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Post by y13 on Jun 19, 2016 23:42:22 GMT -5
Clearly the triple threat is Summerslam worthy, and that's the ideal spot for the match, but after tonight it's almost impossible not to have it at Battleground. I'm trying to think of scenarios where it could be held off until then but I got nothing.
Super happy for Dean though. Him and Rollins have been my favorite guys since they debuted. All 3 guys are stars. I just wish Dean and Seth get the same love as Roman does. Considering they're both vastly superior in every way. However I do like Seth pinning Roman clean with no interference, even though there was that little ref bump. Big night for all 3
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Post by SodaGuy on Jun 19, 2016 23:46:37 GMT -5
Holding the world championship in pro-wrestling does not make you a "star". None of the guys in the main event angle are really "stars". They none "transcend" pro-wrestling. The biggest star on the show tonight was the guy who lost to AJ Styles. Non-Wrestling fans know who Cena is. Non-Wrestling fans don't have a single clue who any of those three are. So what you're telling me is that Hogan, Rock, Austin, and Cena are the only stars the wrestling business has ever produced. No. A star in the wrestling business is a draw. The shield are draws. Bryan was a draw. Flair. Goldberg. Dusty Rhodes. Bruno. There have been many stars in the wrestling business that do not meet the criteria you're describing. That is what I am telling you because it's true when talking about actual stars. Being a star in pro-wrestling and being an actual star are not the same thing. Even using your criteria, none of the Shield fall into the category of being a draw/star except maybe Roman. Dean Ambrose is nowhere near the star that Flair and Rhodes are/were in the wrestling business. Seth Rollins is nowhere near being in the same category with a guy like Bruno. Not now. Maybe never. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 19, 2016 23:46:54 GMT -5
That was Roman Reigns' first ever clean pinfall loss.
Also, the Shield all won their first WWE Titles by pinning each other.
Seth pinned Roman at WrestleMania 31
Roman pinned Dean at Survior Series 2015
Dean pinned Seth tonight
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Jun 19, 2016 23:47:31 GMT -5
Awesome show.
Good 4way, Roman and Seth was awesome Cena/Styles was PHENOMENAL and the ladder match was great.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jun 19, 2016 23:47:55 GMT -5
Holding the world championship in pro-wrestling does not make you a "star". None of the guys in the main event angle are really "stars". They none "transcend" pro-wrestling. The biggest star on the show tonight was the guy who lost to AJ Styles. Non-Wrestling fans know who Cena is. Non-Wrestling fans don't have a single clue who any of those three are. So what you're telling me is that Hogan, Rock, Austin, and Cena are the only stars the wrestling business has ever produced.No. A star in the wrestling business is a draw. The shield are draws. Bryan was a draw. Flair. Goldberg. Dusty Rhodes. Bruno. There have been many stars in the wrestling business that do not meet the criteria you're describing. On the most casual level he's right. You could ask 10 people who Rock, Austin, Hogan, and Cena are and 9 out of 10 are going to know. Ask those same casual people who Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins are and they're going to have the most confused look on their faces. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Jun 19, 2016 23:50:14 GMT -5
So what you're telling me is that Hogan, Rock, Austin, and Cena are the only stars the wrestling business has ever produced.No. A star in the wrestling business is a draw. The shield are draws. Bryan was a draw. Flair. Goldberg. Dusty Rhodes. Bruno. There have been many stars in the wrestling business that do not meet the criteria you're describing. On the most casual level he's right. You could ask 10 people who Rock, Austin, Hogan, and Cena are and 9 out of 10 are going to know. Ask those same casual people who Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins are and they're going to have the most confused look on their faces. Right. When someone says "star" about pro-wrestlers.. those are the guys you think about. Being a "star" and being a "star in wrestling" aren't the same. Glad you understand. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 23:55:36 GMT -5
So what you're telling me is that Hogan, Rock, Austin, and Cena are the only stars the wrestling business has ever produced. No. A star in the wrestling business is a draw. The shield are draws. Bryan was a draw. Flair. Goldberg. Dusty Rhodes. Bruno. There have been many stars in the wrestling business that do not meet the criteria you're describing. That is what I am telling you because it's true when talking about actual stars. Being a star in pro-wrestling and being an actual star are not the same thing. Even using your criteria, none of the Shield fall into the category of being a draw/star except maybe Roman. Dean Ambrose is nowhere near the star that Flair and Rhodes are/were in the wrestling business. Seth Rollins is nowhere near being in the same category with a guy like Bruno. Not now. Maybe never. At no point at all did I compare these guys. I named stars. If Ambrose isn't a draw how is it that he has outsold Cena in merchandise before. How is it that an entire wrestlemania crowd(the biggest crowd of the year) were on there feet and exploding for Rollins beating reigns and Lesnar. You can say these guys aren't stars or draws all you want, but you're way off. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 23:57:12 GMT -5
