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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 15, 2016 1:41:00 GMT -5
I was thinking about this recently so I decided to look it up on youtube, and of course it's there. (again, why do we need the WWE Network?? Everything is already on youtube or dailymotion)
But here is the video for those who never saw it back in the day.
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Post by PJ on Aug 15, 2016 4:11:56 GMT -5
Holy Cr@p! I just watched this yesterday after watching an interview with JJ, Tully and Magnum where one of the questions they asked Tully was if they had a say onto who was going to be a Horsemen. Then JJ told a story of how Lex was working in FLA and was in a cage match with Bruiser Brody and he did something to Brody during the match the Bruiser to offense to. So Brody kicked the cr@p out of him to the point that Lex climbed out of the cage went into the dressing room packed his bags and left. So the promotor called Crockett and asked if they could use him and that was how he became a Horsemen. Then Tully couldn't remember how they removed him from the Horsemen to make the switch to Barry's heel turn and joining them. So JJ reminded him of the Bunkhouse Stampede match. It is funny that you just posted that. lol
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Post by marino13 on Aug 15, 2016 10:17:44 GMT -5
I haven't seen that in so long. I miss those days.
Luger gets a lot on unwarranted hate IMO. Sure compared to today's talent he was lacking. But for the time he was on par with Hogan. Limited move-set because they were so big and powerful.
I didn't mind Luger in the Horsemen, but no denying they took a big step forward once Windham joined. He was the perfect fit.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 15, 2016 10:53:45 GMT -5
I agree about Luger with everything that is being said here.
What really pissed me off the most about the Luger situation is that he never did beat Flair for the World Title. Not in 1988, or 89 or 90, or even in 91 when he was actually booked to beat Flair at GAB 91.
The story of Flair on his WWE DVDs saying he was gonna drop the belt to Barry Windham and leave WCW is clearly a lie. Barry was in the Horsemen at the time, so I don't see a possible reasoning for Barry to win the belt off Flair. And with Lex vs. Flair already booked for GAB 91, it seemed clear to me that Lex was going to be the one to end Flair's reign.
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Post by PJ on Aug 15, 2016 11:00:36 GMT -5
Not sure how true this is...but in the interview I was watching yesterday they (Tully or JJ) said Flair didn't drop the title to Lex because he had promised it to Sting and then Sting got hurt when Doug Dellinger and security pulled Sting off the cage tearing his ACL when he landed. So they said Flair didn't want to drop it to Lex, because it would have hurt the momentum Sting had built up. They said he wanted Sting to get the full rub of Sting beating him for the title.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 15, 2016 11:48:16 GMT -5
I actually spent years HATING Ric Flair because he never dropped the Championship to Luger. But once I got older and I understand longer title reigns make the moment more special, I forgave him.... somewhat. Still a hard pill to swallow.
I still think that is what they were trying to duplicate during the "Reign of Terror". Longer reign to make the eventual title change feel more magical.
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Post by T R W on Aug 15, 2016 11:54:26 GMT -5
I know I am in the minority, but I loved Lex in the Horsemen, and I preferred him to Barry. I loved Windham, but he always worked better as a face to me, despite him being a great Horseman in his own right.
Ole > Luger > Windham. But I know most people feel differently.
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Post by Gone. on Aug 15, 2016 13:53:26 GMT -5
The quality of that VHS Tape is why we need the network, along with its 480p videos of past events.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Aug 15, 2016 15:53:20 GMT -5
Throw my name into the hat with others who feel Luger gets a bad rap these days. I was a kid when Luger was coming up in JCP/WCW and he entertained the hell out of me. I bought into every time he challenged Flair. Had me on the edge of my seat for many a ppv that he was gonna take my favorite down and walk out champion. Lol.....i had no idea he was a sloppy or "sub par" worker for years. Wheras i could see through Hogans routine over at WWF as early as i can recall. Even when he went to WWF, i thought Lugers style was watered down and less exciting simply because he was working the WWF style and portraying a character rather than the Total Package. After his return to WCW i could see shades of the Luger i knew coming back, but he really did drop off into mediocrity around 98. Still, he gets hate for his 87-91 period and i can't see how. Say what you want about a lot of what came after, but he was convincing as hell during those initial years. Even if that can be credited to great opponents like Flair, Dusty,Windham, Steamboat and Sting. I'm holding out hope that Mattel will throw us a bone and either give us a basic Luger in black trunks /white boots or blue trunks/white boots to commemorate his JCP/early WCW run.
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Post by RWF on Aug 15, 2016 16:01:23 GMT -5
Holy Cr@p! I just watched this yesterday after watching an interview with JJ, Tully and Magnum where one of the questions they asked Tully was if they had a say onto who was going to be a Horsemen. Then JJ told a story of how Lex was working in FLA and was in a cage match with Bruiser Brody and he did something to Brody during the match the Bruiser to offense to. So Brody kicked the cr@p out of him to the point that Lex climbed out of the cage went into the dressing room packed his bags and left. So the promotor called Crockett and asked if they could use him and that was how he became a Horsemen. Then Tully couldn't remember how they removed him from the Horsemen to make the switch to Barry's heel turn and joining them. So JJ reminded him of the Bunkhouse Stampede match. It is funny that you just posted that. lol This story isn't true though. JJ is making crap up. Brody was mad at the promoter and just "stopped working" in the match with Luger. It apparently had nothing to do with Luger at all, but was more about the promoter not treating Brody right. He never "beat the crap" out of Luger. Lex tried to get him to work and when he refused, Luger climbed the cage and left. Whether that caused Luger to leave the territory or not, no one can say for sure. There's video of the match, and you can plainly see what happened so it's stupid for JJ to make stuff up. Sadly, this is one of those wrestling urban myths that's gotten to the point that even actual wrestling people are retelling it as if it's true when video and countless other stories including those from people who were actually there, contradict it. |
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Post by jeffro2000 on Aug 15, 2016 16:15:57 GMT -5
Yeah JJ seems to be embellishing the Brody story.
