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Post by Escape The Rules on Aug 26, 2016 14:38:59 GMT -5
I hate cigarette smoke and passive smokers with a passion, the less of them on the streets the better. At least I can breath comfortably when walking past people who "vape".
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Post by BCizzle on Aug 26, 2016 14:54:53 GMT -5
I liked Kane better when he couldn't talk.
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 26, 2016 14:55:11 GMT -5
Studies can show what you want them to show. There was a time when people thought smoking cigarettes was healthy, too. Just keep that in mind. There's always the chance that we're only about ten years away from seeing commercials on later night TV for attorneys looking to take cases from people who got cancer or other lung diseases from vaping. As for banning vaping in vape shops? Sure. I'm all for that. You have to keep in mind that not everyone who goes into a vape shop is buying for themselves. What if someone is buying a gift for someone? I'm not sure how it is where you live, but here, you can't smoke cigarettes almost anywhere anymore. You can't smoke them in puff shops, bars, or restaurants...there are bans everywhere. You also can't drink openly in beer distributors either. Now, if you're talking about a vape lounge or a testing area in a shop that's separate from the sales floor...then sure, vape away. But why can you vape in a vape shop when I can't smoke in a puff store? I mean, only smokers are going in there anyway... I didn't say drinking in a distributor location. I said a bar. Smoking is also allowed in most bars here too, if you want a bar that's non smoking you have to actually make sure they have the no smoking sign, along with all of the Puff stores I have been to that allow smoking, as long as they're not connected within a complex most do allow it. And for the ban in vape shops, it's the WHOLE shop they're trying to stop vaping in. It's not just the sales floor. They don't want separate sections for taste bars or "smokers lounges" or anything at all. They want to make it so you can only vape in your home. The county I live in is going further, trying to ban it from public in general; meaning even outside if it's not on your physical property. They don't even do that with cigarettes which HAVE known effects of second hand. So why only vaping? Why no vaping in a smokers bar? Or a separate tasting location? It's hypocrisy and an attempt to either get people to quit everything entirely or turn them back to cigarettes which remains one of most states top five single purchase tax cash cows that's lost hundreds of millions if not billions because of the rise of vaping. That way they can either claim they were the generation to end smoking, or they can show off how many millions of tax dollars they've raised because too many states have too big of contracts with Phillip Morris, RJ Reynolds, Winston Salem and others to split the tax money collected off of a pack whereas the vaping community doesn't have any kind of Big Tobacco backing. And once all of these mom and pop stores are forced to close, and the distributors stop manufacturing, guess what? The regulations will be loosened to allow ecigs back on the market and usable freely as a normal cigarette but the only products available? Blu, NJoy, Mark Ten and Vuse; conveniently owned by the Big Tobacco companies, or their subsidiaries. And they'll reword the current regulations so prohibition esque ecigs can't begin to be manufactured and the only choices will be what Phillip Morris and company make thus continuing the monopoly. And as for studies about lung cancer and other health risks, you do know vaping isn't a new thing right? It's one of the fastest growing industries in recent years, but these things have been studied for over a decade. A plethora of reputable research groups wouldn't just publish work on research from a very short period of time. Hell, before this hardcore regulation began the FDA said they were less hazardous than traditional cigarettes. Ecigs have been around for 13+ years. Sure, not as long as cigarettes, but plenty long enough for strong case studies to be completed and early conclusions to be made, even if they're not 100% complete yet. Sure, more effort should go into studying the effects but if these studies are almost all saying "more testing should be done but as of right now it's looking towards a positive trend" then that should say something. Work to still be done; but pockets have been lined, and many have chosen to remain ignorant on the topic so they might as well put an end to it before Big Tobacco actually encounters it's first real threat in decades and causes more trouble. Always best to stick to the status quo, even if it's killing millions every year. Not even going to bother arguing with you. Obviously you're not wrong.
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Post by Darkhawk on Aug 26, 2016 16:16:51 GMT -5
The only way for people to stop vaping is for one day have it explode in their face. Vaping is bad for you and it can kill you on a bad day.
