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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 10:54:11 GMT -5
I passed on this fig. Don't need it. I already have 2 Excellent HbK elites: WM30 and Network Spotlight.
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Post by codeezie on Jun 1, 2016 11:11:35 GMT -5
They don't put Kneepads because they would cover over the detail they painted on that part of his attire. Whether it be hearts or zebra detail. RSC ex. got Kneepads, likely only because it's flat white underneath. But the knee pads are the same design. As far as E19, the could have not painted underneath and put the logo on the knee pads. The other ones, they should have just made Zebra kneepads. They make custom knee pads all of the time. D Bry comes to mind. If it's part of the attire, why not include it? For everyone who disagrees with me (which seems to be few - by the way I got "warned" for calling someone and idiot, my bad didn't know that was a rule) - can someone justify no elbow pads on Bret? That is a PREMIUM Wrestlemania Heritage Elite Figure. Most Basics come with elbow pads. There's no excuse! Also, the proof is in the pudding that they are getting cheaper with their tactics. Edge series 1 - retail $15 - came with elbow pads for when you take the jacket off. Edge RSC, for whatever cost - doesn't, includes the same generic aviators everyone gets, and doesn't even have the silver buckles painted on the jacket! An easy fix, but why wasn't it taken care of? It's just a lack of attention to detail. Either that or just saying screw it. Either way is unacceptable for the price we are paying for these things. Honestly this wouldn't be THAT big of an issue if Mattel made kneepads and other accessories more accessible to the public for purchase. Sure, my Shawns, Terry Funk, and Bret all look how they should now - but now there are two Austins and a Wade Barrett of mine with no pads at all. I paid for those figures as well and now THEY look dumb. I love Mattel's figures. I love their lines. I will continue to collect and enjoy what they put out. But this type of stuff will also continue to annoy me and I have the right to mention it. It just seems lazy. They do SUCH a good job. They include SO much detail and try SO hard. Why skimp on something so small?
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Post by codeezie on Jun 1, 2016 11:13:53 GMT -5
You're complaining about 3 details that weren't on a toy. You made a thread to complain. There has been countless threads on these same issues, it's been brought up many times. Why are you being condescending about it being a "toy"? We all know what it is. This is a forum for wrestling toys. And guess what fella, you're on it - and you commented on my thread. I'm fairly new here. And I'm sure it has been brought up plenty of times because it's an important issue that annoys paying consumers. Maybe you don't care - that's fine. I want to see the product improve.
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Post by RybackV1 on Jun 1, 2016 12:06:04 GMT -5
They don't put Kneepads because they would cover over the detail they painted on that part of his attire. Whether it be hearts or zebra detail. RSC ex. got Kneepads, likely only because it's flat white underneath. But the knee pads are the same design. As far as E19, the could have not painted underneath and put the logo on the knee pads. The other ones, they should have just made Zebra kneepads. They make custom knee pads all of the time. D Bry comes to mind. If it's part of the attire, why not include it? For everyone who disagrees with me (which seems to be few - by the way I got "warned" for calling someone and idiot, my bad didn't know that was a rule) - can someone justify no elbow pads on Bret? That is a PREMIUM Wrestlemania Heritage Elite Figure. Most Basics come with elbow pads. There's no excuse! Also, the proof is in the pudding that they are getting cheaper with their tactics. Edge series 1 - retail $15 - came with elbow pads for when you take the jacket off. Edge RSC, for whatever cost - doesn't, includes the same generic aviators everyone gets, and doesn't even have the silver buckles painted on the jacket! An easy fix, but why wasn't it taken care of? It's just a lack of attention to detail. Either that or just saying screw it. Either way is unacceptable for the price we are paying for these things. Honestly this wouldn't be THAT big of an issue if Mattel made kneepads and other accessories more accessible to the public for purchase. Sure, my Shawns, Terry Funk, and Bret all look how they should now - but now there are two Austins and a Wade Barrett of mine with no pads at all. I paid for those figures as well and now THEY look dumb. I love Mattel's figures. I love their lines. I will continue to collect and enjoy what they put out. But this type of stuff will also continue to annoy me and I have the right to mention it. It just seems lazy. They do SUCH a good job. They include SO much detail and try SO hard. Why skimp on something so small? Idk. I try not to let it bother me as much. There's also another complaint inalways see about "painted flesh" and I'm just like huh??? Trust me I feel ya on a level. I used to HATE when I'd but I new CM Punk elite and have to swap out those Kneepads over the bulkly top of the boots. Let alone trying to squeeze the smaller pads over them. Ugh. But hey. I still love my entire collection and try not to let the little parts bother me. we could be still stuck with Rey Mysterios as tall as Undertakers. Mattel is my favorite figure line ever and the only time I've ever been this into collecting anything. Also yes. Calling any member anything insulting is an immediate warn and ban. (Trust me I'd know)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 12:12:09 GMT -5
I think the kick pads should be a bigger issue than the knee pads, considering Michaels wore thin, leather slide-on boots similar to Slater or Hawk...not thick foam kickpads...and the fact that Michaels kneepads were barely even noticeable due to all the hearts.
