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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Apr 22, 2016 16:10:56 GMT -5
We're used to faces being cheered and heels being booed that's the natural order in pro wrestling.
Cena came along and got this mixed reaction, which in itself is something to behold the fact that half the audience is chanting "Cena sucks" and the other half is chanting "Let's Go Cena" the whole audience is paying attention, love or hate him.
To us as fans that makes us think Cena isn't the best person to have at the top, Do WWE recognise that reaction as one that isn't "good" or are they using that mixed reaction as a "hey look, everyone is entitled to their opinion here!" Kinda thing turning a negative into a positive?
Reigns has taken the role as Mr. Mixed reaction, but I'm wondering is that gimmick gonna be something that's carried on.
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Post by King Richius on Apr 22, 2016 16:28:03 GMT -5
Well, there is the old saying that any reaction is better than no reaction. But sometimes I don't think that is true if the reaction is based more on the direction of the product than a reaction to the wrestler's character.
The reaction to Cena is one where love him or hate him, you do want to see him. Those who love him want to see the incredible comeback, the five moves of doom, and a Cena win. Those who hate him want to see him lose, preferably a clean loss. That is good for business.
The reaction to Reigns is not the same. Those who are booing him don't want to see him lose; they don't want to see him in the title picture or, in the case of the more extreme anti-Reigns fans, they don't want to see him at all. If Reigns continues to get pushed because of the negative reaction, it could be bad for business as those people tune out whenever Reigns is on. I've read stories where people were leaving WM before the main event ended (maybe somebody who was there can confirm). That is NOT what the WWE wants and they need to change how they are handling Reigns to stop it from happening.
Edit: Ugh, I hate when I re-read something I wrote and I don't like how I said it. When referring to what fans want from Reigns I want to be clear. The fans who are booing him don't care if he wins or loses. They want him out of the title picture if not completely gone.
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Post by Darkhawk on Apr 22, 2016 16:36:21 GMT -5
There's more boo's for Roman than there is for Cena. It gets so bad that WWE has to mute the boo's out like they did at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Matt on Apr 22, 2016 19:52:43 GMT -5
First of all there's a difference to Reigns and Cena getting booed.
Cena gets booed because of the character he has.
Reigns gets booed because people genuinely don't like him as a person.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 5:04:01 GMT -5
People boo cena because he's been the same for so long. People boo reigns because the majority of fans don't want him to be the guy or feel he is deserving of his position, which he isn't.
They're incomparable and I'd hardly call reigns reaction mixed like Cena's.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Apr 23, 2016 8:45:23 GMT -5
Mixed reaction?  ? This is a guy being hated because he's in the position he's in all because Vince has a hard on for him and even casual fans realize it because of how obvious they've made it that they want him to be THE guy. The guy that nobody wants. This is a mixed Reaction and it's only like that because some people just have fun hating Cena and singing along with the song. |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Apr 23, 2016 11:49:22 GMT -5
First of all there's a difference to Reigns and Cena getting booed. Cena gets booed because of the character he has. Reigns gets booed because people genuinely don't like him as a person. How can you dislike someone you don't even know? Disliking a character is fine but it's pathetic to hate the person who portrays the character if you don't know them personally.
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Post by Dex on Apr 23, 2016 12:00:29 GMT -5
Cena is a lot more talented and deserving of his position than Reigns is. I think all wrestling fans have a degree of respect for John Cena - most of his hate stems from his character rather than him as a wrestler. I think it's universally agreed that Cena should have been the golden boy, whether he over-stayed his welcome is debatable. Reigns on the other hand, does not have the support from the general audience to be what Cena was, yet the WWE and creative continues to force it.
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Post by bosox3 on Apr 23, 2016 12:11:36 GMT -5
because people genuinely don't like him as a person?? HAHA those are some really Pathetic people then.
Its become "the Thing" to do...booing Roman. Get over it people, the boo's do nothing.
and being at as many live events as I have..There is tons of mixed reactions to him. They boo him coming out since everyone else is..but yet, he gets cheers on many things he does in the ring.
They go back and forth...those people are SHEEP
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Apr 23, 2016 12:47:39 GMT -5
because people genuinely don't like him as a person?? HAHA those are some really Pathetic people then. Its become "the Thing" to do...booing Roman. Get over it people, the boo's do nothing. and being at as many live events as I have..There is tons of mixed reactions to him. They boo him coming out since everyone else is..but yet, he gets cheers on many things he does in the ring. They go back and forth...those people are SHEEP For some people it's fun to boo Roman the same way it was fun to shout yes at Daniel Bryan.
However I was at a WWE show on Wenesday and Roman got a mixed reaction. He was fighting Sheamus and people cheered everytime he did a move on him. Maybe it was because people dislike Sheamus.
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Post by Infinite on Apr 24, 2016 3:29:47 GMT -5
The thing is, accepting mixed reactions as part of modern WWE is fine. I don't mind it at all. Personally I think the whole thing would be much better off if we blurred the lines way more and dropped the face/heel thing almost altogether.