On the most casual level he's right. You could ask 10 people who Rock, Austin, Hogan, and Cena are and 9 out of 10 are going to know. Ask those same casual people who Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins are and they're going to have the most confused look on their faces. Right. When someone says "star" about pro-wrestlers.. those are the guys you think about. Being a "star" and being a "star in wrestling" aren't the same. Glad you understand. There's nothing to understand. By your criteria every single star in the wrestling business wasn't a star because they didn't transcend into something else like very few do. That's not how it works. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 0:00:27 GMT -5
So what you're telling me is that Hogan, Rock, Austin, and Cena are the only stars the wrestling business has ever produced.No. A star in the wrestling business is a draw. The shield are draws. Bryan was a draw. Flair. Goldberg. Dusty Rhodes. Bruno. There have been many stars in the wrestling business that do not meet the criteria you're describing. On the most casual level he's right. You could ask 10 people who Rock, Austin, Hogan, and Cena are and 9 out of 10 are going to know. Ask those same casual people who Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins are and they're going to have the most confused look on their faces. On a casual level sure. That's stretching it though because what he said in the first place was that the shield didn't become stars. A group that interfered in a match at a ppv and then went on to be one of the most dominant groups the wrestling business has ever seen are now all main eventing. They are stars. Just because people who don't watch wrestling haven't heard of them yet does not mean they aren't stars. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Jun 20, 2016 0:19:30 GMT -5
That is what I am telling you because it's true when talking about actual stars. Being a star in pro-wrestling and being an actual star are not the same thing. Even using your criteria, none of the Shield fall into the category of being a draw/star except maybe Roman. Dean Ambrose is nowhere near the star that Flair and Rhodes are/were in the wrestling business. Seth Rollins is nowhere near being in the same category with a guy like Bruno. Not now. Maybe never. At no point at all did I compare these guys. I named stars. If Ambrose isn't a draw how is it that he has outsold Cena in merchandise before. How is it that an entire wrestlemania crowd(the biggest crowd of the year) were on there feet and exploding for Rollins beating reigns and Lesnar. You can say these guys aren't stars or draws all you want, but you're way off. You named some of the biggest draws in pro-wrestling and put them in the same category with them. You mention Dean Ambrose selling more t-shirts in the same group with Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes who drew some of the biggest cards ever. You mention a pop from a crowd that was there for the biggest show of the year which happened to feature Seth Rollins in the same group with Bruno Sammartino. The difference between all of those guys and Ambrose/Rollins is that people were paying money to see those guys. How many people do you think are paying to see Rollins and Rollins alone? Ambrose and Ambrose alone? Few. People were paying their money to get into the Omni to see Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes. They were paying their money to get into Madison Square Garden to see Bruno. The attendance would be the same without Rollins/Ambrose. The ratings would be the same without Rollins/Ambrose. Selling a few t-shirts and poppin' a smart mark crowd does not make you a "star" in my eyes. The biggest draw for WWE is John Cena and their name. That is why I - among others - don't believe WWE is creating new stars. People pay to see John Cena and the WWE. Rollins? Ambrose? Reigns? Whoever else you want to throw into this conversation are just "bonus" gets. Doesn't make them stars. I'm sure you'll explain that I don't "get this" and maybe that's for the best. I don't want to "get" how Dean Ambrose selling a few t-shirts means he's a "draw" like Bruno, Dusty, Ric, etc. If selling shirts makes you a draw than the Bucks are on the same level as Inoki and Hogan and Hashimoto and that makes NO sense because they've never drawn a huge crowd anywhere. None of the big crowds in New Japan are because of them at all. I'm done. I'm going to watch some Japan wrasslin' because I guess I'm becoming a damn hipster. |
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Jun 20, 2016 0:19:33 GMT -5
decent show phenomenal results
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 0:24:13 GMT -5
