hbchris
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Post by hbchris on May 3, 2016 22:54:44 GMT -5
I kinda got the feeling that he never got the position he wanted because he had an attitude that didn't sit well with management. And I don't think this is gonna help.
Personally, I was never much of a fan, especially after one of his Mark Henry matches where he couldn't lift him properly. I was worried he was seriously gonna hurt someone after that.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 23:14:09 GMT -5
Between his attitude (which is clearly not good), his below average wrestling skills, his history of being dangerous in the ring and him not being able to get over with the audience (at least anymore)... him leaving is a best case scenario for the WWE.
Yip yip yip.
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Post by Planktung on May 3, 2016 23:46:01 GMT -5
All the haters on the net will jump on his bandwagon once he starts wrestling the indies and japan. If he performs consistently on the indie scene the way he did at Payback, him gaining fans is warranted. I'm not all that keen on Ryback, but he had a hell of a match with Kalisto and showed a veteran-like instinct when he saved him from a bad fall. It's not "bandwagon jumping" as much as it's being able to see what someone can do without the restrictions of WWE.
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Post by WalterF on May 4, 2016 3:55:48 GMT -5
I was never the biggest fan in the world BUT what is without debate is the fact that at a certain point he was very very over and if booked/handled correctly he could have become a very big, consistent main event performer - which WWE needs as many as possible since it seems like a constant battle of who the crowd wants over vs who vince wants over. Ultimately, he is another victim of adhd, awful and non-logical booking practices. He can likely do well in Japan
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on May 4, 2016 8:46:50 GMT -5
Let's all get the violins out for Rycrap. Seems like he has the same issues with company position and creative as the person he takes great pride in mocking nowadays. The difference, is that Punk's grievances were justified, given that he was the absolute best talent in the company and wasn't being used as such - while Ryback is a joke in comparison. Ryback is in the exact position someone of his level of talent should be. Ryback has no cause for complaint, because during his career, he's been given more than someone of such limited ability ever deserved. Yeah, maybe it's wrong that "winners" and top stars get paid more, but Reeves knew what he was getting into, when he signed with Vince.
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Post by J12 on May 4, 2016 10:07:29 GMT -5
I don't mean to knock Ryback here, but, for a guy who is trying to be taken seriously, that was pretty poorly written.
Secondly, much of what he says is contradictory, and, if I'm understanding him properly, incorrect.
What I'm reading is that he thinks that it's some sort of cut and dry formula where winners get paid more than losers. That's simply not true. The formula, in theory at least, is that you get yourself/the company gets you over, and when that happens, you start winning more matches, which leads to more opportunities, and in turn, more money. You don't get paid more because you win matches. You get paid more because the company sees value in you as a talent and believes that you can draw money, the same way the ladder of any corporation works. Winning matches is correlated to that, but it's not the cause. The idea that everyone on the roster should be paid equally is sort of delusional. From a talent/drawing perspective, there are guys who are simply worth more than others, period. If WWE paid everyone like a top guy, they'd go out of business. If they paid everyone a middle of the road salary, they wouldn't have top guys. If they paid everyone a bottom barrel salary for the sake of being "equal", Ryback (and the entire roster above him) would have some really justifiable grievances, really quickly.
The argument he could make, and I'm not saying he'd be entirely justified in this case either, is that his pay/push was not proportional to the amount of asses he perceives he's putting in seats and how much merchandise he's selling. Even still, that's arguing for himself, not for the entire locker room. It just doesn't make sense.
With all of that being said, I don't discredit the validity of his issues. He's obviously got some trademark disputes going on as well. I just think the way in which he presented them to the public, in what was really his only chance to get ahead of the issue, was convoluted and poorly worded.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on May 4, 2016 15:39:58 GMT -5
I kinda got the feeling that he never got the position he wanted because he had an attitude that didn't sit well with management. And I don't think this is gonna help. Personally, I was never much of a fan, especially after one of his Mark Henry matches where he couldn't lift him properly. I was worried he was seriously gonna hurt someone after that. If you're referring to the end of their WM 29 match...that was the planned ending. Ryback has lifted Khali and Big Show up before, I'm sure Mark Henry wouldn't have been a problem for him.
