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Post by Dan on Aug 24, 2016 16:06:27 GMT -5
While I think Miz went on there with good intentions, and he did even make a fairly legitimate statement about how his wrestling style keeps him in the game every day as opposed to Bryan's, but it was clearly very personal and he did go a little far with his anger. The point he made in relation to him 'quitting and going back to the Indy's if he loves wrestling so much' struck a nerve with Bryan, he didn't really need to make that comment because it's clear as day that Bryan loves wrestling. I can understand his frustration, and I have said for a while that he's one of the most underrated on the Roster. He's as comfortable and creative on the Mic as you can get and he's passionate about the business. He has every right to be wound up with never receiving a Main Event push since as long as I can remember, but it's just the time we are in now. There's such an influx of new and brilliant in-ring talent that it seems as though his ship has sailed in terms of another WWE Championship run.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 24, 2016 17:07:30 GMT -5
While I think Miz went on there with good intentions, and he did even make a fairly legitimate statement about how his wrestling style keeps him in the game every day as opposed to Bryan's, but it was clearly very personal and he did go a little far with his anger. The point he made in relation to him 'quitting and going back to the Indy's if he loves wrestling so much' struck a nerve with Bryan, he didn't really need to make that comment because it's clear as day that Bryan loves wrestling. I can understand his frustration, and I have said for a while that he's one of the most underrated on the Roster. He's as comfortable and creative on the Mic as you can get and he's passionate about the business. He has every right to be wound up with never receiving a Main Event push since as long as I can remember, but it's just the time we are in now. There's such an influx of new and brilliant in-ring talent that it seems as though his ship has sailed in terms of another WWE Championship run. Not talking about you specifically, but I think a lot of people have been missing the point of this segment today. The point isn't to take one side or the other. From a kayfabe perspective, Daniel Bryan is in the right and The Miz is in the wrong. I think 98% of fans looking at the segment from that perspective would agree. The point is that Miz is absolutely wrong here, but what makes it a good promo is that his point totally makes sense from his character's perspective. He's not a guy who cut his teeth in smelly gyms and empty barns; he slipped in the back door as a D-list reality TV "star" and shot straight to The Show. Yes, once he got there he paid his dues for a few years before getting an opportunity to shine on his own, but he and Daniel Bryan have been successful through completely different avenues and for totally different reasons. Daniel Bryan is an in-ring workhorse who slaved away in every awful territory imaginable before finally getting a chance in WWE and getting treated as a joke for his first few months before really getting that singles push based almost completely on the quality of his in-ring work. The Miz has been riding his charisma on his path to his current position, and has been able to carve out an extremely successful career of almost a decade. I loved The Miz's promo because it was 100% sports entertainment, he stayed true to his character but found a way to personalize this promo with his obvious passion. His character's worldview is that he's an A-list actor/entertainer who just happens to be a wrestler. I can guarantee you Mike Mizanin doesn't truly feel that Bryan Danielson is a coward or an idiot for the way he wrestled or the way he (temporarily?) retired. And the point of the promo isn't for people to agree with how The Miz views wrestling; the point is to think he's a total jerkoff who had no business disrespecting a guy who is by all accounts a much more talented wrestler. In this stage of his career, The Miz isn't the same hungry, desperate guy that he was in 2010 just teeming with hatred for everyone that disrespected him and held him down. He's the Hollywood movie star who main-evented a Wrestlemania as the WWE Champion and will tell you to your face that he's better than you because of that. This whole segment was pulled off perfectly because both guys stayed true to their characters, spoke with passion and made it feel real (in part because they have amazing chemistry together). It's classic heel vs. babyface. This isn't a grey area where we have to figure out if John Cena is shooting on The Rock and which side we want to take. Miz was doing what he does better than anyone else in the company right now: he managed to get his douchey heel character over while making everyone want the other guy to put his lights out.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Aug 24, 2016 17:20:54 GMT -5
If there is ANY criticism to be thrown about here, its that these two guys just had a money promo/segment that cannot (as far as i know)go anywhere due to one guys retirement/health. Thats still not the part i criticize though. Its the fact that those guys could knock it out of the park with such conviction and passion,and you really wanna see a payoff, but no one can seem to give those type of performances on the active roster and main programs. This was a clear example of letting two guys get a point across,kayfabe wise, but doing it with little to no scripting. Just going with their gut. The fact that Miz stumbled across some words, and Daniel stormed off just made it seem so genuinely played. No buzzwords or memorizing needed. Creative could stand to take note. Some guys need coaching and scripts,let them have it.......but the guys who do not need to be force fed dialogue should be allowed to use that skill to their advantage. The art of "talking them into the building" like Dusty Rhodes is not old hat. This little business from Miz/Bryan proves it with all the reaction its getting.
