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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 1:13:58 GMT -5
Scalper prices, aka the market value Ha! Market value? You mean the price set by people who think they have gold in eBay? Oh yup that's what you meant. I'm shocked that no one has freaked out and said "now my investment is gone" maybe they did and I missed it. If you buy a figure with the intention of selling it for more than retail then you are a scalper to me. Don't like it? Don't care! Sellers do not set the value, buyers do
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 1:23:25 GMT -5
Ha! Market value? You mean the price set by people who think they have gold in eBay? Oh yup that's what you meant. I'm shocked that no one has freaked out and said "now my investment is gone" maybe they did and I missed it. If you buy a figure with the intention of selling it for more than retail then you are a scalper to me. Don't like it? Don't care! Further more the most I have paid above retail is $10 bucks. All these greedy people hang on to the product so long that they drop their prices huge. Ever wonder why the sports memorabilia market is so up and down? Because creeps like you fling out the term "market value" like its a car and you just quoted the blue book and the educated consumer waits it out. You're welcome You can't honestly be telling me that you think those figures listed for a high price on eBay are owned by people with a crystal ball who looked into said ball and saw how in demand they become? Or perhaps they were visited in their sleep by tinkerbell and whispered softly, "order an extra Ringside Punk, for one day buyers will pay large sums for it" or "while in Smyths, grab an extra Bossman Elite, he'll be worth a few quid" The prices are set by buyers, mainly in auctions, if I listed a figure at a stupid price nobody will buy it, if I lost a figure at the price they sell for on a regular basis someone will buy it. These in demand figures are, in the main, being sold from people's personal collections
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 1:29:46 GMT -5
@heroesandmartyrs my reason for hating rereleases is simple. As you know, I collect Warrior figs, the Legends 6 Warrior cost me around treble retail price, as I was collecting when it was released. Not a big deal, I love the figure. I'm not even bothered too much that it's rereleased as such, my problem is, with Warrior and it does apply to many others too, is that he had so many cool attires, so many different looks that to bring out the same version is, to me a waste, there are so many Warriors to make this one has taken a chance of me getting one of those other attires, so I have to wait longer, selfish? Yes but hey it's my collection and I want to see as many different Warriors in it as possible. And I'm sure that goes for others too, like Bossman, most wanted a corporate Bossman, they'll have to wait, Jericho, most wanted a different version, Shawn Michaels the same. So there's my reasoning, and a little ocd too, maybe lol
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 5, 2016 1:34:58 GMT -5
If it wasn't for a re-release then I wouldn't have ever gotten a Big Boss Man figure, or the Undertaker in purple that just came out again, so I am okay with the re-release.
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Post by PJ on Sept 5, 2016 5:04:07 GMT -5
@heroesandmartyrs my reason for hating rereleases is simple. As you know, I collect Warrior figs, the Legends 6 Warrior cost me around treble retail price, as I was collecting when it was released. Not a big deal, I love the figure. I'm not even bothered too much that it's rereleased as such, my problem is, with Warrior and it does apply to many others too, is that he had so many cool attires, so many different looks that to bring out the same version is, to me a waste, there are so many Warriors to make this one has taken a chance of me getting one of those other attires, so I have to wait longer, selfish? Yes but hey it's my collection and I want to see as many different Warriors in it as possible. And I'm sure that goes for others too, like Bossman, most wanted a corporate Bossman, they'll have to wait, Jericho, most wanted a different version, Shawn Michaels the same. So there's my reasoning, and a little ocd too, maybe lol Well, this Warrior is different than the L6 so it is another new Warrior for your collection. His wrist bands are painted in the reverse sequence than his L6 figure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 6:05:38 GMT -5
Further more the most I have paid above retail is $10 bucks. All these greedy people hang on to the product so long that they drop their prices huge. Ever wonder why the sports memorabilia market is so up and down? Because creeps like you fling out the term "market value" like its a car and you just quoted the blue book and the educated consumer waits it out. You're welcome You can't honestly be telling me that you think those figures listed for a high price on eBay are owned by people with a crystal ball who looked into said ball and saw how in demand they become? Or perhaps they were visited in their sleep by tinkerbell and whispered softly, "order an extra Ringside Punk, for one day buyers will pay large sums for it" or "while in Smyths, grab an extra Bossman Elite, he'll be worth a few quid" The prices are set by buyers, mainly in auctions, if I listed a figure at a stupid price nobody will buy it, if I lost a figure at the price they sell for on a regular basis someone will buy it. These in demand figures are, in the main, being sold from people's personal collections Yea you're right all the sellers out there just sell them at reasonable prices and don't set high reserves...are you even for real? Also I don't recall Mattel saying the only release a certain number of figures per year....so other attires and wrestlers can still come out and do. You honestly can't be this naive can you?
