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Post by The Future on May 24, 2016 9:26:57 GMT -5
What I mean is, before the Cena feud- what had Rusev done besides beat up a bunch of black guy mid-carders? Lol he was built to get fed to Cena. And what has he done since? I love Rusev, he is hilarious but ever since getting flattened by Cena he has not done anything. Actually, he's been in a WWE film, had some of the most entertaining comedic stuff, gotten rewarded for getting engaged to a great talent (where others might be made an example of for ruining a storyline), got put in a stable that WAS the focal point of RAW for almost 3 months, won a match against New Day and got stunned at WM & is a 2-time US champ on his way to another solid feud with an upper-carder after Kalisto is dispatched. I could honestly think of worse recent runs for Cena adversaries. He's not gone the way of Umaga or Tensai, friend...
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Post by #DI-WHY? on May 24, 2016 9:29:34 GMT -5
Thursday night seems LIT!
Kalisto vs Rusev for the US title
Cesaro vs The Miz for the IC title
and two more MitB qualifying matches!
It's gonna be awesome!
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Post by Chip on May 24, 2016 10:38:43 GMT -5
im not against Rollins being a heel, he's obviously good at it. it's the REASON for him staying a heel that is the problem.
it's for no reason other than to make sure Reigns stays "the guy"
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Post by Bandalero on May 24, 2016 10:40:28 GMT -5
what's the deal with Shane's limp wrist and index finger pointing?
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Post by bigshab421 on May 24, 2016 11:14:27 GMT -5
Lol he was built to get fed to Cena. And what has he done since? I love Rusev, he is hilarious but ever since getting flattened by Cena he has not done anything. Actually, he's been in a WWE film, had some of the most entertaining comedic stuff, gotten rewarded for getting engaged to a great talent (where others might be made an example of for ruining a storyline), got put in a stable that WAS the focal point of RAW for almost 3 months, won a match against New Day and got stunned at WM & is a 2-time US champ on his way to another solid feud with an upper-carder after Kalisto is dispatched. I could honestly think of worse recent runs for Cena adversaries. He's not gone the way of Umaga or Tensai, friend... True, but what I'm saying is that he was built as a destroyer only to get fed to Cena, and like so many others do after a feud with Cena, floundered in the lower card for a long time until recently. The League of Nations may have been featured but they were not the focal point. All I'm saying is WWE has this habit of building guys up unstoppably only to lose to Reigns and/or Cena and have nothing to do for months at a time after.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 11:28:50 GMT -5
Well I can't trust anyone because of the amount of hate Charlotte gets. Yet another performer wfigs has suddenly mass turned on. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they give her mic time because she is the champion. Her promos are no worse than any of the other divas, they can't really cut interesting promos.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 12:13:36 GMT -5
Sir it means that you lost a match where people wanted you to win. lmao yeah I forgot that if you lose a match the internet says you get buried It means you lose a match that kills any momentum. Let's think, John Cena beats Damien Sandow after Sandow cashes in his MITB John Cena beats Bray Wyatt at WrestleMania Zack Ryder wins IC title at Mania ladder match, then loses it the next night How about Ryback's main event run, then slowly moving down the card and turning heel after WrestleMania 29 This sir is what "buried" means
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 12:15:39 GMT -5
im not against Rollins being a heel, he's obviously good at it. it's the REASON for him staying a heel that is the problem. it's for no reason other than to make sure Reigns stays "the guy" I agree. I think WWE missed a big opportunity for Rollins to turn face. The reaction he got when he came back at Extreme Rules, the "welcome back" chants last night, he would easily be their top face
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Post by Bandalero on May 24, 2016 12:24:29 GMT -5
