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Post by Grumpyoldman on Jul 6, 2016 16:55:19 GMT -5
He had a really awesome "Michael Jordan hang time" lariat. For a guy his size, he made it look amazing. Personally, I think he totally outshined his father.
JJ Dillon said in his book that when Barry became a Horseman, he only cared about 3 things- $5,000 in his pocket nightly, a blond on his arm & a fast car to take her somewhere.
Great topic.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 6, 2016 18:58:10 GMT -5
Anyone here remember Barry Windham's DDT??
Watch Starrcade 92 Lethal Lottery match with Windham/Muta vs. Scorpio/Pillman. He delivers a very sick DDT to Scorpio.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 6, 2016 23:24:35 GMT -5
In the words of Chris Jericho.... "drink it in, maaaaaannnn"
This was THE MATCH!! The match is actually quite enjoyable too, and the heel turn came out of nowhere! Barry even gave up his Tag Title reign just to join the Horsemen.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 7, 2016 9:32:01 GMT -5
I still think Anderson/Windham vs Doom (Starrcade 90) in the street fight, was one of the best tag matches ever. For those that have not seen it, it goes in my recommendation list. Agreed. Doom just like Windham don't get the credit they deserve either. I think ther pencilled in feud with The Road Warriors would have been great had Hawk & Animal not bounced to WWF |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 7, 2016 10:20:30 GMT -5
In the words of Chris Jericho.... "drink it in, maaaaaannnn" This was THE MATCH!! The match is actually quite enjoyable too, and the heel turn came out of nowhere! Barry even gave up his Tag Title reign just to join the Horsemen. That was the first heel turn I can remember as a kid. I never saw it coming. And I remember I wanted to be upset cause I loved Luger & Windham as a team, but I just sat there with a smirk on my face. It's that moment where I learned the difference between JCP & WWF. And I learned to appreciate the realism the NWA had. |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 7, 2016 10:28:18 GMT -5
Does anyone know the story behind this? Shock value I assume. Would it have killed Eric to let Barry be a Horsemen again? Wouldn't Barry have been better off? Horsemen certainly would have been.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 7, 2016 11:25:44 GMT -5
Does anyone know the story behind this? Shock value I assume. Would it have killed Eric to let Barry be a Horsemen again? Wouldn't Barry have been better off? Horsemen certainly would have been. I remember this time frame some what. Barry and Curt Hennig ended up tagging and they were like the NWO's guns for hire. They helped them beat up David Flair and Ric Flair, and then went on to win the WCW Tag Titles in a tournament over Benoit and Malenko. They held the belts for 3 weeks before losing them to Benoit and Malenko. Then Barry and Curt formed the West Texas Rednecks, and Barry had one more Tag Title reign with his brother for a few weeks in the Fall of 1999. After that, Barry left WCW. But interesting fact, before Barry went to WCW in 1998 after leaving the WWE, Barry and Tully Blanchard along with their manager Magnum TA, won the NWA Tag Titles at an indy event and held them for a few weeks. So that made Barry Windham a 3 time NWA Tag Champion. (once with Lex in 88, once with Dustin in 92, and then with Tully in 98) |
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 7, 2016 12:11:19 GMT -5
Does anyone know the story behind this? Shock value I assume. Would it have killed Eric to let Barry be a Horsemen again? Wouldn't Barry have been better off? Horsemen certainly would have been. Shock value was the intention.......but it was pointless and totally predictable. I remember watching that vividly and knowing 100% Windham was gonna turn on Flair........oh easy E and your 50 heel turns a year programming. |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 7, 2016 12:12:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know the story behind this? Shock value I assume. Would it have killed Eric to let Barry be a Horsemen again? Wouldn't Barry have been better off? Horsemen certainly would have been. I remember this time frame some what. Barry and Curt Hennig ended up tagging and they were like the NWO's guns for hire. They helped them beat up David Flair and Ric Flair, and then went on to win the WCW Tag Titles in a tournament over Benoit and Malenko. They held the belts for 3 weeks before losing them to Benoit and Malenko. Then Barry and Curt formed the West Texas Rednecks, and Barry had one more Tag Title reign with his brother for a few weeks in the Fall of 1999. After that, Barry left WCW. But interesting fact, before Barry went to WCW in 1998 after leaving the WWE, Barry and Tully Blanchard along with their manager Magnum TA, won the NWA Tag Titles at an indy event and held them for a few weeks. So that made Barry Windham a 3 time NWA Tag Champion. (once with Lex in 88, once with Dustin in 92, and then with Tully in 98) I do remember Barry & Curt teaming up. I was okay with that. I even liked the WTRednecks. I just think Barry (and Curt) would have been far better off had they stayed Horsemen. Thought maybe there was some behind the scenes BS as to what happened. I assume it was because Eric liked screwing with Flair, but thought maybe there was more to the story. |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 7, 2016 12:13:57 GMT -5
Does anyone know the story behind this? Shock value I assume. Would it have killed Eric to let Barry be a Horsemen again? Wouldn't Barry have been better off? Horsemen certainly would have been. Shock value was the intention.......but it was pointless and totally predictable. I remember watching that vividly and knowing 100% Windham was gonna turn on Flair........oh easy E and your 50 heel turns a year programming. That's what I was thinking too! If you do it once a week, it loses it's value. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 7, 2016 12:20:22 GMT -5
Shock value was the intention.......but it was pointless and totally predictable. I remember watching that vividly and knowing 100% Windham was gonna turn on Flair........oh easy E and your 50 heel turns a year programming. That's what I was thinking too! If you do it once a week, it loses it's value. I would genuinely LOVE to know how many curse a god heel turns there was in 1998/99. 97 wasn't too bad....but the entirely lost the plot with it in 98/99. Off the top of my head Hart Luger Giant Scott Steiner Nash Bagwell Hall Hennig(2nd heel turn in a year) Stevie Ray all turned heel in 1998-4th Jan 99. And I'm SURE I'm missing about 5/6 more turns down the card. Hennig turned on the 4H in 97 then on the Wolfpac in 98. |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 7, 2016 13:33:14 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking too! If you do it once a week, it loses it's value. I would genuinely LOVE to know how many curse a god heel turns there was in 1998/99. 97 wasn't too bad....but the entirely lost the plot with it in 98/99. Off the top of my head Hart Luger Giant Scott Steiner Nash Bagwell Hall Hennig(2nd heel turn in a year) Stevie Ray all turned heel in 1998-4th Jan 99. And I'm SURE I'm missing about 5/6 more turns down the card. Hennig turned on the 4H in 97 then on the Wolfpac in 98. Somebody needs to get a list together. That would make for an interesting topic. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 7, 2016 17:41:16 GMT -5
The second heel turn by Barry Windham! Again, it involves him losing the Tag Titles, only this time with partner Dustin Rhodes.
