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Post by marino13 on Jul 9, 2016 14:30:24 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that maybe Bret resents Triple H because he is the heir apparent to the WWE. Bret has said he always assumed he would work in the offices of WWE after he retired. So maybe it bothers Bret that Triple H has the "keys to the castle"?
I'm a huge fan of both guys, so it's not meant as an insult. Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 7:57:11 GMT -5
I think a lot of it is still his bitterness from the screwjob.
I think Bret forgave Shawn because he always respected him as a wrestler and he knew HBK was going to become the face of WWE regardless. Triple H, on the other hand, has been a total opportunist from the start. Immediately upon entering WWE, he sought out friendship from HBK and the boys because he knew they had the power. And he never really seemed to show any regrets about the screwjob (as opposed to Shawn who I think legitimately felt bad).
Add in everything else (Triple H rising, marrying the boss's daughter, etc), I think Bret just flat out hates the guy. So he'll never give him any credit because he just can't stomach it.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 11, 2016 10:21:36 GMT -5
I think a lot of it is still his bitterness from the screwjob. I think Bret forgave Shawn because he always respected him as a wrestler and he knew HBK was going to become the face of WWE regardless. Triple H, on the other hand, has been a total opportunist from the start. Immediately upon entering WWE, he sought out friendship from HBK and the boys because he knew they had the power. And he never really seemed to show any regrets about the screwjob (as opposed to Shawn who I think legitimately felt bad). Add in everything else (Triple H rising, marrying the boss's daughter, etc), I think Bret just flat out hates the guy. So he'll never give him any credit because he just can't stomach it. HBK, Nash, & X-Pac have all said they sought out Triple H. Not the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 10:28:16 GMT -5
I think a lot of it is still his bitterness from the screwjob. I think Bret forgave Shawn because he always respected him as a wrestler and he knew HBK was going to become the face of WWE regardless. Triple H, on the other hand, has been a total opportunist from the start. Immediately upon entering WWE, he sought out friendship from HBK and the boys because he knew they had the power. And he never really seemed to show any regrets about the screwjob (as opposed to Shawn who I think legitimately felt bad). Add in everything else (Triple H rising, marrying the boss's daughter, etc), I think Bret just flat out hates the guy. So he'll never give him any credit because he just can't stomach it. HBK, Nash, & X-Pac have all said they sought out Triple H. Not the other way around. Hm. Could have sworn I saw an interview where Triple H said he sought HBK out and basically said to him "I hear you're the guy to be friends with" and it went from there. Either way, I still think Bret never fully got over the screwjob. He just directs all the anger from it at Triple H now instead of Triple H, Shawn, Vince, Earl, etc.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 11, 2016 10:34:55 GMT -5
HBK, Nash, & X-Pac have all said they sought out Triple H. Not the other way around. Hm. Could have sworn I saw an interview where Triple H said he sought HBK out and basically said to him "I hear you're the guy to be friends with" and it went from there. Either way, I still think Bret never fully got over the screwjob. He just directs all the anger from it at Triple H now instead of Triple H, Shawn, Vince, Earl, etc. On the Kliq special and I believe the Triple H DVD is where they say they scooped him up. I guess DDP called Nash and put over how good of a guy Triple H was. So they found Triple H on his first tour and offered to let him ride in their rental car with the rest of them. But I agree Bret is most likely channeling all his MSJ anger towards Triple H. Which I understand, but Bret forced them to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 10:43:16 GMT -5
Hm. Could have sworn I saw an interview where Triple H said he sought HBK out and basically said to him "I hear you're the guy to be friends with" and it went from there. Either way, I still think Bret never fully got over the screwjob. He just directs all the anger from it at Triple H now instead of Triple H, Shawn, Vince, Earl, etc. On the Kliq special and I believe the Triple H DVD is where they say they scooped him up. I guess DDP called Nash and put over how good of a guy Triple H was. So they found Triple H on his first tour and offered to let him ride in their rental car with the rest of them. But I agree Bret is most likely channeling all his MSJ anger towards Triple H. Which I understand, but Bret forced them to do it. Oh okay I never saw that one. I love Bret. But he's a tortured soul it seems, especially when it comes to the screwjob and Triple H.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 11, 2016 10:45:39 GMT -5