im not against Rollins being a heel, he's obviously good at it. it's the REASON for him staying a heel that is the problem. it's for no reason other than to make sure Reigns stays "the guy" I agree. I think WWE missed a big opportunity for Rollins to turn face. The reaction he got when he came back at Extreme Rules, the "welcome back" chants last night, he would easily be their top face agree with both of you. I don't like or dislike Roman Reigns, and I can't figure out why they've hitched their wagon on this guy - if merch sales is the driving factor, did they do a cost-benefit analysis to see the potential $ they could make off of a face Rollins vs heel Reigns? You can giving me every description out their for what booking is, but it is a principle that there will always be more money when there's an over babyface chasing a heel champion.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 12:29:21 GMT -5
I agree. I think WWE missed a big opportunity for Rollins to turn face. The reaction he got when he came back at Extreme Rules, the "welcome back" chants last night, he would easily be their top face agree with both of you. I don't like or dislike Roman Reigns, and I can't figure out why they've hitched their wagon on this guy - if merch sales is the driving factor, did they do a cost-benefit analysis to see the potential $ they could make off of a face Rollins vs heel Reigns? You can giving me every description out their for what booking is, but it is a principle that there will always be more money when there's an over babyface chasing a heel champion. The thing with Rollins is that he'd be a top seller even as a heel, but you're right, he'd sell much more merch as a face. Which has me to believe sales isn't the driving factor for keeping Rollins heel, it's just to keep Reigns as "the guy"
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 13:38:36 GMT -5
lmao yeah I forgot that if you lose a match the internet says you get buried It means you lose a match that kills any momentum. Let's think, John Cena beats Damien Sandow after Sandow cashes in his MITB John Cena beats Bray Wyatt at WrestleMania Zack Ryder wins IC title at Mania ladder match, then loses it the next night How about Ryback's main event run, then slowly moving down the card and turning heel after WrestleMania 29 This sir is what "buried" means I get where you're going, but this was all stemmed from saying Cena and Reigns bury people. I will give you Sandow. He must've really pissed someone off. Bray wasn't buried at WrestleMania. He lost the series 1-2, with a tainted victory. Nonetheless, he was still hot, it was the post Cena booking that killed any momentum that he had. Cena can be blamed for some but certainly not all of it. Zack Ryder has been buried for years. Terrible booking buried Ryback, yes. I don't see how Styles has been buried at all in WWE. He had a great debut on ppv to a great pop, the announcers have put him over, he's gotten over with his wrestling, he's a horrible promo but he's still gotten over since he's been there. He lost to Jericho at Mania. Here's how I see it, if he beats Jericho everyone would have said it didn't mean anything because Fandango blah blah blah. Jericho is still a top performer, as he has proved, and he won and it shocked everyone. Styles wasn't hurt a bit by it, imo. Next night on Raw, he pins Jericho clean to become the new #1 contender for the title He's heavily featured, puts on great matches Has two straight main event matches for the title, and both were very good matches. Did Reigns kick out of too many finishers? Yes, he did. BUT I still don't think it hurt Styles. People talk about Roman getting most of the offense in, but look at the ending. Styles is still going toe to toe with a bigger guy who hasn't sustained as much punishment as himself. People will look way too much into things trying to nitpick every possible problem but they don't see obvious things because they're too focused on what they feel like is the negative. Styles isn't on the Brock or Taker schedule. He's full time, and possibly dealing with some injuries. It's not smart to put the belt on a guy who is hurt and is working through nagging injuries. Especially the back, based off things I have read. May not be all true, but I do take that into consideration as well. He may be working towards a massive beatdown angle from the Club and maybe Styles gets a few weeks off and possibly returns to team up with Balor vs The Club? Who knows? I feel like too many people will focus on all the negatives about WWE. Imagine if we all focused on the negatives in our own lives. We'd likely all be miserable I'm Jim Cornette, and that's my opinion.
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Post by J12 on May 24, 2016 14:19:04 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the Shane podcast? The Network thread is relatively dead, but I didn't see anyone really discussing it in here all that much.
Shane seemed immensely guarded and short to me when asked about his relationship with Stephanie and Hunter. He seemed pretty forthright and honest throughout most of the show, but this was one area where it felt to me like he wasn't comfortable and/or not being entirely truthful.