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Post by Jimmy Toucan (+ The Flipout) on Sept 5, 2016 6:34:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't say afraid is the word I'd use. I just steer clear.
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Post by Heatwave on Sept 5, 2016 6:36:31 GMT -5
For those of you that are against re-releases, I need you to please fully explain why. I've listed a few reasons why I could think, but I do need a proper understanding. A) You're a re-seller and it hurts your business? B) You have OCD and to know that there are two different MOC versions out there bothers you? C) You feel cheated and bamboozled because you spent $60 on a figure in the past only to see he's available for $20 now? D) You feel that they were able to fit a re-release in there, and instead it should have been an all new figure? E) You feel it devalues your collection, that as a collector you like knowing you have a figure worth 3x or 5x its retail value even though you don't plan on selling it. F) You feel repaints are OK, but not re-releases. I can't think of a reason outside of those four that wouldn't be so petty. So if its one of those six, I have some responses. A Response) Screw you. B Response) So? You have the original, be happy, or if its so extreme then see a therapist. C Response) If you would have bought L6 Warrior five years ago and then over the next few years said 'Oh, it will be re-released' it would have seemed so unlikely that it would be like you were trolling us and lying. No one outside of a select few at Mattel know what they are planning on doing. It was so random that these appeared and who they chose? Unreleased Legends 7 Magnum TA, slightly different E19 Shawn Michaels, Legends 2 Kamala, E23 Undertaker, slightly different E14 Big Boss Man, etc. Its so random that if they really wanted to they could have done E16 Nash & Diesel or Mail-Away Vince McMahon. D Response) From a business standpoint it its economical for Mattel because they're mostly relegated to just a new package design as the parts are already made or tooled, where as a new figure would incur all sorts of new expensive tooling costs. Its not a total trade off. E Response) This is the one that I feel hits close to home the most. If you're not a re-seller, then what do you care? Who is going to come into your house and be like "Woah, is that an original E16 MOC Kevin Nash?!" Its probably the same guy that's going to come into your house and say the same thing if it was worth half as much. These aren't IPO value stocks of Google or Microsoft that you can turn into millions. These are wrestling figures by Mattel. F Response) If you would have told me MattyCollector Tully would have been re-released as a shelf clogging repaint, I would have given you a high-five and not have chased him down on the secondary market. I feel like this needed a DX chop at the end
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Post by Duck Holliday on Sept 5, 2016 7:07:54 GMT -5
I'm not big on re-releases, but slight tweaks; no problem there. Gives people who were late to the game a reasonable shot at great figures, without paying stupid prices on secondary, but keeps the original releases special and different.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 7:43:12 GMT -5
You can't honestly be telling me that you think those figures listed for a high price on eBay are owned by people with a crystal ball who looked into said ball and saw how in demand they become? Or perhaps they were visited in their sleep by tinkerbell and whispered softly, "order an extra Ringside Punk, for one day buyers will pay large sums for it" or "while in Smyths, grab an extra Bossman Elite, he'll be worth a few quid" The prices are set by buyers, mainly in auctions, if I listed a figure at a stupid price nobody will buy it, if I lost a figure at the price they sell for on a regular basis someone will buy it. These in demand figures are, in the main, being sold from people's personal collections Yea you're right all the sellers out there just sell them at reasonable prices and don't set high reserves...are you even for real? Also I don't recall Mattel saying the only release a certain number of figures per year....so other attires and wrestlers can still come out and do. You honestly can't be this naive can you? Oh right I see, so you want people who own sought after figures to sell them below market value. Great one. Never start a business will you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 7:44:29 GMT -5
@heroesandmartyrs my reason for hating rereleases is simple. As you know, I collect Warrior figs, the Legends 6 Warrior cost me around treble retail price, as I was collecting when it was released. Not a big deal, I love the figure. I'm not even bothered too much that it's rereleased as such, my problem is, with Warrior and it does apply to many others too, is that he had so many cool attires, so many different looks that to bring out the same version is, to me a waste, there are so many Warriors to make this one has taken a chance of me getting one of those other attires, so I have to wait longer, selfish? Yes but hey it's my collection and I want to see as many different Warriors in it as possible. And I'm sure that goes for others too, like Bossman, most wanted a corporate Bossman, they'll have to wait, Jericho, most wanted a different version, Shawn Michaels the same. So there's my reasoning, and a little ocd too, maybe lol Well, this Warrior is different than the L6 so it is another new Warrior for your collection. His wrist bands are painted in the reverse sequence than his L6 figure. Haha yeah a little different, the chest logo is a different size too. Same attire in essence though. Many more should have been done before this ever came out again though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 8:54:18 GMT -5