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Post by weaseltv on Aug 24, 2016 18:28:12 GMT -5
After Mick Foley tweeted about the Miz.. this makes me think, it pretty much sets up the trade where RAW gets the Miz and Smackdown gets Cesaro.
they can make the trade and put them against each other at Backlash. Cesaro wins thus keeping the IC title on Smackdown...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 18:44:39 GMT -5
After Mick Foley tweeted about the Miz.. this makes me think, it pretty much sets up the trade where RAW gets the Miz and Smackdown gets Cesaro. they can make the trade and put them against each other at Backlash. Cesaro wins thus keeping the IC title on Smackdown... They only issue with that is Cesaro is locked in the best of 7 with Sheamus and Smackdown needs their heels, whereas raw is heel heavy and needs faces.
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Post by weaseltv on Aug 24, 2016 19:02:13 GMT -5
After Mick Foley tweeted about the Miz.. this makes me think, it pretty much sets up the trade where RAW gets the Miz and Smackdown gets Cesaro. they can make the trade and put them against each other at Backlash. Cesaro wins thus keeping the IC title on Smackdown... They only issue with that is Cesaro is locked in the best of 7 with Sheamus and Smackdown needs their heels, whereas raw is heel heavy and needs faces. meh... they can delay it til survivor series then, which would make sense since both brands will be there....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 19:24:46 GMT -5
The miz is just a boring wrestler. Classic wwe soft style.
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Post by Jimmy Toucan (+ The Flipout) on Aug 24, 2016 19:28:47 GMT -5
Saw it on my Facebook feed this morning. Wow. Astounding. I enjoyed the heat of that moment, it was great. Miz was on fire.
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Post by HHH316 on Aug 24, 2016 23:03:27 GMT -5
I loved how aggressive he came off.
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Post by Epic Z on Aug 25, 2016 1:51:43 GMT -5
Obviously not a real shoot, but it made me feel something I haven't felt in a long, long time with a promo in WWE. I felt the emotion, I felt the intensity. The crap that people actually watched wrestling for back in the day, that none of these internet darlings have been able to deliver despite workrate woo! Roman, neither, so don't play that card. Legit the best promo this year in WWE, and that's not hard to beat because so many of these darlings couldn't cut a good promo with a gun to their head. Cena can obviously cut a great promo too, but he hasn't been around much this year. I'd rather listen to a guy like that talk, than watch a charisma vacuum like Cesaro wrestle. It's been getting harder for me to like WWE, but SmackDown has generally been more entertaining as of late. Even Ziggler is stepping up his game, and AJ has improved as well. Good stuff. I said about a year ago that WWE needed to re-build their midcard division with The Miz and this solidified it. I want more great promos in WWE. God, I miss it so much. I'm so sick of these dorks that can't talk for crap. The more old wrestling I watch with guys like Hogan, Macho, Flair, Stone Cold, Rock, HBK, Stan Hansen, and so on, the more I hate what it's become. There is no larger than life characters anymore, very few guys that are truly great to hear. Even midcarders like Val Venis could cut a better promo than 90% of the roster today. Bray Wyatt is good, but his words have no impact because we all know they are hollow. Aren't you a huge Nakamura fan? He barely knows English yet alone how to cut a promo. I don't disagree with some of the things you're saying, but I can't help but see that contradiction haha.
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Post by becks007 on Aug 25, 2016 3:50:34 GMT -5
I wonder if this can possibly push Miz's career even further than before. Its pretty similar to how CM Punk's pipebomb on RAW helped push him to the top and gained popularity.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Aug 25, 2016 11:27:37 GMT -5
If there is ANY criticism to be thrown about here, its that these two guys just had a money promo/segment that cannot (as far as i know)go anywhere due to one guys retirement/health. Thats still not the part i criticize though. Its the fact that those guys could knock it out of the park with such conviction and passion,and you really wanna see a payoff, but no one can seem to give those type of performances on the active roster and main programs. This was a clear example of letting two guys get a point across,kayfabe wise, but doing it with little to no scripting. Just going with their gut. The fact that Miz stumbled across some words, and Daniel stormed off just made it seem so genuinely played. No buzzwords or memorizing needed. Creative could stand to take note. Some guys need coaching and scripts,let them have it.......but the guys who do not need to be force fed dialogue should be allowed to use that skill to their advantage. The art of "talking them into the building" like Dusty Rhodes is not old hat. This little business from Miz/Bryan proves it with all the reaction its getting. It can go somewhere as there's three people in NXT that Bryan could use as a heavy to make Miz put up or shut up.