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Post by JC Motors on May 4, 2016 17:43:25 GMT -5
RybackV1 is probably upset
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hbchris
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Post by hbchris on May 4, 2016 20:46:52 GMT -5
Nah, it wasn't that one, but I do feel like it was a few months before that, because I was worried about it going into that match. I suppose it might not even have been Mark Henry, but someone smaller. Eh, it's all vague now. I kinda got the feeling that he never got the position he wanted because he had an attitude that didn't sit well with management. And I don't think this is gonna help. Personally, I was never much of a fan, especially after one of his Mark Henry matches where he couldn't lift him properly. I was worried he was seriously gonna hurt someone after that. If you're referring to the end of their WM 29 match...that was the planned ending. Ryback has lifted Khali and Big Show up before, I'm sure Mark Henry wouldn't have been a problem for him.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on May 5, 2016 19:08:53 GMT -5
I don't mean to knock Ryback here, but, for a guy who is trying to be taken seriously, that was pretty poorly written. Secondly, much of what he says is contradictory, and, if I'm understanding him properly, incorrect. What I'm reading is that he thinks that it's some sort of cut and dry formula where winners get paid more than losers. That's simply not true. The formula, in theory at least, is that you get yourself/the company gets you over, and when that happens, you start winning more matches, which leads to more opportunities, and in turn, more money. You don't get paid more because you win matches. You get paid more because the company sees value in you as a talent and believes that you can draw money, the same way the ladder of any corporation works. Winning matches is correlated to that, but it's not the cause. The idea that everyone on the roster should be paid equally is sort of delusional. From a talent/drawing perspective, there are guys who are simply worth more than others, period. If WWE paid everyone like a top guy, they'd go out of business. If they paid everyone a middle of the road salary, they wouldn't have top guys. If they paid everyone a bottom barrel salary for the sake of being "equal", Ryback (and the entire roster above him) would have some really justifiable grievances, really quickly. The argument he could make, and I'm not saying he'd be entirely justified in this case either, is that his pay/push was not proportional to the amount of asses he perceives he's putting in seats and how much merchandise he's selling. Even still, that's arguing for himself, not for the entire locker room. It just doesn't make sense. With all of that being said, I don't discredit the validity of his issues. He's obviously got some trademark disputes going on as well. I just think the way in which he presented them to the public, in what was really his only chance to get ahead of the issue, was convoluted and poorly worded. This actually, quite succinctly, summises my exact thoughts. Ryback looks like a complete fool and hypocrite. To say it's not about money when that's clearly the crux of his issues is denial. You don't get paid on wins, you get paid on your ability to feel arenas, sell tickets and pull ratings. As much as he likes to construe that PPV record as showing him jobbing all the time, that's false because he has been pushed the better part of the last 3-4years with the exception of the tag run and losses were attributed to him being screwed over in the most believable fashion because he was facing top tier talent and champions such as Punk. Ryback tends to win on a regular basis. He can not say WWE have denied him the opportunity, he has been given countless and too many more for my liking. It he has failed at them forcing them to push him further down the card. Injuries and a lacking has forced the company to lose faith. I understand they would be creatively inhibiting, but his other arguments are simply invalid.
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Post by revolution on May 5, 2016 21:01:19 GMT -5
Nah, it wasn't that one, but I do feel like it was a few months before that, because I was worried about it going into that match. I suppose it might not even have been Mark Henry, but someone smaller. Eh, it's all vague now. If you're referring to the end of their WM 29 match...that was the planned ending. Ryback has lifted Khali and Big Show up before, I'm sure Mark Henry wouldn't have been a problem for him. don't remember the time frame exactly but he did struggle lifting Tensai
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 21:13:52 GMT -5
Lmao someone post the Cameron comments and backlash about this.
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Post by cmiller79 on May 5, 2016 21:45:34 GMT -5
Lmao someone post the Cameron comments and backlash about this. she is so funny
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Post by Mox on May 5, 2016 21:47:01 GMT -5
What's Cameron saying?
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Post by DIESEL on May 5, 2016 21:47:44 GMT -5
"WHAT IS RYFRONT DOING IN THE IMPACT ZONE?!"
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on May 6, 2016 0:05:28 GMT -5
Nah, it wasn't that one, but I do feel like it was a few months before that, because I was worried about it going into that match. I suppose it might not even have been Mark Henry, but someone smaller. Eh, it's all vague now. don't remember the time frame exactly but he did struggle lifting Tensai I remember that, while he did have a tough time with him. Tensai seemed to have mistimed his jump, which seemed to have not helped the situation at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 4:31:22 GMT -5
And nothing of value was lost
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Post by Sizzle on May 6, 2016 6:28:45 GMT -5
One of my favorite on the roster. Hope he stays.
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Post by madness86 on May 6, 2016 7:18:31 GMT -5
He'll be out of a job,out on the streets going to soup kitchens saying FEED ME MOREEE
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Post by Gone. on May 6, 2016 7:21:00 GMT -5
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