I too loved Luger as a kid and hated that he could never beat Flair. He would always dominate him, but Flair would keep the belt. It made me hate Flair so much which was the point.
Now when WWE book champions, and they always keep the belt through nefarious ways, fans complain about the champ looking weak. Flair looked weak for 20yrs, didn't hurt him any.
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 15, 2016 16:55:12 GMT -5
I haven't seen that in so long. I miss those days. Luger gets a lot on unwarranted hate IMO. Sure compared to today's talent he was lacking. But for the time he was on par with Hogan. Limited move-set because they were so big and powerful. I didn't mind Luger in the Horsemen, but no denying they took a big step forward once Windham joined. He was the perfect fit. I wonder how much of the hate is because of his work or because of what happened with Liz... |
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Post by jeffro2000 on Aug 15, 2016 18:51:33 GMT -5
I haven't seen that in so long. I miss those days. Luger gets a lot on unwarranted hate IMO. Sure compared to today's talent he was lacking. But for the time he was on par with Hogan. Limited move-set because they were so big and powerful. I didn't mind Luger in the Horsemen, but no denying they took a big step forward once Windham joined. He was the perfect fit. I wonder how much of the hate is because of his work or because of what happened with Liz... I would say some of it is Liz. A lot of it is that other wrestlers/promoters didn't like him. Luger didn't love the business. He was there for the paycheck. He had a great look but wasn't super talented. Many of them didn't like him so fans think they aren't suppose to. Some will say he never drew money but he did with Flair and WWE too. The rest of it comes from the Internet fans, most who never saw him prior to the attitude era, saying he can't wrestle like Dean Malenko, so I don't like him. He was entertaining to me. His 1st WCW run was good weather he was a Horseman, fighting Flair, Hansen, Nikita, Sting, Steiners, Steamboat, etc. WWE run was good up to Mania X. I stopped watching WCW around 97. |
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Post by RWF on Aug 15, 2016 20:04:30 GMT -5
Most regular people loved Luger. When he beat Hogan, it was just about the biggest thing in wrestling. Even if it was only a setup for something later, listen at the pop it got.
Internet fans are a different beast these days because everything is snowflakes and workrate.
And Luger got lots of good pops even when he wasn't doing big things. He used to wrestler random big guys on Nitro and always got a good reception for it. He was a natural star.
He was no Dean Malenko in the ring, but he was a fine power wrestler.
I don't think he really started phoning it in until late 98, early 99. By that point though, he started going through the motions.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 15, 2016 22:05:59 GMT -5
The funny thing is that Lex Luger did get into wrestling for the money, he didn't care about the appeal of it from the fans eyes back in the 80s and early 90s, but now he is a different person with it. He stated many times that he loves the wrestling fans, and that they are the most forgiving and nicest fans out there.
He could be saying that now because all he does are those fan conventions and all the money helps that he gets from the fans, but I actually believe he is telling the truth now regarding his love for wrestling fans.
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Post by Himmy! on Aug 16, 2016 3:18:49 GMT -5
Yeah, add me to the list of people who thinks Lex gets a bad rap. I really enjoyed his late 80's and early 90's run. He was still really over in 1997.
However, I wasn't particularly keen on him in the Horsemen. Barry was a much better fit for the group in my opinion.
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Post by PJ on Aug 16, 2016 4:01:49 GMT -5
I always enjoyed Lex as the Total Package in WCW, but never wanted him as the World Champion. As for the WWE I was never a fan of his Lex Express or Narcissist gimmicks. As far as his abilities go I felt his wrestling talent/style was on par with the other power guys. I think his bad rep is because of all the interviews on the documentarys where everyone except for Sting seems to say the same thing "He was never a fan of the business"..." He felt wrestling was beneath him"..."he didn't care he was just in it for a paycheck"..."He was hard to work with" after a while people feel it must all be true.
As for the 4 Horsemen groups for me it was
Flair, Arn, Tully and Barry
Flair, Arn, Tully and Ole
Flair, Arn, Tully and Lex
Flair, Arn, Barry and Sid
I did like Benoit in the group with Arn and Flair, but not Malenko, Pillman, Mongo, Roma or anyone else that was part of the Horsemen over the years.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 20, 2016 4:21:04 GMT -5
Not sure how true this is...but in the interview I was watching yesterday they (Tully or JJ) said Flair didn't drop the title to Lex because he had promised it to Sting and then Sting got hurt when Doug Dellinger and security pulled Sting off the cage tearing his ACL when he landed. So they said Flair didn't want to drop it to Lex, because it would have hurt the momentum Sting had built up. They said he wanted Sting to get the full rub of Sting beating him for the title. I have heard this story plenty of times too. Its the one I'm inclined to believe too. |
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