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Post by braaaaaaaapp on Jun 1, 2016 13:02:27 GMT -5
I think the kick pads should be a bigger issue than the knee pads, considering Michaels wore thin, leather slide-on boots similar to Slater or Hawk...not thick foam kickpads...and the fact that Michaels kneepads were barely even noticeable due to all the hearts. As a motocross racer myself, I assure his boots were not thin nor slide ons haha. His SS95 were TR boots and his 97 boots were Oneal. Motocross boots are heavy duty man.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 1, 2016 13:21:38 GMT -5
Only thing I ever get out of threads like this is that people dont understand the concept of budgets and gross margins.
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Post by Matt Tell on Jun 1, 2016 13:36:03 GMT -5
You're complaining about 3 details that weren't on a toy. You made a thread to complain. There has been countless threads on these same issues, it's been brought up many times. Why are you being condescending about it being a "toy"? We all know what it is. This is a forum for wrestling toys. And guess what fella, you're on it - and you commented on my thread. I'm fairly new here. And I'm sure it has been brought up plenty of times because it's an important issue that annoys paying consumers. Maybe you don't care - that's fine. I want to see the product improve. It's been brought up multiple times, they can't include it in the budget. Obviously you weren't aware that a budget is in place.
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Post by codeezie on Jun 1, 2016 13:53:05 GMT -5
Why are you being condescending about it being a "toy"? We all know what it is. This is a forum for wrestling toys. And guess what fella, you're on it - and you commented on my thread. I'm fairly new here. And I'm sure it has been brought up plenty of times because it's an important issue that annoys paying consumers. Maybe you don't care - that's fine. I want to see the product improve. It's been brought up multiple times, they can't include it in the budget. Obviously you weren't aware that a budget is in place. I just said why it's been brought up plenty of times. People have an issue with it. Stop repeating yourself. I personally would rather pay an extra dollar or two to have all of the stuff included. It's cheaper than buying a basic fig just for pads + acrylic paint, decals, brushes, etc. The bottom line is they are raising prices and taking things away. Increasing the profit margin obviously. Don't do egregious things like put a picture of Bret Hart on the front of the box with elbow pads on and not include them. That is highly annoying as a consumer. Someone mentioned this earlier - what if a Batman figure came without the bat logo on his chest even though it was pictured on the box? Wouldn't that be irritating? Would that raise some questions in your mind as a loyal customer? The whole Elite line was based around "authentic ring attire". And as time has gone on, the figures have become more expensive and less authentic. Maybe you are fine with that. I just brought it up for discussion. I don't expect anything to change or for you to jump on board with me. I really don't care what you think at all. I'm sharing my opinion about these figures that I love. I want to see the product improve, like I've said. Clearly many others feel the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 14:23:27 GMT -5
I think the kick pads should be a bigger issue than the knee pads, considering Michaels wore thin, leather slide-on boots similar to Slater or Hawk...not thick foam kickpads...and the fact that Michaels kneepads were barely even noticeable due to all the hearts. As a motocross racer myself, I assure his boots were not thin nor slide ons haha. His SS95 were TR boots and his 97 boots were Oneal. Motocross boots are heavy duty man. He didn't wear thick motocross boots in 1997-2005, he wore thin leather slide on boots, notice Jericho has thick foam kickpads compared to Michaels thin short leather boots:
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Jun 1, 2016 15:10:47 GMT -5
It's been brought up multiple times, they can't include it in the budget. Obviously you weren't aware that a budget is in place. I just said why it's been brought up plenty of times. People have an issue with it. Stop repeating yourself. I personally would rather pay an extra dollar or two to have all of the stuff included. It's cheaper than buying a basic fig just for pads + acrylic paint, decals, brushes, etc. The bottom line is they are raising prices and taking things away. Increasing the profit margin obviously. Don't do egregious things like put a picture of Bret Hart on the front of the box with elbow pads on and not include them. That is highly annoying as a consumer. Someone mentioned this earlier - what if a Batman figure came without the bat logo on his chest even though it was pictured on the box? Wouldn't that be irritating? Would that raise some questions in your mind as a loyal customer? The whole Elite line was based around "authentic ring attire". And as time has gone on, the figures have become more expensive and less authentic. Maybe you are fine with that. I just brought it up for discussion. I don't expect anything to change or for you to jump on board with me. I really don't care what you think at all. I'm sharing my opinion about these figures that I love. I want to see the product improve, like I've said. Clearly many others feel the same way. Here is the difference with that idea. Batman, need his cape and logo. They are very much a part of him. Shawn Michaels isn't known for his knee pads. Bret hart isn't know for his elbow pads. While I'd love it if things that they did wear were always included with the figures. Sometimes it's just not going to happen. Be it due to other more important accessories coming with the figure. Budget for the line being ste up by another figure. Or the budget for that figure was used up by making sure it had specific paint apps or correct parts I'll gladly sacrifice smaller things for the figure to be as close to accurate as possible.
