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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Nov 26, 2022 19:43:47 GMT -5
Definitely biased here but holy wowzers is it fun to see Joe Milton throw the football
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 26, 2022 22:18:41 GMT -5
So if we're being fair...OSU (slaughtered at home), LSU (lost by 40 to UT), Clemson (worse losses), Oregon (3 losses) all took Ls today. UT beat Bama already...so in the next ratings its only fair for UT to jump them all and be #5
The Playoff rankings tuesday should reflect..
1)Georgia
2)Michigan
3)TCU
4)USC
5)Tennessee
6)Alabama
7)Ohio State
8)Clemson
9)Penn State
10)Washington * (Game to be played at 10:30est)
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Post by LK3 on Nov 27, 2022 0:14:06 GMT -5
Not necessarily my opinions, just trying to predict what they will do.
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. TCU
4. USC
5. Ohio State
6. Alabama
7. Tennessee
8. Penn State
9. LSU
10. Clemson
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Post by Artie Kendall on Nov 27, 2022 9:16:06 GMT -5
I think at this point Georgia, Michigan, and TCU are a lock to get into the playoffs no matter what happens in title games. If USC wins, they are in. The interesting debate I've been seeing around is if Alabama should be ranked at #5 instead of Ohio State after this weekend with USC at #4. I don't buy into conspiracy theories but if they move Alabama to 5...come on now.
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Post by LK3 on Nov 27, 2022 12:48:55 GMT -5
I think TCU *should* remain in if they lose.. whether the committee would agree, depending how other games play out too, is another story. My guess would be that if the committee has had Ohio State ahead of TCU this whole time, and their only loss being Michigan, that they would go back ahead of TCU with equal losses.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Nov 27, 2022 17:41:44 GMT -5
I think TCU should get in with a loss because the argument could be made that they split the series with K-State. Not a very good one, and Auburn saw two teams they beat in Alabama and Georgia get in the playoff despite them beating both and losing the SEC title a few years ago. But I think TCU should be in.
Wetzel has an interesting take that Georgia, Michigan, TCU, and USC should be in no matter what and that if you take any of those teams out, at this point, you are rewarding a team that didn't play for a conference championship. I think it's a good argument but the problem is USC. I could see a lot of people getting mad over a 2 loss USC getting in over a 1 loss Ohio State.
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Post by LK3 on Nov 27, 2022 23:55:00 GMT -5
I would not take a 2-loss USC. I get the argument, but at the same time I don't like the idea of basically disregarding what happens in what is supposed to be the most meaningful games being played to this point in the season. And with big time teams like USC/OSU/Bama/etc, and as much as I don't want to see Ohio State sneak back into this, I don't like the idea of taking a 2-loss team over a 1-loss team.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Nov 29, 2022 15:15:24 GMT -5
I never understood why Auburn was so in love with Kiffin when he hasn't done much in the SEC as it is. But I also think if you are going to hire someone with baggage, you might as well go all out for Urban Meyer. He will at least win you a title. Unless the rumors of him going to Cincinnati are true and Auburn settled for Freeze. I'm kind of surprised they didn't go for Deion Sanders after all the public support he has gotten around the town/state. I guess those two victories over Saban was enough to put Freeze over the top.
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Post by LK3 on Nov 29, 2022 18:18:45 GMT -5
You would think any big time school would check in on Deon. Colorado of all places gave him an offer. Is Fickel to Wisconsin something that looks likely to happen?
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Post by Artie Kendall on Nov 29, 2022 20:20:09 GMT -5
Yeah, Fickell is at Wisconsin now. I would think that with Cincinnati joining the Big 12, they would have done everything that could to keep him. Maybe Wisconsin had an offer Cincinnati couldn't match, or maybe they really do have Urban Meyer waiting in the wings.
Some people are speculating that Kiffin is waiting for Saban to retire to get the Alabama job, which is why he didn't go to Auburn. I think that has more potential to come back to bite Kiffin. Too many times we've seen coaches "waiting" on jobs thinking they will get it but some new hot prospect comes up and the value of the coach waiting goes down.
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Post by LK3 on Nov 30, 2022 2:08:12 GMT -5
Is Saban even going to retire any time soon? Not that it really means anything in that regard, but it seems like he gets a new extension for more money every year or every other year.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Nov 30, 2022 13:59:48 GMT -5
I know SC thrashed TN but it still feels wrong to have Bama ranked ahead of TN.
Vols beat Bama and kicked LSU’s teeth in, who also beat Bama.