On the Kliq special and I believe the Triple H DVD is where they say they scooped him up. I guess DDP called Nash and put over how good of a guy Triple H was. So they found Triple H on his first tour and offered to let him ride in their rental car with the rest of them. But I agree Bret is most likely channeling all his MSJ anger towards Triple H. Which I understand, but Bret forced them to do it. Oh okay I never saw that one. I love Bret. But he's a tortured soul it seems. I've been a Bret fan since the first Hart Foundation run. One of the happiest days of my childhood was when he defeated Flair to become WWF champion. But nowadays all he wants to do is be angry at the world. And though I love Bret, I'm tired of hearing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 11:19:23 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that maybe Bret resents Triple H because he is the heir apparent to the WWE. Bret has said he always assumed he would work in the offices of WWE after he retired. So maybe it bothers Bret that Triple H has the "keys to the castle"? I'm a huge fan of both guys, so it's not meant as an insult. Just a thought. I find it far more likely that Bret resents HHH for the spot he's in, considering how little he's ever done in the ring to distinguish himself. I've never, ever seen HHH do anything in the ring that has surprised me. There's a huge difference between not being a 'jakked up big man' and being an out of shape tub of crap. AJ Styles is far from a jakked up big man, and he's one of the best talents in the past decade. Bryan and Punk weren't jakked up, or big, but they were in shape, and could go. I must have missed the match where Owens "couldn't go" because of his weight. Which one was that again? I've seen Owens in about 3 matches. In every single one he got gassed and sluggish. Hell in the Royal Rumble he used the leg he was limping on 5 seconds after he entered the ring and completely no sold it. Horrible psychology.
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Post by K5 on Jul 11, 2016 11:20:59 GMT -5
Hm. Could have sworn I saw an interview where Triple H said he sought HBK out and basically said to him "I hear you're the guy to be friends with" and it went from there. Either way, I still think Bret never fully got over the screwjob. He just directs all the anger from it at Triple H now instead of Triple H, Shawn, Vince, Earl, etc. On the Kliq special and I believe the Triple H DVD is where they say they scooped him up. I guess DDP called Nash and put over how good of a guy Triple H was. So they found Triple H on his first tour and offered to let him ride in their rental car with the rest of them. But I agree Bret is most likely channeling all his MSJ anger towards Triple H. Which I understand, but Bret forced them to do it now marino13, don't mix opinion with fact. i think you're right that bret doesn't enjoy the fact that triple h squeezed his way into being the heir. bret repeatedly has claimed vince was like a father to him and his contract before leaving for wcw stated he would have a place in the office after his in ring career was finished.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 11, 2016 11:24:22 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that maybe Bret resents Triple H because he is the heir apparent to the WWE. Bret has said he always assumed he would work in the offices of WWE after he retired. So maybe it bothers Bret that Triple H has the "keys to the castle"? I'm a huge fan of both guys, so it's not meant as an insult. Just a thought. I find it far more likely that Bret resents HHH for the spot he's in, considering how little he's ever done in the ring to distinguish himself. I've never, ever seen HHH do anything in the ring that has surprised me. I've been a Bret fan since the beginning of his WWE run and I would never say he did anything in the ring that surprised either. So I'm not sure what that means.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 11, 2016 11:27:28 GMT -5
On the Kliq special and I believe the Triple H DVD is where they say they scooped him up. I guess DDP called Nash and put over how good of a guy Triple H was. So they found Triple H on his first tour and offered to let him ride in their rental car with the rest of them. But I agree Bret is most likely channeling all his MSJ anger towards Triple H. Which I understand, but Bret forced them to do it now marino13, don't mix opinion with fact. i think you're right that bret doesn't enjoy the fact that triple h squeezed his way into being the heir. bret repeatedly has claimed vince was like a father to him and his contract before leaving for wcw stated he would have a place in the office after his in ring career was finished. Not sure I'd use the word "squeezed". But yeah, that's exactly the quote from Bret that made me think that there's some resentment there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 11:34:35 GMT -5
I find it far more likely that Bret resents HHH for the spot he's in, considering how little he's ever done in the ring to distinguish himself. I've never, ever seen HHH do anything in the ring that has surprised me. I've been a Bret fan since the beginning of his WWE run and I would never say he did anything in the ring that surprised either. So I'm not sure what that means. Bret was completely versatile. If he was wrestling Nash, it was a completely different kind of match than if he was wrestling Owen or Austin. He constantly shifted up what he was doing, and pulled out surprising spots like this for example: I honestly can't think of a single time where Triple H deviated from very basic brawling. If he's wrestling Brock, it's the exact same match, and same formula if he's wrestling Bryan, Sting, Nash, Punk, Roman or Cena or whoever else. I'm not trying to sell him short, because he's been in some great story matches, like his match with Shawn at Summerslam 02. But the fact is, if you've seen any one of his matches, you've seen everything he's willing to do in the ring, and it isn't much. Which is why he's a solid and dependable, but why as a wrestler, he's completely mediocre. Saying otherwise would be lying.
