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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 29, 2016 15:48:56 GMT -5
I guess Nashville needed to shake things up. They did get creamed in Game 7. Star for star trade. I think Edmonton got fleeced. Seems like personality issues on both counts, meaning Hall and Subban. I have a much harder time with the Edmonton trade. I get wanting to change the identity of your team, but they gave away a pretty damn good amount of skill to do it. Seems like they could have gotten more than a one-for-one. |
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Post by Cameron Stone on Jun 29, 2016 20:47:38 GMT -5
Panarins chemistry with Kane is off the charts. I think they'd buy out Hossa. before letting him walk
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 29, 2016 21:04:57 GMT -5
Busy day for the NHL. I'm seeing FB friends up north trying to justify that the Montreal is getting the better deal over Nashville, but I'm having a hard time believing that.
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Post by Mark Martin on Jun 29, 2016 21:45:30 GMT -5
TSN had a pretty cool article about the "craziest 23 minutes in NHL history" that went down today with the Weber/Subban trade, Hall/Larsson trade and Stamkos resigning.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 30, 2016 10:21:05 GMT -5
Busy day for the NHL. I'm seeing FB friends up north trying to justify that the Montreal is getting the better deal over Nashville, but I'm having a hard time believing that. I could softly agree with that sentiment for maybe the next two to three years. After that though, it's an incredibly one-sided trade favoring Nashville. The Preds are getting 6 full years of PK's prime. Montreal is getting 3 or so years of Weber's remaining prime and then they're looking at 7 more years on that deal. I honestly would have just fired Therrien if he couldn't get along with PK. He's not that good of a coach and if they miss the playoffs again this year, or even if they struggle early, he's getting fired again anyway. It's a weird trade though. Someone on NHL Network brought up the speed of the game factor with Weber and I think that is a strong point. As the game gets faster and more open it makes it more difficult for players like Weber to hang around longer. It's like the Hossa deal. When it happened you were excited and you're grateful for all that he's done, but now that the decline is in full effect it makes it more difficult to appreciate a great player. I'm sure that'll happen in Montreal eventually. A 39 year old veteran defensemen with a 7.86 cap hit is likely going to be a hard pill to swallow. If I can play off of Chiarelli a little, Subban is a sexy defensemen. He's a flashy personality with flashy ability and he creates excitement for a team like Nashville. Montreal is getting a great player and leader, a guy I really like in Weber, but they're losing their sexy defensemen. I don't know that anyone ever wants to be that guy that used to have a sexy girlfriend, even if your new girlfriend is pretty good looking, albeit a little older haha. |
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 30, 2016 14:31:41 GMT -5
Busy day for the NHL. I'm seeing FB friends up north trying to justify that the Montreal is getting the better deal over Nashville, but I'm having a hard time believing that. I could softly agree with that sentiment for maybe the next two to three years. After that though, it's an incredibly one-sided trade favoring Nashville. The Preds are getting 6 full years of PK's prime. Montreal is getting 3 or so years of Weber's remaining prime and then they're looking at 7 more years on that deal. I honestly would have just fired Therrien if he couldn't get along with PK. He's not that good of a coach and if they miss the playoffs again this year, or even if they struggle early, he's getting fired again anyway. It's a weird trade though. Someone on NHL Network brought up the speed of the game factor with Weber and I think that is a strong point. As the game gets faster and more open it makes it more difficult for players like Weber to hang around longer. It's like the Hossa deal. When it happened you were excited and you're grateful for all that he's done, but now that the decline is in full effect it makes it more difficult to appreciate a great player. I'm sure that'll happen in Montreal eventually. A 39 year old veteran defensemen with a 7.86 cap hit is likely going to be a hard pill to swallow. If I can play off of Chiarelli a little, Subban is a sexy defensemen. He's a flashy personality with flashy ability and he creates excitement for a team like Nashville. Montreal is getting a great player and leader, a guy I really like in Weber, but they're losing their sexy defensemen. I don't know that anyone ever wants to be that guy that used to have a sexy girlfriend, even if your new girlfriend is pretty good looking, albeit a little older haha. Fantastic analogy to close out your post! |
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 30, 2016 16:41:53 GMT -5
Don't like the Subban trade but hey I'm not a Habs fan so it doesn't bother me.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jun 30, 2016 18:01:32 GMT -5
I know trades are usually NEVER completely 100% even, but I can't help but think that both Edmonton and Montreal forked themselves.
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 1, 2016 12:26:18 GMT -5
I see Backes signed with the Bruins.
So now who gets the C in St. Louis? Tarasenko?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 12:32:51 GMT -5
I see Backes signed with the Bruins. So now who gets the C in St. Louis? Tarasenko? My best guess is Alex Steen, with Pietrangelo and either Tarasenko or Stastny as the alternates. I understand letting Backes walk. He's one hell of a player and we'll miss him. But letting Brouwer go was a terrible mistake. Dude was probably our best player in the playoffs. Still undecided about the Perron signing, but it doesn't make sense. His years in STL weren't memorable in the least, and it doesn't look like he's played any better since leaving. Hopefully the Blues have something else in the works. Losing Elliott, Backes, and Brouwer is just too big of a hit, even if two of the three players were getting old. We're still a playoff team without them, but our chances of winning of a Cup really took a hit. |
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 1, 2016 12:36:10 GMT -5
I read Brouwer is going to Calgary. So they sign a former Blue and they spend their first round pick on the son of a former Blue.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 1, 2016 12:51:03 GMT -5
I love the Soup signing for the Hawks. What a discount he took and for a 1 year deal no-less. That solves a ton of problems back there. Seabs-Dunc, Hammer-Soup, Pokka-TVR, Rozsival-Healthy Scratch.