I hate this thread already.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 8:58:12 GMT -5
I feel like this needed a DX chop at the end I was serious. As a Pro-rereleaser I'm having trouble finding the big deal. Especially too when these threads don't tell me why, usually its just crying that re-releases are bad and I barely see an answer beyond "because." I was trying to get to the root of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 9:07:15 GMT -5
@heroesandmartyrs my reason for hating rereleases is simple. As you know, I collect Warrior figs, the Legends 6 Warrior cost me around treble retail price, as I was collecting when it was released. Not a big deal, I love the figure. I'm not even bothered too much that it's rereleased as such, my problem is, with Warrior and it does apply to many others too, is that he had so many cool attires, so many different looks that to bring out the same version is, to me a waste, there are so many Warriors to make this one has taken a chance of me getting one of those other attires, so I have to wait longer, selfish? Yes but hey it's my collection and I want to see as many different Warriors in it as possible. And I'm sure that goes for others too, like Bossman, most wanted a corporate Bossman, they'll have to wait, Jericho, most wanted a different version, Shawn Michaels the same. So there's my reasoning, and a little ocd too, maybe lol I gotcha, especially since your guy is just a repaint away from an entirely new figure. I can sympathize with that.
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Post by FFK on Sept 5, 2016 9:20:33 GMT -5
There's no reason that HBK or Warrior couldn't of had different attires. There's no tooling needed especially for HBK use same exact design just change the colors.
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Post by Heatwave on Sept 5, 2016 12:43:18 GMT -5
I feel like this needed a DX chop at the end I was serious. As a Pro-rereleaser I'm having trouble finding the big deal. Especially too when these threads don't tell me why, usually its just crying that re-releases are bad and I barely see an answer beyond "because." I was trying to get to the root of the problem. Its just a selfish thought process. I agree with everything you stated. The DX chop would have been the ! And caused for the board to be locked LoL
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Sept 5, 2016 14:37:51 GMT -5
I feel like this needed a DX chop at the end I was serious. As a Pro-rereleaser I'm having trouble finding the big deal. Especially too when these threads don't tell me why, usually its just crying that re-releases are bad and I barely see an answer beyond "because." I was trying to get to the root of the problem. I feel most of the problem is that the original figures will lose some value on the secondary market. It goes against everything a collector should be. I've said it before if someone collects only to make a profit they are no collector.
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Post by TheLastDude on Sept 5, 2016 15:12:45 GMT -5
I feel like this needed a DX chop at the end I was serious. As a Pro-rereleaser I'm having trouble finding the big deal. Especially too when these threads don't tell me why, usually its just crying that re-releases are bad and I barely see an answer beyond "because." I was trying to get to the root of the problem. What I've gleaned from threads like these are that there are two major issues that anti-rereleasers have. 1) The older figures won't be worth as much as they once were.--My response to that is, don't collect for profit and there is no problem. There is virtually nothing that has value where that value will not fluctuate anyway, so...kick yourself for not selling your SDCC Taker when he was going for over 100 bucks. Also, if you're pissed that you overpaid for a figure and then they rereleased it...well, what would you have done if they hadn't rereleased it? You got the figure you wanted right? Them's the breaks. It happens to everyone who collects for any length of time. You overpay for something on eBay and then Walmart unloads a case full of them...on clearance...you shake your head and grit your teeth and wait until you get back to your car to cut loose with the F-bombs! 2) There is a fear that a rerelease will take a "spot" away from a new figure. --My response to that is...what if the "spot" was a figure you weren't going to buy anyway? You're still at square one, Chuck.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Sept 5, 2016 22:18:28 GMT -5
No reason to be afraid (turns night light on) If anything maybe we can get a rerelease/redesign kind of thing.
I'm looking at you Entrance Greats Shawn Micheals! I want you in Elite form, ELITE VERSION!!!
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 5, 2016 23:08:03 GMT -5
There's no reason that HBK or Warrior couldn't of had different attires. There's no tooling needed especially for HBK use same exact design just change the colors. They could have just even added painted kneepads to the HBK figure, and I think most would have bought it just for that!
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