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Post by tg11 on Sept 11, 2016 14:21:17 GMT -5
If anything how would you book the Invasion angle back in 2001 in WWE? Well how I would book it:
I wouldn't involve ECW in any way shape or form...it would be WWE taking on WCW
The Invasion would last from the night after WrestleMania 17 all the way up until WrestleMania X-8
Austin wouldn't be heel during this Invasion
Ex WCW guys like Guerrero, Benoit, Jericho, Saturn, etc would also be involved and you would think that their loyalty would be to the WCW but it won't be...it'll be to the WWE
ECW guys the only one I would bring in would be Rob Van Damme
However the WCW guys I would bring in to make it more important are Goldberg, nWo (Hogan, Hall, Nash), Flair, DDP, Booker T, etc. to follow
But I would bring in Bischoff and have WCW win control at Survivor Series but WWE would win back control at WrestleMania X8 but doing it in War Games
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Sept 11, 2016 15:23:57 GMT -5
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 11, 2016 16:43:50 GMT -5
WWE & ECW Vs WCW & nWo.
Two allies Vs two enemies who had joined forces to destroy the WWE.
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Post by tg11 on Sept 11, 2016 17:04:33 GMT -5
Plus with the Invasion in how I would book it the Survivor Series Winner Take All 5 on 5 Elimination Tag Team Match for Team WWF it would be:
Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Angle and Jericho taking on the team of Hogan, Goldberg, DDP, Steiner and Booker T
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Post by tg11 on Sept 11, 2016 17:30:47 GMT -5
But also think about all the dream matches that could have happened if this Invasion angle were done right such as:
Sting vs Undertaker Hulk Hogan vs Stone Cold Steve Austin Kurt Angle vs Mr Perfect Goldberg vs Stone Cold Steve Austin Ric Flair vs Kurt Angle The Rock vs DDP Triple H if he were healthy vs Kevin Nash
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Post by ricflair4ever on Sept 12, 2016 8:37:22 GMT -5
It has to go down in history as the easiest angle or storyline to book, with more potential than anything before it..........all to get flushed away and best forgotten. In all honesty ,i probably just would have saved the concept until they knew they woud be able to get the bigger stars into the fold. Just use the guys they got in the sale as then-new WWF Superstars. Then a year later, after most of the big names were free to make the jump, those new talents defect and restart the war. But since they already had Shane "buying" WCW on the last Nitro, the best use of that would have been to just have WCW seperate from the get go and not mingle with WWF stars until the new WCWs identity and feel was established.
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 12, 2016 11:23:06 GMT -5
While it is so easy to look back and say WTF for many of the things that happened during this angle. I can honestly say that at the time I was freaking hooked and loved every minute of it.
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Post by dannybosa on Sept 12, 2016 14:19:53 GMT -5
Stephanie can make a few cameos during the storyline, just not as the owner of ECW
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 12, 2016 17:18:31 GMT -5
I think, as others have said, I'd have moved WCW into the rotation of weekly programming on a temporary basis with their own PPVs, house shows and storylines for one year.
For the first six months have them as totally separate with Shane "owning" WCW.
After a while, Bischoff makes a re-appearance with all the talent that never made into the InVasion - essentially the new and final version of the nWo.
He begins to run roughshod over the WCW roster and de-rails the weekly programme, professing that WCW was dead as long as a McMahon was in charge.
He begins to recruit more and more WCW stars to destroy their own company in protest of Shane's ownership with the exception of the top faces - Sting, Goldberg, Flair, Booker T and DDP.
Bischoff says to really destroy Shane and take back WCW, they need to destroy his trust fund and his family allowance by finally, once and for all, destroying WWF. This time, he says, it's not a ratings war, it's a gang war.
Monday Night Raw. During the main event of the night, a four way between The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Big Show and a healthy Triple H, Bischoff jumps the barricade with Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash while the entire nWo locker-room (or WCW Bishoffites) pour into the arena too, blocking access to the ring for anyone other than Hogan, Hall and Nash. Security with Vince McMahon behind them come rushing in but can't get past the WCW stars. Nash, Hall and Hogan enter the ring and begin to brawl with the WWF guys, through WCW guys on the outside grabbing legs and causing distractions they manage to take out HHH and The Rock, it's three on two when Big Show shocks the WWF by chokeslamming Austin who then takes Hogan's leg drop. The WWF locker-room is pouring out while WCW, now with new recruit Big Show, jump back over the barricade and exit the building with Bischoff shouting "It's done, leave it".
