker, Piggy as Leia, stuff like that. That's how they were able to also do things like release exclusives, like Mickey and Minnie dressed as Luke and Leia. It merged certain ideas together. At that time, Disney and Star Wars were still their own separate entities. They would do something similar with their owned products. Probably the most popular would be things like Star Wars themed Barbies, etc. We'd probably see Barbie and Ken as Luke and Leia, or something similar. Wwe stuff isnt going to be touched and were not going to see Hasbro make WWE figures. Perfect example of how things get so blown out of proportion on these boards. If I EVER see Barbie or Ken as ANYONE from Star Wars, I will freakin' throw myself off a bridge... cliff... whatever it takes to actually KILL ME!
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Post by maske2g on Feb 6, 2016 6:34:58 GMT -5
They are sporadically and inconsistently released. There distribution is non existent QC sucks Prices are high There have been rereleases when we are missing dozens of important figures And now, just as its got started Disney have release a superior figure woth their Elites. But yep, they are great. I own every single 6" Star Wars Black figure made so far, multiples of most, and I have not had one single quality control issue since I started collecting them. I used to collect Mattel WWE figures (sold everything off except for a few I am giving to a buddy of mine) and had crappy joints, horrible paint apps, parts falling off... you name it! Star Wars Black figures, 6" anyway, are the best figures made today. Prices are high?! They cost $20 each... just like Mattel Elites! Distribution on the figures are just as good or better than WWE waves. I have actually seen every wave of Star Wars Black figures to date, and until just a week or so ago, I hadn't seen anything new from Mattel in stores... as far as WWE stuff goes... since E39! I'd say Mattel being absorbed by Hasbro would be the best possible thing for Mattel. Dude, you really should try to get the full picture of the thread before jumping in feet first!! I'm sure it's great getting them easily, in America, paying dollars and that....but I'm not American!!! In the uk all of the above are dreadful. I do agree that the Mattel QC has rapidly declined. But I do also have some poor Black series QC issues. And like you, I have them all. Don't misunderstand me. I really WANT to love the series!!
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Post by maske2g on Feb 6, 2016 6:40:22 GMT -5
I don't see this happening We will see a lot of it happening in a lot of industries I'm afraid. I work in Banking. EVERYTHING about our business is about cost saving, and not revenue generation. We are cutting business not because it makes money, but because it's costs are too high. I worked on the merger of Bank Of America and Merrill Lynch, and the reasons they bought ML instead of Lehman brothers was because they had strengths (Equities) that were different to BOA's and Lehmans (Retail and mixed bag) It's the same for Mattel and Hasbro, they would get to take advantage of each others strengths, not just in products, but marketing, sales, distribution. And then trim the fat of what doesn't work. The economic recovery of the last 7 years is down to printed money, and not really production of wealth. Companies have not improved, but their share prices have, which is an anomaly. That's enough of today's boring lesson.....
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