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Post by tylerbreezee on Jul 15, 2016 7:18:03 GMT -5
I knew it! was saying to myself like jeeze this def has to do with his punishment, they're laying into him right now. Vince must be pissed.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 15, 2016 8:07:43 GMT -5
Yeah no. He's not given up on Reigns, if he did he would be pulled from the main event of Battleground.
The most likely scenario is that Reigns defeats both Ambrose and Rollins for the title
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 15, 2016 8:09:30 GMT -5
They've been ripping Reigns weekly so it may be true Thats more or less just a tactic to keep his name fresh on tv so nobody forgets about him when he is in the main event at Battleground
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 15, 2016 8:13:52 GMT -5
Yeah no. He's not given up on Reigns, if he did he would be pulled from the main event of Battleground. The most likely scenario is that Reigns defeats both Ambrose and Rollins for the title Which would only be acceptable if they did the double turn with Rollins.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jul 15, 2016 8:40:37 GMT -5
They've been ripping Reigns weekly so it may be true Thats more or less just a tactic to keep his name fresh on tv so nobody forgets about him when he is in the main event at Battleground But he doesn't need to be embarrassed weekly. It's basically the main point in this feud right now, pointing out how Roman is a monster and disgusting human being. Everyone knows what he did, everyone gets what he did was wrong so it's clear as day that this is a part of his punishment, the verbal abuse from Rollins every week about how terrible of a person he is. You can talk about the guy to keep the feud going without him. They did it with Lesnar/Reigns. But he's being made out like he's a terrible person non-stop.
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Post by xtremebadass on Jul 15, 2016 10:16:40 GMT -5
Thats more or less just a tactic to keep his name fresh on tv so nobody forgets about him when he is in the main event at Battleground But he doesn't need to be embarrassed weekly. It's basically the main point in this feud right now, pointing out how Roman is a monster and disgusting human being. Everyone knows what he did, everyone gets what he did was wrong so it's clear as day that this is a part of his punishment, the verbal abuse from Rollins every week about how terrible of a person he is. You can talk about the guy to keep the feud going without him. They did it with Lesnar/Reigns. But he's being made out like he's a terrible person non-stop. Well when the company goes all in on one guy and pretty much neglects the rest of the roster and that guy ends up making a huge mistake such as this, I think he deserves to be ridiculed. He had the opportunity of a lifetime and he still screwed it up. He could be the nicest guy in the world, but from a professional standpoint he made a terrible move career-wise and a thirty day suspension is not punishment enough. WWE sacrificed time, resources, the rest of the roster, TV ratings, etc. into this Roman project to the utter disgust of most fans hoping it would ultimately pay off in their favor and he made a big mistake at the worst possible time. I lol everytime Rollins rips Roman. It is deserved. I don't think Roman should be rewarded with a title match once he comes back, but I figure this might be the only time for WWE to do the triple threat match considering the draft and who knows what Roman's placement on the card will be after the draft. That is also why I think they blew this match off at Battleground. Everyone wanted the match and they just wanted to get it out of the way.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jul 15, 2016 11:13:29 GMT -5
But he doesn't need to be embarrassed weekly. It's basically the main point in this feud right now, pointing out how Roman is a monster and disgusting human being. Everyone knows what he did, everyone gets what he did was wrong so it's clear as day that this is a part of his punishment, the verbal abuse from Rollins every week about how terrible of a person he is. You can talk about the guy to keep the feud going without him. They did it with Lesnar/Reigns. But he's being made out like he's a terrible person non-stop. Well when the company goes all in on one guy and pretty much neglects the rest of the roster and that guy ends up making a huge mistake such as this, I think he deserves to be ridiculed. He had the opportunity of a lifetime and he still screwed it up. He could be the nicest guy in the world, but from a professional standpoint he made a terrible move career-wise and a thirty day suspension is not punishment enough. WWE sacrificed time, resources, the rest of the roster, TV ratings, etc. into this Roman project to the utter disgust of most fans hoping it would ultimately pay off in their favor and he made a big mistake at the worst possible time. I lol everytime Rollins rips Roman. It is deserved. I don't think Roman should be rewarded with a title match once he comes back, but I figure this might be the only time for WWE to do the triple threat match considering the draft and who knows what Roman's placement on the card will be after the draft. That is also why I think they blew this match off at Battleground. Everyone wanted the match and they just wanted to get it out of the way. Not saying he doesn't deserve it because he does. It's just that people think there's no true reason behind why he's being ripped so badly each week and are just accepting it as part of the storyline when it's more clear than a piece of glass lol that there's a wholehearted reasoning behind it
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 15, 2016 14:19:50 GMT -5
I'll believe it when it happens.