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Post by codeezie on Jun 1, 2016 15:14:19 GMT -5
I just said why it's been brought up plenty of times. People have an issue with it. Stop repeating yourself. I personally would rather pay an extra dollar or two to have all of the stuff included. It's cheaper than buying a basic fig just for pads + acrylic paint, decals, brushes, etc. The bottom line is they are raising prices and taking things away. Increasing the profit margin obviously. Don't do egregious things like put a picture of Bret Hart on the front of the box with elbow pads on and not include them. That is highly annoying as a consumer. Someone mentioned this earlier - what if a Batman figure came without the bat logo on his chest even though it was pictured on the box? Wouldn't that be irritating? Would that raise some questions in your mind as a loyal customer? The whole Elite line was based around "authentic ring attire". And as time has gone on, the figures have become more expensive and less authentic. Maybe you are fine with that. I just brought it up for discussion. I don't expect anything to change or for you to jump on board with me. I really don't care what you think at all. I'm sharing my opinion about these figures that I love. I want to see the product improve, like I've said. Clearly many others feel the same way. Here is the difference with that idea. Batman, need his cape and logo. They are very much a part of him. Shawn Michaels isn't known for his knee pads. Bret hart isn't know for his elbow pads. While I'd love it if things that they did wear were always included with the figures. Sometimes it's just not going to happen. Be it due to other more important accessories coming with the figure. Budget for the line being ste up by another figure. Or the budget for that figure was used up by making sure it had specific paint apps or correct parts I'll gladly sacrifice smaller things for the figure to be as close to accurate as possible. By the same token - Shawn Michaels isn't "known" for an orange ladder. But he ALWAYS wears kneepads! Just like Batman and his cape. Your comparison sucks! He's not "known" for his little shoulder thingy at Badd Blood, that was a one time deal. He's not "known" for his Euro-title run. It's a tiny part of his legacy. Yet they included those. Where are the kneepads!? He may not be "known" for them but he wore them every time he performed! Bret Hart may not be "known" for wearing elbow pads, but he's "known" to have worn them every freakin' time we ever saw him! Including the photo on the box! Nice try man, but, NAH.
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Post by Showstopper on Jun 1, 2016 15:21:00 GMT -5
He wore motocross boots in the 1990s (1992-1998) and regular wrestling boots that looked like his former motocross boots in his 2000s run.
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Jun 1, 2016 15:32:54 GMT -5
Here is the difference with that idea. Batman, need his cape and logo. They are very much a part of him. Shawn Michaels isn't known for his knee pads. Bret hart isn't know for his elbow pads. While I'd love it if things that they did wear were always included with the figures. Sometimes it's just not going to happen. Be it due to other more important accessories coming with the figure. Budget for the line being ste up by another figure. Or the budget for that figure was used up by making sure it had specific paint apps or correct parts I'll gladly sacrifice smaller things for the figure to be as close to accurate as possible. By the same token - Shawn Michaels isn't "known" for an orange ladder. But he ALWAYS wears kneepads! Just like Batman and his cape. Your comparison sucks! He's not "known" for his little shoulder thingy at Badd Blood, that was a one time deal. He's not "known" for his Euro-title run. It's a tiny part of his legacy. Yet they included those. Where are the kneepads!? He may not be "known" for them but he wore them every time he performed! Bret Hart may not be "known" for wearing elbow pads, but he's "known" to have worn them every freakin' time we ever saw him! Including the photo on the box! Nice try man, but, NAH. "Little shoulder thingy" his entrance gear is well known and sets him apart from many. While his euro run isn't amazing. I'd personally rather get a nice belt . Orange ladder... big deal in a historic match he had... I'd much rather all those things than knee pads... While it would be so easy to say something like NAH your opinion sucks. I'm going to skip that and let you continue on your rant. I'll sit over here and continue to enjoy my hobby and not let it aggrivate me and become a chore.