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Post by K5 on Jul 11, 2016 11:45:51 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that maybe Bret resents Triple H because he is the heir apparent to the WWE. Bret has said he always assumed he would work in the offices of WWE after he retired. So maybe it bothers Bret that Triple H has the "keys to the castle"? I'm a huge fan of both guys, so it's not meant as an insult. Just a thought. I find it far more likely that Bret resents HHH for the spot he's in, considering how little he's ever done in the ring to distinguish himself. I've never, ever seen HHH do anything in the ring that has surprised me. i'm not the biggest triple h fan by any means...and i think he's certainly been a greasy character in the past... but the guy could sell programs. he made you want to see the rock, or foley, or shawn michaels or whoever else, beat him. he could get proper heat and still carry himself as a badass more than a sniveling weasel. once he started being given titles by bischoff and having his weekly raw 1 hour promo, it was clear that he was getting more than he was due, but prior to that he had some solid runs as a heel.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 11, 2016 11:50:42 GMT -5
I've been a Bret fan since the beginning of his WWE run and I would never say he did anything in the ring that surprised either. So I'm not sure what that means. Bret was completely versatile. If he was wrestling Nash, it was a completely different kind of match than if he was wrestling Owen or Austin. He constantly shifted up what he was doing, and pulled out surprising spots like this for example: I honestly can't think of a single time where Triple H deviated from very basic brawling. If he's wrestling Brock, it's the exact same match, and same formula if he's wrestling Bryan, Sting, Nash, Punk, Roman or Cena or whoever else. I'm not trying to sell him short, because he's been in some great story matches, like his match with Shawn at Summerslam 02. But the fact is, if you've seen any one of his matches, you've seen everything he's willing to do in the ring, and it isn't much. Which is why he's a solid and dependable, but why as a wrestler, he's completely mediocre. Saying otherwise would be lying. I wouldn't call Bret giving a Russian Leg sweep to Bam Bam instead of Mr Perfect overly "surprising". Every wrestler has a style. I never saw Hogan going for a moonsault. Or Flair giving a Hurracarrana. But That doesn't take away from their careers. So all I'm hearing from you is "I'm not a Triple H fan so he doesn't deserve anything".
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 11, 2016 11:55:40 GMT -5
Bret Hart is such a mark. It's real to him. Kevin Nash did a shoot interview about the cage match he had with Bret where Undertaker came up from the ring mat and dragged Diesel down and Bret just climbed out. Nash said that when they were planning the match, Bret REFUSED to take the powerbomb before Taker dragged Nash down because "people will think that I would have lost if it wasn't for the Undertaker" and Nash said that moment right there was what made him decide to leave for WCW when his contract was up. Better to go to WCW for 4 times the money than stay in WWF and bust his ass trying to work with a guy who thought it was real.
Bret is just so negative, so selfish, so self-centered, and if it doesn't make him look like a million dollars and everyone else look like crap, he thinks it's a stupid idea. He's a real mark. It sucks, because I loved him as a kid, but the older I get and the more I understad about the backstage part of the business, you realize just what kind of a diva Bret was, and is.