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 15, 2016 15:31:41 GMT -5
Monday Night Wars: We better push wrestler X and depush person Y because X is over and Y isn't.
After the Monday Night Wars: Who cares if this person's over or not? We'll force him on the fans and edit out their reactions.
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Post by #DI-WHY? on Jul 15, 2016 15:49:43 GMT -5
Not a chance. If Vince was really giving up on him, then why did he wait until several days after he failed his drug test before announcing it and why is Roman in the main event of a PPV wrestling for the title the second his suspension ends? I don't believe this for a second. He waited several days, because if he announced it then and there, the HUGE MitB main event would have to be cancelled and the belt would be vacated. and Roman is in the main event of Battleground, because the WWE Championship Shield Triole Threat is two years in the making, and is a cash cow. Vince isnt going to give that up just to punish Roman. And to all the people saying "Vince was so high on him, there's no way this is true", imagine you put all your time and effort into someone, even though it began to hurt your work life, and you were convinced you could make them better. Then they turn around, take everything for granted, and violate the wellness policy. How would you feel about that? Now take that feeling, and add Vince's ego. He probably took it as a low blow from Roman, that after ALL Vince had done for him, he had the audacity to pull that bs. Or at least that's how I see it.
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Post by Rob on Jul 15, 2016 17:43:27 GMT -5
Roman Reigns was pushed far too early to be in this position he is in. He proved he cant hang on his own, Dude he still full blown in Shield mode, He hasn't evolved in the slightest. Everytime he is in a feud, He needs to be completely carried by his opponent on the mic to sell the story. Thats not top guy material. Now with this suspension, he has proved he cant be reliable/dependable.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 10:38:26 GMT -5
Roman Reigns was pushed far too early to be in this position he is in. He proved he cant hang on his own, Dude he still full blown in Shield mode, He hasn't evolved in the slightest. Everytime he is in a feud, He needs to be completely carried by his opponent on the mic to sell the story. Thats not top guy material. Now with this suspension, he has proved he cant be reliable/dependable. I can't agree with this enough, It comes down to image. Yea his mic skills are medicore. His in-ring skills are good. But his image hasn't changed since his debut. Rollins changed to tights. Ambrose changed to a street gear guy. For Roman to evolve, he needs to step out of the Sheild attire and adopt THE guy look. As much as I want him to use a Samoan look, with shin high tights and bare feet, thats just not passable. I feel black tights with Roman on the right leg and Reigns on the left, choose your font, with The Guy on the back. With White boots.
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 16, 2016 11:48:32 GMT -5
Roman Reigns was pushed far too early to be in this position he is in. He proved he cant hang on his own, Dude he still full blown in Shield mode, He hasn't evolved in the slightest. Everytime he is in a feud, He needs to be completely carried by his opponent on the mic to sell the story. Thats not top guy material. Now with this suspension, he has proved he cant be reliable/dependable. I can't agree with this enough, It comes down to image. Yea his mic skills are medicore. His in-ring skills are good. But his image hasn't changed since his debut. Rollins changed to tights. Ambrose changed to a street gear guy. For Roman to evolve, he needs to step out of the Sheild attire and adopt THE guy look. As much as I want him to use a Samoan look, with shin high tights and bare feet, thats just not passable. I feel black tights with Roman on the right leg and Reigns on the left, choose your font, with The Guy on the back. With White boots. How's this different than say, Booker T when he came to the top of WCW while still using the Harlem Heat music?