My issue comes when they play up to the mixed reaction thing AND tamper with the reaction the guy gets. You COULD have a really cool thing going with the whole tweener (god I hate that phrase) Reigns thing. He COULD be a pretty innovative character in this sense. But when you're muffling his reaction because it's negative, and your commentary team is constantly on his dick, but you're also pushing this idea that it doesn't matter if you like him or not, it suffers from the biggest pitfall most of WWE's ideas these days face: it feels like it's being orchestrated by a committee.
The idea behind having these neutral characters is that you allow characters to develop organically, and for the audience to react organically. When you PRESENT a character in this way, but simultaneously make it very obvious to said audience that "YOU SHOULD LIKE THIS GUY CUZ AFTER WE FAILED TO CONVINCE YOU TO LIKE HIM WE'VE NOW DECIDED HE DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK AND IS COOL AND STUFF", people are gonna see through that and see that it is exactly what it's been for years. They're being told who to like, while being told that they aren't being told who to like.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 24, 2016 9:06:10 GMT -5
I think the days of a clear cut good guy and a despicable bad guy are long gone. Fans cheer the heels and boo the faces. So it only makes sense to blur the lines a bit.
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Post by K5 on Apr 24, 2016 10:49:36 GMT -5
i think this has a lot to do with the 'old boys' of the wwe's mentality on what sells and what doesn't. ithey remain adamant that they get what's happening and that we're just unsophisticated fans who think they know what we want but don't. they openly insult our intelligence.
the internet fans are, albeit slowly, winning the war. and it will be worth it in the end once the kevin dunns' and michael hayes' careers bite the dust. and the wrestling world will rejoice.
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 24, 2016 18:12:57 GMT -5
First of all there's a difference to Reigns and Cena getting booed. Cena gets booed because of the character he has. Reigns gets booed because people genuinely don't like him as a person. Cena Can use a gimmick change |
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 24, 2016 18:19:42 GMT -5
i think this has a lot to do with the 'old boys' of the wwe's mentality on what sells and what doesn't. ithey remain adamant that they get what's happening and that we're just unsophisticated fans who think they know what we want but don't. they openly insult our intelligence. the internet fans are, albeit slowly, winning the war. and it will be worth it in the end once the kevin dunns' and michael hayes' careers bite the dust. and the wrestling world will rejoice. If the "internet" fans win the war, wrestling may slowly die. A lot of things the "smart" fans want to happen are things that the casual fans won't enjoy. |
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Post by Mox on Apr 24, 2016 18:23:03 GMT -5
First of all there's a difference to Reigns and Cena getting booed. Cena gets booed because of the character he has. Reigns gets booed because people genuinely don't like him as a person. How can you dislike someone you don't even know? Disliking a character is fine but it's pathetic to hate the person who portrays the character if you don't know them personally.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but Reigns doesn't really play a "character." He's basically himself in crappy riot gear. So the fans do dislike him, because there is seemingly no difference between the real him and his character. |
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Post by K5 on Apr 24, 2016 19:26:42 GMT -5
i think this has a lot to do with the 'old boys' of the wwe's mentality on what sells and what doesn't. ithey remain adamant that they get what's happening and that we're just unsophisticated fans who think they know what we want but don't. they openly insult our intelligence. the internet fans are, albeit slowly, winning the war. and it will be worth it in the end once the kevin dunns' and michael hayes' careers bite the dust. and the wrestling world will rejoice. If the "internet" fans win the war, wrestling may slowly die. A lot of things the "smart" fans want to happen are things that the casual fans won't enjoy. in terms of talent that the 'smart' fans have backed, they have an unparalleled track record. the style that companies like roh helped create is revolutionizing the work rate and becoming the must-see style within the wwe. all of the most exciting aspects of the wwe currently revolve around talent that the 'smart' fans have been backing for years. 'smart' fans are just the most dedicated fans. of course they know what the industry needs most, because what they want most is what the industry needs to do. |
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Post by hbchris on Apr 25, 2016 2:39:38 GMT -5
People could love Reigns if he was packaged properly. He was awesome in the Shield, remember? But that's before he was the obvious top guy. But as soon they started shoving him down our throats, pretending he's an underdog when he's been carefully groomed and spoon-fed every opportunity to be on top, a lot of people turned on him, and for good reason. It's ironic that he's supposed to be fighting authority when it's so obvious he's the ideal corporate poster-boy... I think that's why he's booed more than anything. And that's why fans do like to get behind the true underdogs who aren't supposed to be the top guy, like Bryan and Ambrose. IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 7:23:47 GMT -5
How in the hell can fans hate Roman as a person? Wtf did he do to any of us? We don't know him personally. AT ALL!
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Post by PJ on Apr 25, 2016 8:16:06 GMT -5
I don't think they care if he, Cena or anyone else is booed or cheered. And honestly whether it is for fun (Cena chants)or for their distain for the WWE's direction (Reigns) they shouldn't. It would be their biggest mistake if they ran their company by the fans reactions.
Today's generation of fans have a mentality of they should get what they want when they want it. And if the WWE listened to that every match would be Ambrose vs Ambrose for the title. Then once they gave them that the fans would then turn on them again demanding Owens vs Owens.
As long as fans are filling the seats and subscribing to the Network they should just keep doing what they are doing. Remember unless it starts affecting their profits any reaction is a good reaction.
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