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Post by codeezie on Jun 1, 2016 15:41:36 GMT -5
By the same token - Shawn Michaels isn't "known" for an orange ladder. But he ALWAYS wears kneepads! Just like Batman and his cape. Your comparison sucks! He's not "known" for his little shoulder thingy at Badd Blood, that was a one time deal. He's not "known" for his Euro-title run. It's a tiny part of his legacy. Yet they included those. Where are the kneepads!? He may not be "known" for them but he wore them every time he performed! Bret Hart may not be "known" for wearing elbow pads, but he's "known" to have worn them every freakin' time we ever saw him! Including the photo on the box! Nice try man, but, NAH. "Little shoulder thingy" his entrance gear is well known and sets him apart from many. While his euro run isn't amazing. I'd personally rather get a nice belt . Orange ladder... big deal in a historic match he had... I'd much rather all those things than knee pads... While it would be so easy to say something like NAH your opinion sucks. I'm going to skip that and let you continue on your rant. I'll sit over here and continue to enjoy my hobby and not let it aggrivate me and become a chore. I love collecting figs, brother. Always have, always will. You know damn well they should include knee pads. His entrance gear is well known - but that was a "one time" piece of gear while knee pads were worn every damn match. And if the entrance gear is so iconic (which it is, undoubtedly), where was it in the Network fig? Oh right, the ladder was there. SO iconic. An orange ladder. No knee pads. No entrance gear. 45 yr old Shawn on the box. It's okay to criticize something you love, bud. It doesn't make your love any less real. I bought 2 of the Network figs. I bought E19. I bought RSC Shawn (which is damn near FLAWLESS). And I'm in the market for a WM XXX Shawn, even though there is no knee pads. I guess I'm just an idealist for wanting a basic piece of gear that almost every superstar has (most basics) on an ELITE premium level figure of one of the best ever. My bad!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 16:47:00 GMT -5
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The orange ladder was pretty crappy in my opinion. It should have been tall with silver steps.
Anyways, I can live with E19 HBK. I just want to see more HBKs from that era.
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Jun 1, 2016 16:57:26 GMT -5
I'm not one to complain about a figure. To me it doesn't matter if it's authentic. I preorders that figure and enjoyed having it in my collection since.
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Post by Matt Tell on Jun 1, 2016 17:14:22 GMT -5
"Little shoulder thingy" his entrance gear is well known and sets him apart from many. While his euro run isn't amazing. I'd personally rather get a nice belt . Orange ladder... big deal in a historic match he had... I'd much rather all those things than knee pads... While it would be so easy to say something like NAH your opinion sucks. I'm going to skip that and let you continue on your rant. I'll sit over here and continue to enjoy my hobby and not let it aggrivate me and become a chore. I love collecting figs, brother. Always have, always will. You know damn well they should include knee pads. His entrance gear is well known - but that was a "one time" piece of gear while knee pads were worn every damn match. And if the entrance gear is so iconic (which it is, undoubtedly), where was it in the Network fig? Oh right, the ladder was there. SO iconic. An orange ladder. No knee pads. No entrance gear. 45 yr old Shawn on the box. It's okay to criticize something you love, bud. It doesn't make your love any less real. I bought 2 of the Network figs. I bought E19. I bought RSC Shawn (which is damn near FLAWLESS). And I'm in the market for a WM XXX Shawn, even though there is no knee pads. I guess I'm just an idealist for wanting a basic piece of gear that almost every superstar has (most basics) on an ELITE premium level figure of one of the best ever. My bad! Elite 19 Shawn gave us two new accessories, which the mold for those took up a nice piece of the budget. The European title was one of the best things to come from that set. Be grateful with what you have. Bitching over knee pads isn't doing you, or anyone else any justice.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 1, 2016 17:18:42 GMT -5
Most of HBK's knee pads were the same color/design as his tights. I've noticed when that's the case Mattel will not include (WMXXX, E19, Network). When the color and design doesn't match then they'll include (RSC, Legends Rockers, Basic RR Heritage). I understand the exclusion. If they can save some money by not producing pads that's gonna blend in with the attire and barely be noticeable and give you something else within the budget they would've spent on em then I'm fine with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 20:33:04 GMT -5
People going insane over knee pads needs to stop.
If he did have knee pads, im sure you'd whine about them being wrong or causing issues while posing the figure.
Mattel owes you nothing for adding to it. You chose to (probably poorly done) put knee pads on it.
Prices change and budgets change. We know nothing of how money is delt within mattel or the wwe line.
These are $20 toys marketed towards children, not some $90 japanese import
Also..
E19 is a perfect figure.
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