And to all the folks across the internet who said TN’s ranked wins didn’t matter because the teams weren’t ranked later in the year or whatever.. South Carolina is now 19. So you’d think their argument goes both ways but it does not.
I’ll still take 10-2, possibly 11-2. Best year for the Vols in 20 years and hopefully they’re here to stay.
Anywho.. as long as Bama doesn’t sneak in the CFP, I want anyone to win but Georgia. Their fanbase acts like they’ve won the last 50 Natty’s and it’s super annoying.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Nov 30, 2022 17:54:03 GMT -5
I don't think Saban is going to retire any time soon. I always thought with new wrinkles added to college football he might get fed up, examples being transfer portal and NIL. But he finds ways to adapt yet bitch about it at the same time.
Tennessee is ranked where they are because they don't have Hooker. If Tennessee and Alabama played today, would Tennessee really be the favorite without their Heisman caliber Quarterback? That is just the way they look at it. Some times it's not about what happened on the field a month ago, it's more about the teams at the present moment.
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Post by LK3 on Nov 30, 2022 17:57:08 GMT -5
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Nov 30, 2022 19:01:11 GMT -5
I don't think Saban is going to retire any time soon. I always thought with new wrinkles added to college football he might get fed up, examples being transfer portal and NIL. But he finds ways to adapt yet bitch about it at the same time. Tennessee is ranked where they are because they don't have Hooker. If Tennessee and Alabama played today, would Tennessee really be the favorite without their Heisman caliber Quarterback? That is just the way they look at it. Some times it's not about what happened on the field a month ago, it's more about the teams at the present moment. They posted their criteria for ranking and Tennessee has the better criteria. The injury excuse is just that. An excuse. |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Nov 30, 2022 20:32:30 GMT -5
I don't think Saban is going to retire any time soon. I always thought with new wrinkles added to college football he might get fed up, examples being transfer portal and NIL. But he finds ways to adapt yet bitch about it at the same time. Tennessee is ranked where they are because they don't have Hooker. If Tennessee and Alabama played today, would Tennessee really be the favorite without their Heisman caliber Quarterback? That is just the way they look at it. Some times it's not about what happened on the field a month ago, it's more about the teams at the present moment. They posted their criteria for ranking and Tennessee has the better criteria. The injury excuse is just that. An excuse. Are they using the old criteria or was it updated recently? Yes it would be an excuse for Tennessee if Alabama and Tennessee played today and Bama trashed them because they would say "Well we wouldn't have been blown out if we had Hooker." |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Nov 30, 2022 21:55:58 GMT -5
They posted their criteria for ranking and Tennessee has the better criteria. The injury excuse is just that. An excuse. Are they using the old criteria or was it updated recently? Yes it would be an excuse for Tennessee if Alabama and Tennessee played today and Bama trashed them because they would say "Well we wouldn't have been blown out if we had Hooker." I’ll see if I can find the article I read earlier but I remember it listing strength of schedule, top 25 wins, head to head among others. Injuries weren’t mentioned as a factor Tennessee trumped Bama in each category. Assuming what I read is the real deal |
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Post by LK3 on Dec 1, 2022 3:28:43 GMT -5
I'm sure they can use the QB not being healthy as a way to say "hey, we simply don't think they're as good as they were before because of this." Personally, I don't agree with ranking them below Alabama. For multiple reasons, but mainly for me because they beat them. And unfortunately for Tennessee they didn't have a real opportunity to prove anything without Hooker.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Dec 1, 2022 15:58:03 GMT -5
From the call notes it's clear by what Boo said the committee see's the Vols loss to South Carolina and the point margin a lot more negatively than Alabama losing on a last second field goal and a two point conversion in overtime and that seems to outweigh the head to head. He kept saying "body of work" so that seems to be the go to as to why criteria isn't really kept. I get it, fair? Maybe not. It's kind of moot at the end of the day cause neither will get in the playoffs. It seems it's down to USC and Ohio State.
Speculation is pointing to Deion Sanders taking the Cincinnati job. Should get interesting over the next few days.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 1, 2022 20:31:42 GMT -5
So hypothetically Hooker being out keeps Tenn from being a potential playoff team because "they're not the same team they were all season"....With Michigan Blake Corum now out for the season, If Michigan were to lose to Iowa in the Big10 game...Michigan wouldnt deserve to be in as well using their theory.
I dont know who all is on the playoff committee but since its inception its been horribly executed. I really dont see it being any better then what the BCS was, they just added a couple more games to it (for money grab)
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