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 11:50:36 GMT -5
I can't agree with this enough, It comes down to image. Yea his mic skills are medicore. His in-ring skills are good. But his image hasn't changed since his debut. Rollins changed to tights. Ambrose changed to a street gear guy. For Roman to evolve, he needs to step out of the Sheild attire and adopt THE guy look. As much as I want him to use a Samoan look, with shin high tights and bare feet, thats just not passable. I feel black tights with Roman on the right leg and Reigns on the left, choose your font, with The Guy on the back. With White boots. How's this different than say, Booker T when he came to the top of WCW while still using the Harlem Heat music? Booker T established himself as a main eventer in WCW, along with the acquisition of WCW came the music rights aswell. Why pay someone to come up with new music when you coukd use an already excisting song? Besides, it was the invasion. Why not use their old music?
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 16, 2016 12:01:22 GMT -5
How's this different than say, Booker T when he came to the top of WCW while still using the Harlem Heat music? Booker T established himself as a main eventer in WCW, along with the acquisition of WCW came the music rights aswell. Why pay someone to come up with new music when you coukd use an already excisting song? Besides, it was the invasion. Why not use their old music? No. I'm saying Booker T became a main eventer in WCW without using new music. Say what you will about WCW in 2000, Booker T was over as can be as the face champ. If things went as Roman had hoped, he wouldn't be pushed to the moon in WCW. Instead, we'd be watching Joe Anao'i on Sunday afternoons during the Fall.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jul 16, 2016 13:42:37 GMT -5
Not a chance. If Vince was really giving up on him, then why did he wait until several days after he failed his drug test before announcing it and why is Roman in the main event of a PPV wrestling for the title the second his suspension ends? I don't believe this for a second. He waited several days, because if he announced it then and there, the HUGE MitB main event would have to be cancelled and the belt would be vacated. and Roman is in the main event of Battleground, because the WWE Championship Shield Triole Threat is two years in the making, and is a cash cow. Vince isnt going to give that up just to punish Roman. And to all the people saying "Vince was so high on him, there's no way this is true", imagine you put all your time and effort into someone, even though it began to hurt your work life, and you were convinced you could make them better. Then they turn around, take everything for granted, and violate the wellness policy. How would you feel about that? Now take that feeling, and add Vince's ego. He probably took it as a low blow from Roman, that after ALL Vince had done for him, he had the audacity to pull that bs. Or at least that's how I see it. Vince's ego in believing that Roman is his next big star is how things have gotten to this point to begin with. Vince has had numerous opportunities to pull the plug on the failed experiment and he's refused to because he's so stubborn. I fail to see how a failed drug test that the company conveniently announced only AFTER Roman was announced to be wrestling for the title at their next PPV is a sign that Vince has given up on him. If anything, this entire situation has just been another unsuccessful attempt by Vince to get Roman over as a babyface.