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Aug 26, 2016 23:39:01 GMT -5
The FDA is there to help. If their study finds that Vape liquid has toxic chemicals, they'll shut it down. In my opinion, Vape is the dumbest craze. I watch people with them. They hit them like every 3 minutes, and after awhile must do sonething with their hands or they just puff and puff on their sticks. Point is, don't be a bitch, if you're going to smoke, get something real. Really? So instead of people using it to quit smoking you would rather they continue to pump tar into their body? I used it to quit smoking after 18 years by using a vape, it's become a hobby of mine building them, and instead of wasting money on cigarettes I'm saving it by vaping. The FDA is a crock of crap and will do what's best for the highest bidder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 5:34:54 GMT -5
I hate cigarette smoke and passive smokers with a passion, the less of them on the streets the better. At least I can breath comfortably when walking past people who "vape". You hate passive smokers? You know a passive smoker has very little choice to be a passive smoker? I'm not sure you understand what a passive smoker is mate. It's someone who is almost forced to breath in second hand smoke by having people smoking in their vicinity
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Post by Escape The Rules on Aug 27, 2016 8:53:03 GMT -5
I hate cigarette smoke and passive smokers with a passion, the less of them on the streets the better. At least I can breath comfortably when walking past people who "vape". You hate passive smokers? You know a passive smoker has very little choice to be a passive smoker? I'm not sure you understand what a passive smoker is mate. It's someone who is almost forced to breath in second hand smoke by having people smoking in their vicinity I know exactly what a passive smoker is so you can spare me the condescending lecture. They don't have a choice? I'll crack the jokes. I've seen myself in the past standing waiting to board a coach or waiting in a line for something outside. The strangers beside me have the choice to be considerate and either: not smoke or: go and stand a mere few feet away where there are no people and smoke there. But 9 times out of 10, they choose to be inconsiderate c*nts and instead light up and smoke right in my ing face. And being someone who suffers from asthma, it's even worse for me. They have plenty of choices. Smoke or don't smoke. Be considerate to those around them or be inconsiderate s and inflict their revolting second hand smoke upon everyone around them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 9:21:57 GMT -5
I dont thinks its as had as cigarettes, but its an industry that uses your health and addiction to market itself.
"Switch to the healthier option" Yet you can control your nicotine input.
You're Addicted to nicotine, not cigarettes. Sure you're not breathing in the same carcinogens as a menthol, but theres still no where near enough studies to prove anything.
The studies they have shown, prove that vaping has the same effects on immune genes as cigarettes do.
Without strong regulations, these companies can be putting cheap colors, flavorings or whatever in the fluid...just to make a buck.
You can find any research to help your claim.
Hell i can find research that will tell me weed will cure world hunger, doesnt mean its true.
Many of the worlds leading reseach scientists in the field, believe vaping is not as good as the public thinks
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 9:43:59 GMT -5
You hate passive smokers? You know a passive smoker has very little choice to be a passive smoker? I'm not sure you understand what a passive smoker is mate. It's someone who is almost forced to breath in second hand smoke by having people smoking in their vicinity I know exactly what a passive smoker is so you can spare me the condescending lecture. They don't have a choice? I'll crack the jokes. I've seen myself in the past standing waiting to board a coach or waiting in a line for something outside. The strangers beside me have the choice to be considerate and either: not smoke or: go and stand a mere few feet away where there are no people and smoke there. But 9 times out of 10, they choose to be inconsiderate c*nts and instead light up and smoke right in my ing face. And being someone who suffers from asthma, it's even worse for me. They have plenty of choices. Smoke or don't smoke. Be considerate to those around them or be inconsiderate s and inflict their revolting second hand smoke upon everyone around them. lol you're missing the point, a passive smoker is NOT someone who smokes near someone else, a passive smoker is the person being smoked near. So I apologise if it appeared condescending, but in fact I was right, you are mistaken with your understanding of the term. The passive smoker is the person near the smoker and NOT the person smoking near people
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 10:39:30 GMT -5
lol you're missing the point, a passive smoker is NOT someone who smokes near someone else, a passive smoker is the person being smoked near. So I apologise if it appeared condescending, but in fact I was right, you are mistaken with your understanding of the term. The passive smoker is the person near the smoker and NOT the person smoking near people Well if that's the case I feel very stupid right now. I guess what I should've said is that I hate inconsiderate smokers. Me too. Those bastards are the worst. I just walked into the shopping centre with my 4 year old and had to walk through a lung cancer tunnel
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Post by Valbroski on Aug 27, 2016 13:05:15 GMT -5
I enjoy smoking. I enjoy hookah, I enjoy another substance which we aren't allowed to talk about on here(not so much anymore since Ive gone back to school) and I enjoy a cigarette or 2 when I'm drunk. I don't own a vape but I have friends who do and again, when I'm drunk I enjoy it. I don't buy packs of cigarettes though funny enough and I've never felt "withdrawal" from not doing so. Probably because of how infrequently I'm smoking them.
To everybody saying "I don't understand why", its fine, you don't have to understand. nobody cares if you don't understand the appeal, sorry to say. People smoke because they want to smoke. You do have the right to be annoyed if smoke is getting blown in your face in public but to me getting that angry about it is just setting yourself up to be miserable. You can't expect to go out in public and never encounter somebody smoking. You can't be that entitled. We share this world with people who do inconsiderate things on a daily basis. With smoking being banned inside buildings and in many areas outside as well, it's rare you're going to have to suffer second hand smoke for very long so again in my eyes it isn't something you should overly concern yourself with.
As for vaping, I really couldn't care less what happens with it. For the people not using it as an alternative to quit smoking, it's probably just like any other fad that will lessen over time. But if it has been beneficial for you to quit the habit of smoking then good for you. At least there is something positive coming from it and that shouldn't be something that others should quickly dismiss.
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