At the end of the match, they interview Steamboat and Douglas on the win, and Barry cracks Ricky so hard on the back of the head with a chair that he needed staples to close the wound. You can actually see the back of his head split open when Barry picks up Steamboat by the hair and rams him face first into the lockers.
Enjoy!
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Post by PJ on Jul 7, 2016 18:06:58 GMT -5
Does anyone know the story behind this? Shock value I assume. Would it have killed Eric to let Barry be a Horsemen again? Wouldn't Barry have been better off? Horsemen certainly would have been. Funny you mention this, because I couldn't sleep last night so at around 4:30 this morning I put on a Nitro and it was the week after Barry attacked David Flair so Ric attacked Barry during his match with Van Hammer and proceeded to give Barry nut shots, and chops for about 10 minutes which brought me back to when it originally happened and I thought the same thing again...way to sacrifice Barry to Flair. There was no reason for that beatdown to be as long as it did. |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 7, 2016 18:17:10 GMT -5
Does anyone know the story behind this? Shock value I assume. Would it have killed Eric to let Barry be a Horsemen again? Wouldn't Barry have been better off? Horsemen certainly would have been. Funny you mention this, because I couldn't sleep last night so at around 4:30 this morning I put on a Nitro and it was the week after Barry attacked David Flair so Ric attacked Barry during his match with Van Hammer and proceeded to give Barry nut shots, and chops for about 10 minutes which brought me back to when it originally happened and I thought the same thing again...way to sacrifice Barry to Flair. There was no reason for that beatdown to be as long as it did. It was such a weird angle that served no purpose in the grand scheme of things. It was a waste of Barry's talents. That's why I think keeping him as a Horsemen would have been the better route. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 7, 2016 19:16:00 GMT -5
Funny you mention this, because I couldn't sleep last night so at around 4:30 this morning I put on a Nitro and it was the week after Barry attacked David Flair so Ric attacked Barry during his match with Van Hammer and proceeded to give Barry nut shots, and chops for about 10 minutes which brought me back to when it originally happened and I thought the same thing again...way to sacrifice Barry to Flair. There was no reason for that beatdown to be as long as it did. It was such a weird angle that served no purpose in the grand scheme of things. It was a waste of Barry's talents. That's why I think keeping him as a Horsemen would have been the better route. I remember in 1993, in story line they asked Barry to join the Horsemen, but that's when he said he was 'The Lone Wolf' and wanted to be his own man and be NWA World Champion. So maybe to have Barry re-join the Horsemen in late 98 wouldn't have made much sense. I think the whole point of that deal was it showed Curt and Barry - two men who chose to leave the Horsemen on their own, not be kicked out of it - go after Flair, Benoit and Malenko. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 8, 2016 9:28:55 GMT -5
It was such a weird angle that served no purpose in the grand scheme of things. It was a waste of Barry's talents. That's why I think keeping him as a Horsemen would have been the better route. I remember in 1993, in story line they asked Barry to join the Horsemen, but that's when he said he was 'The Lone Wolf' and wanted to be his own man and be NWA World Champion. So maybe to have Barry re-join the Horsemen in late 98 wouldn't have made much sense. I think the whole point of that deal was it showed Curt and Barry - two men who chose to leave the Horsemen on their own, not be kicked out of it - go after Flair, Benoit and Malenko. I think by this particular moment Eric, Flair and the entire WCW booking process had long since given up on what made sense man......your giving them way too much credit there aul son!! |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 8, 2016 12:37:35 GMT -5
I remember in 1993, in story line they asked Barry to join the Horsemen, but that's when he said he was 'The Lone Wolf' and wanted to be his own man and be NWA World Champion. So maybe to have Barry re-join the Horsemen in late 98 wouldn't have made much sense. I think the whole point of that deal was it showed Curt and Barry - two men who chose to leave the Horsemen on their own, not be kicked out of it - go after Flair, Benoit and Malenko. I think by this particular moment Eric, Flair and the entire WCW booking process had long since given up on what made sense man......your giving them way too much credit there aul son!! I know, I know.... I just like to think that not everything that WCW did near the end was accidental. That maybe they did put some thought into that and had the knowledge of the history of how Barry Windham snubbed the Horsemen in '93. But you are probably right, I am giving WCW way too much credit for remembering that. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 9, 2016 5:20:04 GMT -5
I think by this particular moment Eric, Flair and the entire WCW booking process had long since given up on what made sense man......your giving them way too much credit there aul son!! I know, I know.... I just like to think that not everything that WCW did near the end was accidental. That maybe they did put some thought into that and had the knowledge of the history of how Barry Windham snubbed the Horsemen in '93. But you are probably right, I am giving WCW way too much credit for remembering that. hope springs eternal!!! |
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