Nitro. Big Show - Now back to being referred to as The Giant - is with Bischoff and his followers in the ring. They're gloating about the black eye they just gave WWF the night before on Raw when out comes Sting. He talks about how he loves WCW and would do anything to protect it, and berates Bischoff and his gang for bringing trouble to its door by pissing off wrestlers from the rival organisation. He says that if Bischoff won't stop, he (Sting) will stop him. Bischoff says if he wants a fight, he's got it, and that he needs to find three guys who share his opinion to back him up in an eight man tag team match against Hogan, Nash, Hall and The Giant. Sting finds Goldberg, DDP and Booker T with Ric Flair agreeing to watch from ringside to make sure Bischoff doesn't try any funny business. Instead, during the match, WWF stars Austin, Rock, Triple H, Kurt Angle, The Dudley Boyz and The Hardy Boyz all jump the barricade like the WCW guys had done the night before. They enter the ring and begin to destroy the nWo while Sting pleads with the faces to stay out of it and tries to reason with the WWF guys. Austin hits Sting with a stunner and the faces jump in to defend him.
We go back and forth, some weeks they invade each other's shows, other weeks it's a war of words. To a WCW crowd, the WWF guys would be heels, to a WWF crowd, the WCW guys would be heels, just like Bret and Shawn in Canada/America during the mid 90s.
Eventually, we get to WrestleMania X8, by this point Bischoff has run Shane out of his own company who is seeking the help of Vince and the WWF to get his company back under control. If Shane wins with the WWF, he shuts WCW down like he should have done to begin with, if Bischoff wins he gets to be the legitimate owner of WCW and the McMahon family has to surrender all its shares in the WWF and WCW to him so that they can know the humiliation he experienced when he learned of Shane's ownership of WCW.
The only involvement of Paul Heyman and ECW is in brief cameos where Vince is seeking advice from the Bischoff-hating genius of Heyman and extreme soldiers for his army who are willing to go through hellfire to destroy their mutual enemy.
WrestleMania X8 sees the ultimate dream fixtures become a reality:
Rock vs Hogan - To crown the first Undisputed Champion Austin vs Goldberg Undertaker & Kane vs The Outsiders etc.
WWF wins, The Rock is the first ever Undisputed Champion after defeating Hogan in the main event. Eric Bischoff is brought out to the ring by Austin like he was at One Night Stand in 2005 where he takes a stunner and a rock bottom to the delight of the McMahon family who watch on from the stage.
The next night on Raw, Vince and Shane come out and say it's time to shake things up with all the world class talent on display at last night's WrestleMania, and that even though WCW was now no more, its talent and their contracts now belonged to WWF. He announces that Raw and SmackDown will be getting their own rosters and General Managers. Shane asks which show he'll get to run to which Vince replies "You had your chance to run a company and it cause a war the likes of which we had never seen and you lost the respect and admiration of your men. But, you know who won the admiration and respect of your men? Eric Bischoff!" the crowd is amazed. Vince then announces that as a thank you for his consultation during the war, Paul Heyman will be the first SmackDown GM and the ferocious rivalry between the two will be good for the WWF. The draft occurs the following week and so begins the Ruthless Aggression era.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 13, 2016 12:52:25 GMT -5
Hmmm. I have commented on thread similar to this many times......but I'm gonna chew it over and get back to ya.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 13, 2016 13:04:52 GMT -5
Bottom line, they should just waited. They pulled the trigger too soon and did not have any of the actual WCW main stars. This was a mistake. A year later you had Hogan, Hall, and Nash. You eventually got Steiner and Goldberg. Had it been done and presented this way, they probably could have gotten Sting because WCW would have been made to be taken seriously.
Instead, they did it with a bunch of WCW mid-carders, and Booker T. DDP was brought in with the whole stalker, so they even botched that.