At no point at all did I compare these guys. I named stars. If Ambrose isn't a draw how is it that he has outsold Cena in merchandise before. How is it that an entire wrestlemania crowd(the biggest crowd of the year) were on there feet and exploding for Rollins beating reigns and Lesnar. You can say these guys aren't stars or draws all you want, but you're way off. You named some of the biggest draws in pro-wrestling and put them in the same category with them. You mention Dean Ambrose selling more t-shirts in the same group with Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes who drew some of the biggest cards ever. You mention a pop from a crowd that was there for the biggest show of the year which happened to feature Seth Rollins in the same group with Bruno Sammartino. The difference between all of those guys and Ambrose/Rollins is that people were paying money to see those guys. How many people do you think are paying to see Rollins and Rollins alone? Ambrose and Ambrose alone? Few. People were paying their money to get into the Omni to see Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes. They were paying their money to get into Madison Square Garden to see Bruno. The attendance would be the same without Rollins/Ambrose. The ratings would be the same without Rollins/Ambrose. Selling a few t-shirts and poppin' a smart mark crowd does not make you a "star" in my eyes. The biggest draw for WWE is John Cena and their name. That is why I - among others - don't believe WWE is creating new stars. People pay to see John Cena and the WWE. Rollins? Ambrose? Reigns? Whoever else you want to throw into this conversation are just "bonus" gets. Doesn't make them stars. I'm sure you'll explain that I don't "get this" and maybe that's for the best. I don't want to "get" how Dean Ambrose selling a few t-shirts means he's a "draw" like Bruno, Dusty, Ric, etc. If selling shirts makes you a draw than the Bucks are on the same level as Inoki and Hogan and Hashimoto and that makes NO sense because they've never drawn a huge crowd anywhere. None of the big crowds in New Japan are because of them at all. I'm done. I'm going to watch some Japan wrasslin' because I guess I'm becoming a damn hipster. You're either completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. Or twisting it to try and get me to argue with you. Either way. I'm done with it because it's clear it's not coming through one way or another. |
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Post by Mox on Jun 20, 2016 0:34:54 GMT -5
It was clear something big was going to happen based on the, "Best MITB ever!" hype they were spewing all night. Too bad the rest of the ppv sucked.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 20, 2016 0:52:12 GMT -5
Nobody in wrestling will ever be as big as Hogan, Rock, Austin, etc. and that's mainly because wrestling will never reach that level of popularity ever again. John Cena wasn't even in that same category, either, until he started getting these small movie roles and appearing on kids shows to get more national exposure. With that being said, out of everyone in the company right now aside from Cena, I've been saying for years now that Dean Ambrose is the most marketable star. Fans like the guy because he comes across as a natural blue-collar guy who doesn't sound like he's reading off of a script when he opens his mouth. Vince doesn't realize that people don't want to be told who to root for. If he listened to the reaction of fans instead of worrying about muting crowd reactions just because he's so stubborn to get his golden boy over, the company would be in a better position. You've got a far better chance of things improving by giving a guy like Ambrose the ball to run with and going all in to back him versus taking a guy who the fans genuinely don't care about and giving him chance after chance after chance only for him to continue to fall flat on his face.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jun 20, 2016 0:56:31 GMT -5
I missed half of Money in the Bank (basically the only matches I watched were the Tag Team title match, Sheamus vs. Crews, AJ vs. Cena, Money in the Bank ladder Match and the World Title match) due to the NBA Finals. I gotta watch the whole show again, but from what I've seen, it was a good show. I loved the finish and I marked the f*** out when Ambrose cashed in and won. Sunday night was an incredible night for me, Cleveland, Ohio in general lol
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Post by c-scope on Jun 20, 2016 0:57:51 GMT -5
1st champion since daniel bryan that the crowd is universally behind? Idk. The roof blew off the place when Rollins won. Then went even more crazy for Ambrose. It's a great night for everyone. It'll be remembered for a while for sure. yeah, all three shield guys being champ in one night is pretty amazing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 1:04:25 GMT -5
Idk. The roof blew off the place when Rollins won. Then went even more crazy for Ambrose. It's a great night for everyone. It'll be remembered for a while for sure. yeah, all three shield guys being champ in one night is pretty amazing. Lol it's still a party here. |
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Post by J-MANN on Jun 20, 2016 1:52:33 GMT -5
I'm still up trying to figure out where Rollins goes from here. I want him to win it all, and walk out with the title. If Roman wins the title back before Seth, I'm going to lose it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 1:59:55 GMT -5
I'm still up trying to figure out where Rollins goes from here. I want him to win it all, and walk out with the title. If Roman wins the title back before Seth, I'm going to lose it. I'd think it'll just be rollins vs dean just now. I wouldn't be surprised if reigns is off tv for a week or two. They need to figure out exactly what to do with him going forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 2:18:07 GMT -5
So for the last few years I have always thought "Why do I have to cheer for the things that never win? I cheer for Ambrose, who will never be THE guy. I cheer for Arsenal who will never win the Premier League again."
One down, one to go. THAT'S MAH GUY MAGGLE! AH LOVE IT!
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