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Post by Colter on Aug 25, 2016 11:34:39 GMT -5
Obviously not a real shoot, but it made me feel something I haven't felt in a long, long time with a promo in WWE. I felt the emotion, I felt the intensity. The crap that people actually watched wrestling for back in the day, that none of these internet darlings have been able to deliver despite workrate woo! Roman, neither, so don't play that card. Legit the best promo this year in WWE, and that's not hard to beat because so many of these darlings couldn't cut a good promo with a gun to their head. Cena can obviously cut a great promo too, but he hasn't been around much this year. I'd rather listen to a guy like that talk, than watch a charisma vacuum like Cesaro wrestle. It's been getting harder for me to like WWE, but SmackDown has generally been more entertaining as of late. Even Ziggler is stepping up his game, and AJ has improved as well. Good stuff. I said about a year ago that WWE needed to re-build their midcard division with The Miz and this solidified it. I want more great promos in WWE. God, I miss it so much. I'm so sick of these dorks that can't talk for crap. The more old wrestling I watch with guys like Hogan, Macho, Flair, Stone Cold, Rock, HBK, Stan Hansen, and so on, the more I hate what it's become. There is no larger than life characters anymore, very few guys that are truly great to hear. Even midcarders like Val Venis could cut a better promo than 90% of the roster today. Bray Wyatt is good, but his words have no impact because we all know they are hollow. Bolded is what I agree with you on. It was a fantastic promo, and it made me take notice of Miz again. He's really been enjoyable since the draft (and well, even before then).
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Post by tylerbreezee on Aug 25, 2016 11:43:37 GMT -5
So apparently this is not gonna be the first we see this and it's going to be over a period of time, guys baiting Bryan about similar things that may lead to an in ring return. Just what ive seen popping up. I can believe it because Bryan can return. He was cleared by everyone what but WWE so it's all up to them and if they really wanted, they can clear him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 12:24:16 GMT -5
It wouldn't be smart for Bryan to wrestle again. If he was cleared and could wrestle, he'd be doing it already.
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Post by Valbroski on Aug 25, 2016 15:12:23 GMT -5
I hope Jericho showed up wanting answers for if it was a shoot or not.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Aug 27, 2016 3:16:42 GMT -5
Loved it. Miz killed it.. he's right to be mad and I totally get being sick and tired of hearing all the criticism.. that said, I do think he "wrestles like a coward." I think he knows what he's doing, and certainly under valued, but it's very rare where I think he had match of the night. In a top 50 WWE matches of all time, I'm not sure Miz has a single one that ranks for me. Still, the dude is reliable and safe; there's certainly something to be said for that.
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Post by Manning Of Steel on Aug 28, 2016 8:33:11 GMT -5
Obviously a scripted promo, that Miz was able to deliver well. That being said, Quality over Quantity every single time and Miz's entire career doesn't hold a candle to a single night of Bryan's. Miz is not a wrestler, he's a sports entertainer. He came into the business because he wanted to be a reality TV star. Now he's trying to become a movie star, and if he was able to land some decent roles, he'd high tail out of WWE just like Dwayne did. Bryan genuinely loves wrestling and he had to bust his ass for 10 years on the Indy's before getting a shot.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 28, 2016 10:42:15 GMT -5
Miz is not a wrestler, he's a sports entertainer. Same thing. It's like saying "Brock Lesnar isn't a UFC fighter, he's an octagon combatant."
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 28, 2016 16:17:55 GMT -5
Obviously a scripted promo, that Miz was able to deliver well. That being said, Quality over Quantity every single time and Miz's entire career doesn't hold a candle to a single night of Bryan's. Miz is not a wrestler, he's a sports entertainer. He came into the business because he wanted to be a reality TV star. Now he's trying to become a movie star, and if he was able to land some decent roles, he'd high tail out of WWE just like Dwayne did. Bryan genuinely loves wrestling and he had to bust his ass for 10 years on the Indy's before getting a shot. Boy, this is a terrible take.
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