Sad to see Ladd off the board but I think he's a good fit for the Islanders.
Backes out of STL is fine by me. I have to question what the hell Boston is doing. They shipped off all of their hard nose parts, and now they're signing similar type of guys back. Backes would have been a perfect fit for those 2011-2013 Bruins teams. I thought they were all-in on changing to a less heavy bodied speed game, but the trade for Rinaldo and then this move kind of say otherwise. It's like they're half-in, half-out.
Lucic cashed out but obviously isn't looking to win any time soon. I like Dale Weise to Philly. I like Weise in general but I think that's a particularly good fit for him.
Nothing Earth shattering today, but that was bound to happen after such a crazy frenzy on Wednesday with the signings and trades.
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Post by HHH316 on Jul 1, 2016 12:53:01 GMT -5
I'm trying so hard to figure out what the Blues are thinking. Ultimately, I just keep going back to the same answer: it's the Blues being the Blues.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 1, 2016 15:07:58 GMT -5
I'm trying so hard to figure out what the Blues are thinking. Ultimately, I just keep going back to the same answer: it's the Blues being the Blues. Agreed. Moving on from their two goalie dynamic I can understand, but unless they're looking to change philosophy, obviously not with Hitch still in the driver's seat, I don't understand not locking in Backes and even Brouwer. Those two guys with Reaves and Shattenkirk give that team a very definitive identity. Leadership is one thing, but I'm not seeing where they've even replaced Backes' production right now. Perron probably substitutes for the Brouwer points, but he doesn't bring any of the experience, size or grit. The Blues are 100% a worse team right now than they were to end last season. I don't know why though. They have the cap space. Maybe they have the wheels turning on a Shattenkirk trade. If the Penguins are serious about trading Malkin maybe they're trying to put something together. I don't know. What I do know is that Blues offense relies totally on Tarasenko and it's not enough. They definitely can't be happy about that Stastny deal either since I think they thought he was going to be that type of weapon in the top 6. |
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Post by sonstuds on Jul 1, 2016 21:43:11 GMT -5
The Blues are 100% a worse team right now than they were to end last season. I don't know why though. They have the cap space. Which they'll need to resign Schwartz, Parayko, and Fabbri. Sucks losing Backes but I dunno how well his style of play is going to age. That's not really fair to him. His first year he was relegated to playing on the third line because they didn't want to break up the Backes/Oshie/Steen and Tarasekno/Schwartz/Lehtera lines. This year he played with Fabbri and Brouwer and it became their best line down the stretch. Whether he's worth the money or not is up for debate, but I'm sure glad he's on the Blues (especially after today lol). |
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 10, 2016 14:20:45 GMT -5
How'd I never notice that the Pens signed Lemieux's son?
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Post by HHH316 on Jul 15, 2016 23:00:44 GMT -5
Last night, I got to meet my favorite (now former) Blackhawk Andrew Shaw. He was making his last appearance before heading off to Montreal. He was as cool as I always figured he'd be.
I had an 8x10 metal print created with a photo I took of him at a game last season, that he was pretty impressed with, as he said he'd never seen anything like that before.
I decided to pick up a new Hawks Shaw jersey. I don't even care that he got traded. For $50, I wasn't passing that up. My sister is at the Blackhawk's convention this weekend & is going to get a Stanley Cup patch on it for me.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 16, 2016 0:21:31 GMT -5
Zatkoff would take the Cup down a  ing water slide. |
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Post by HHH316 on Jul 20, 2016 18:55:17 GMT -5
Zatkoff would take the Cup down a ing water slide. Meh, it's been through much worse. Just to try & liven things up here through a usual quiet point in this thread, if you had a day with the Cup, where would you take it & what would you do? |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 27, 2016 13:41:22 GMT -5
Zatkoff would take the Cup down a ing water slide. Meh, it's been through much worse. Just to try & liven things up here through a usual quiet point in this thread, if you had a day with the Cup, where would you take it & what would you do? I'd take it to the rink I played at growing up and let the youth hockey kids get pictures with it. Beyond that I'd just roundup my college teammates and my men's league buddies and let everyone get drunk out of it. I wouldn't be looking to do anything overly original with it honestly. Just sharing it around would be enough of a good time to make the day perfect. I would 1000% eat Captain Crunch out of it though. Saw the Hawks are seriously in on Vessy. What a ridiculous win that would be. He would almost certainly play with Toews on the top line. I know he's a Boston guy though. So it'll be all about convincing him he can win now with the Hawks and then cash out if he's successful. He's getting an ELC from any of the 6 teams and the bonus money won't be too different across the board. I guess we'll see. They didn't address their top 6 problem, I'll just call this the Brandon Saad effect, so this would be insanely fortunate for them. |
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