An interesting interview all around, though I didn't find it to be particular ground-breaking. I think Austin might have been able to coax a little more out of him.
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Post by Ember's Flame on May 24, 2016 15:02:14 GMT -5
Cena vs. The Club Rivalry incoming...
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Post by Edge618 on May 24, 2016 15:16:06 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the Shane podcast? The Network thread is relatively dead, but I didn't see anyone really discussing it in here all that much. Shane seemed immensely guarded and short to me when asked about his relationship with Stephanie and Hunter. He seemed pretty forthright and honest throughout most of the show, but this was one area where it felt to me like he wasn't comfortable and/or not being entirely truthful. An interesting interview all around, though I didn't find it to be particular ground-breaking. I think Austin might have been able to coax a little more out of him. I felt the same, but after thinkinf about it, it may have been done purposely if theyre planning on Steph turning on Shane when HHH returns, and if they have plans for a HHH vs Shane match as well. Wouldve kinda hurt that feud if he said him and HHH are best pals.
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Post by Dan on May 24, 2016 16:48:02 GMT -5
Absolutely mindblown that they are simply using Rollins as another digit and pawn to feed to Reigns for a couple of months. He could of been as big of a babyface as Triple H was in 2002, but once again they are so stubborn on Reigns that this whole feud is already a mess, I've just about lost the will to keep persisting now. You have a feud that could be so, so good if they just let it play out naturally. You saw the reaction Rollins got, and we know the reaction Reigns is constantly getting, no matter what City he is in. Yet the scripted roles are reversed to what they're meant to be, and there's zero long term booking involved. I've not got the energy for it anymore. We're getting the inevitable Roman Reigns vs John Cena passing of the torch and christening of the almighty chosen one at either Summerslam or Wrestlemania 33 and that's all that matters.
Then there's the Bullet Club angle, which has already fallen flat on its face and lost all the aura it had. You can just see it petering out and just resulting in Finn Balor coming to AJ's rescue from Gallows & Anderson. Another waste of an arrival.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on May 24, 2016 18:23:15 GMT -5
He could of been as big of a babyface as Triple H was in 2002. So, a terrible babyface who makes his big feud more about his dog and wife than his opponent or the title, has a string of bad main events and has to turn heel again a few months after returning?
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Post by #DI-WHY? on May 24, 2016 18:40:07 GMT -5
He could of been as big of a babyface as Triple H was in 2002. So, a terrible babyface who makes his big feud more about his dog and wife than his opponent or the title, has a string of bad main events and has to turn heel again a few months after returning? Or like how a certain someone made his big fued all about his cousins?
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Post by k5 on May 25, 2016 1:59:01 GMT -5
when aj styles said the whole 'reigns is one of the best i've gone with in the ring...' bit, it sounded exactly like someone having to give an apology that they didn't mean. lol
good main event. wish they wouldn't have aj doing bumps like the powerbomb on the stairs when his back is reportedly a recurring issue, they didn't even oversell it properly on the mic/in how the match played out imo.
rollins being back is a good thing. kind of forcing him to stay heel is a really questionable move though.
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Post by bigshab421 on May 25, 2016 7:09:46 GMT -5
I just still don't understand the point of having Rollins stay heel. No matter what city they are in, Reigns is unanimously being booed and each one of his opponents cheered.
If they are feeding Rollins to Reigns anyways, let Reigns get real heat by being the heel and beating him. They shouldn't have their "#1 babyface" being booed out of each city.
Even though I love Rollins/Owens/Cass&Enzo/etc.. I just don't know how much longer I can keep investing my time into WWE on a weekly basis. I'm constantly underwhelmed with Raw, PPV's oft leave me confused or straight disappointed, and the fact that outside of Reings/Cena there is ZERO long term booking strategy for any guys.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 8:02:01 GMT -5
So, a terrible babyface who makes his big feud more about his dog and wife than his opponent or the title, has a string of bad main events and has to turn heel again a few months after returning? Or like how a certain someone made his big fued all about his cousins? Since when was Reigns head of creative?
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