I don't even know why WWE uses Bret a few times a year for appearances. He clearly hates the company. Most wrestlers actually try and PROMOTE the company and say positive things about it when they are going to be making appearances....not Bret. Maybe he can go on a word wide #cancelWWENetwork tour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 11:56:49 GMT -5
I find it far more likely that Bret resents HHH for the spot he's in, considering how little he's ever done in the ring to distinguish himself. I've never, ever seen HHH do anything in the ring that has surprised me. i'm not the biggest triple h fan by any means...and i think he's certainly been a greasy character in the past... but the guy could sell programs. he made you want to see the rock, or foley, or shawn michaels or whoever else, beat him. he could get proper heat and still carry himself as a badass more than a sniveling weasel. once he started being given titles by bischoff and having his weekly raw 1 hour promo, it was clear that he was getting more than he was due, but prior to that he had some solid runs as a heel. I agree, and this is where his value comes from. He's an amazing heel. But the point of discussion is his ability, and what he did, he did well. He just never did very much. Bret was completely versatile. If he was wrestling Nash, it was a completely different kind of match than if he was wrestling Owen or Austin. He constantly shifted up what he was doing, and pulled out surprising spots like this for example: I honestly can't think of a single time where Triple H deviated from very basic brawling. If he's wrestling Brock, it's the exact same match, and same formula if he's wrestling Bryan, Sting, Nash, Punk, Roman or Cena or whoever else. I'm not trying to sell him short, because he's been in some great story matches, like his match with Shawn at Summerslam 02. But the fact is, if you've seen any one of his matches, you've seen everything he's willing to do in the ring, and it isn't much. Which is why he's a solid and dependable, but why as a wrestler, he's completely mediocre. Saying otherwise would be lying. I wouldn't call Bret giving a Russian Leg sweep to Bam Bam instead of Mr Perfect overly "surprising". Every wrestler has a style. I never saw Hogan going for a moonsault. Or Flair giving a Hurracarrana. But That doesn't take away from their careers. So all I'm hearing from you is "I'm not a Triple H fan so he doesn't deserve anything". Yeah, and Flair and Hogan both sucked as wrestlers. Their value, like HHH's came from elsewhere, certainly not their ability to go out and have good matches with every opponent that stepped in the ring with them. HHH, much like Hogan and Flair is a routine man who only knows how to work the same match over and over.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 11, 2016 12:10:44 GMT -5
i'm not the biggest triple h fan by any means...and i think he's certainly been a greasy character in the past... but the guy could sell programs. he made you want to see the rock, or foley, or shawn michaels or whoever else, beat him. he could get proper heat and still carry himself as a badass more than a sniveling weasel. once he started being given titles by bischoff and having his weekly raw 1 hour promo, it was clear that he was getting more than he was due, but prior to that he had some solid runs as a heel. I agree, and this is where his value comes from. He's an amazing heel. But the point of discussion is his ability, and what he did, he did well. He just never did very much. I wouldn't call Bret giving a Russian Leg sweep to Bam Bam instead of Mr Perfect overly "surprising". Every wrestler has a style. I never saw Hogan going for a moonsault. Or Flair giving a Hurracarrana. But That doesn't take away from their careers. So all I'm hearing from you is "I'm not a Triple H fan so he doesn't deserve anything". Yeah, and Flair and Hogan both sucked as wrestlers. Their value, like HHH's came from elsewhere, certainly not their ability to go out and have good matches with every opponent that stepped in the ring with them. HHH, much like Hogan and Flair is a routine man who only knows how to work the same match over and over. Reality is most wrestlers work a routine match. Bret Hart did too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 12:13:34 GMT -5
I agree, and this is where his value comes from. He's an amazing heel. But the point of discussion is his ability, and what he did, he did well. He just never did very much. Yeah, and Flair and Hogan both sucked as wrestlers. Their value, like HHH's came from elsewhere, certainly not their ability to go out and have good matches with every opponent that stepped in the ring with them. HHH, much like Hogan and Flair is a routine man who only knows how to work the same match over and over. Reality is most wrestlers work a routine match. Bret Hart did too. That's ridiculously untrue.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 11, 2016 12:24:19 GMT -5
Reality is most wrestlers work a routine match. Bret Hart did too. That's ridiculously untrue. Dude, Bret did have the same match all the time. I am a huge Bret Hart fan, but there is no denying his set routine of moves near the end of his matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 14:01:24 GMT -5
That's ridiculously untrue. Dude, Bret did have the same match all the time. I am a huge Bret Hart fan, but there is no denying his set routine of moves near the end of his matches. If you can seriously say that Bret wrestled the same match with Kevin Nash as he did with Owen Hart, or Roddy Piper, or Yokozuna, or Undertaker, or whoever else, I question if you've ever seen those matches.
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