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 16, 2016 13:57:30 GMT -5
He waited several days, because if he announced it then and there, the HUGE MitB main event would have to be cancelled and the belt would be vacated. and Roman is in the main event of Battleground, because the WWE Championship Shield Triole Threat is two years in the making, and is a cash cow. Vince isnt going to give that up just to punish Roman. And to all the people saying "Vince was so high on him, there's no way this is true", imagine you put all your time and effort into someone, even though it began to hurt your work life, and you were convinced you could make them better. Then they turn around, take everything for granted, and violate the wellness policy. How would you feel about that? Now take that feeling, and add Vince's ego. He probably took it as a low blow from Roman, that after ALL Vince had done for him, he had the audacity to pull that bs. Or at least that's how I see it. Vince's ego in believing that Roman is his next big star is how things have gotten to this point to begin with. Vince has had numerous opportunities to pull the plug on the failed experiment and he's refused to because he's so stubborn. I fail to see how a failed drug test that the company conveniently announced only AFTER Roman was announced to be wrestling for the title at their next PPV is a sign that Vince has given up on him. If anything, this entire situation has just been another unsuccessful attempt by Vince to get Roman over as a babyface. It makes you wonder what got him to be convinced not to put the belt on Made in the USA after forcing him on the fans at the time. Vince is stuck in Hulkamania time. Sure, once in a great while he throws us a bone (e.g. Daniel Bryan WrestleMania 30) but instead of letting his workers be themselves, he wants comedic, smiling, cheery babyfaces, most who are completely jacked, have a nice look and are Pro-USA. In case Vince forgot, the business has changed since the 1980s. Almost everybody now knows this is a work. You can't just put anything in front of the fans anymore and think they'll automatically love it.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Jul 16, 2016 14:28:21 GMT -5
Booker T established himself as a main eventer in WCW, along with the acquisition of WCW came the music rights aswell. Why pay someone to come up with new music when you coukd use an already excisting song? Besides, it was the invasion. Why not use their old music? No. I'm saying Booker T became a main eventer in WCW without using new music. Say what you will about WCW in 2000, Booker T was over as can be as the face champ. If things went as Roman had hoped, he wouldn't be pushed to the moon in WCW. Instead, we'd be watching Joe Anao'i on Sunday afternoons during the Fall. Booker T had spent years toiling around making a name for himself and building that base through his fueds. Not to mention he is on another planet when it comes to being charismatic. At least by the time he became world champ he had mostly changed his attire, as well as subtle hair style differences. Romans stopped coming through the crowd, that's pretty much the only thing that's changed about him since the Shield split.
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 16, 2016 14:36:24 GMT -5
No. I'm saying Booker T became a main eventer in WCW without using new music. Say what you will about WCW in 2000, Booker T was over as can be as the face champ. If things went as Roman had hoped, he wouldn't be pushed to the moon in WCW. Instead, we'd be watching Joe Anao'i on Sunday afternoons during the Fall. Booker T had spent years toiling around making a name for himself and building that base through his fueds. Not to mention he is on another planet when it comes to being charismatic. At least by the time he became world champ he had mostly changed his attire, as well as subtle hair style differences. Romans stopped coming through the crowd, that's pretty much the only thing that's changed about him since the Shield split. What's crazy is sometimes keeping stuff from the tag team/stable is a bad thing, like Jannetty. I think what I like least about Roman Reigns, aside from him being forced on fans who don't want him, is that he's booked to be this anti-authority figure when in actuality he's a corporate champ with the machibe behind him. Being anti-corporate gives much more believability when it's Austin, Punk, Bryan, Ambrose. Cena and Reigns would be better off as corporate champions.
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Post by #DI-WHY? on Jul 16, 2016 19:21:34 GMT -5
He waited several days, because if he announced it then and there, the HUGE MitB main event would have to be cancelled and the belt would be vacated. and Roman is in the main event of Battleground, because the WWE Championship Shield Triole Threat is two years in the making, and is a cash cow. Vince isnt going to give that up just to punish Roman. And to all the people saying "Vince was so high on him, there's no way this is true", imagine you put all your time and effort into someone, even though it began to hurt your work life, and you were convinced you could make them better. Then they turn around, take everything for granted, and violate the wellness policy. How would you feel about that? Now take that feeling, and add Vince's ego. He probably took it as a low blow from Roman, that after ALL Vince had done for him, he had the audacity to pull that bs. Or at least that's how I see it. Vince's ego in believing that Roman is his next big star is how things have gotten to this point to begin with. Vince has had numerous opportunities to pull the plug on the failed experiment and he's refused to because he's so stubborn. I fail to see how a failed drug test that the company conveniently announced only AFTER Roman was announced to be wrestling for the title at their next PPV is a sign that Vince has given up on him. If anything, this entire situation has just been another unsuccessful attempt by Vince to get Roman over as a babyface. I don't think this is about Vince admitting defeat, this is about Reigns basically slapping Vince in the face after Vince put all the time and effort into him.
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