The ECW part of it was actually decent, because you actually had the main ECW stars....but the WCW part was bad.
Like I said, I would have waited. I would have waited until I had enough of the actual WCW stars signed on, and then I would have done it. Didn't work with mid-carders. No disrespect to Booker T, but he was not the face of WCW.
They also should have had Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Saturn, and Dean Malenko turn on the WWE, just like Taz, Rhyno, The Dudley Boyz, Raven, and Justin Credible did.
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, Saturn, DDP, Booker T, Jericho........that would have been a good enough base, even if you couldn't have gotten Goldberg or Sting at that time. If they started with that team, Sting would have seen it was being taken serious and he would have signed. Instead it was a joke from the get go and Booker T got his ass beat in a supermarket. lol
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Post by tg11 on Sept 13, 2016 13:09:54 GMT -5
Plus the WCW guys I would have treated them as a much bigger deal especially DDP rather than having him be a mid carder I would have treated him just like a main event level guy much like how Booker was in the actual Invasion
DDP vs The Rock People's Champion vs People's Champion or even a DDP/Austin program or if Goldberg were a part of the Invasion he could have had programs with Austin, Taker, Angle, etc.
But with Hogan him crossing paths with Rock would have been inevitable but Hogan/Austin we were robbed of or even a nWo Hogan feuding with Triple H would have been perfect
Or Taker & Kane reuniting as The Brothers of Destruction to take on The Outsiders that being Hall and Nash but Taker dropping the ABA gimmick and going back to his Dead Man gimmick would have made much more sense
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Post by ricflair4ever on Sept 13, 2016 16:13:10 GMT -5
I think, as others have said, I'd have moved WCW into the rotation of weekly programming on a temporary basis with their own PPVs, house shows and storylines for one year. For the first six months have them as totally separate with Shane "owning" WCW. After a while, Bischoff makes a re-appearance with all the talent that never made into the InVasion - essentially the new and final version of the nWo. He begins to run roughshod over the WCW roster and de-rails the weekly programme, professing that WCW was dead as long as a McMahon was in charge. He begins to recruit more and more WCW stars to destroy their own company in protest of Shane's ownership with the exception of the top faces - Sting, Goldberg, Flair, Booker T and DDP. Bischoff says to really destroy Shane and take back WCW, they need to destroy his trust fund and his family allowance by finally, once and for all, destroying WWF. This time, he says, it's not a ratings war, it's a gang war. Monday Night Raw. During the main event of the night, a four way between The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Big Show and a healthy Triple H, Bischoff jumps the barricade with Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash while the entire nWo locker-room (or WCW Bishoffites) pour into the arena too, blocking access to the ring for anyone other than Hogan, Hall and Nash. Security with Vince McMahon behind them come rushing in but can't get past the WCW stars. Nash, Hall and Hogan enter the ring and begin to brawl with the WWF guys, through WCW guys on the outside grabbing legs and causing distractions they manage to take out HHH and The Rock, it's three on two when Big Show shocks the WWF by chokeslamming Austin who then takes Hogan's leg drop. The WWF locker-room is pouring out while WCW, now with new recruit Big Show, jump back over the barricade and exit the building with Bischoff shouting "It's done, leave it". Nitro. Big Show - Now back to being referred to as The Giant - is with Bischoff and his followers in the ring. They're gloating about the black eye they just gave WWF the night before on Raw when out comes Sting. He talks about how he loves WCW and would do anything to protect it, and berates Bischoff and his gang for bringing trouble to its door by pissing off wrestlers from the rival organisation. He says that if Bischoff won't stop, he (Sting) will stop him. Bischoff says if he wants a fight, he's got it, and that he needs to find three guys who share his opinion to back him up in an eight man tag team match against Hogan, Nash, Hall and The Giant. Sting finds Goldberg, DDP and Booker T with Ric Flair agreeing to watch from ringside to make sure Bischoff doesn't try any funny business. Instead, during the match, WWF stars Austin, Rock, Triple H, Kurt Angle, The Dudley Boyz and The Hardy Boyz all jump the barricade like the WCW guys had done the night before. They enter the ring and begin to destroy the nWo while Sting pleads with the faces to stay out of it and tries to reason with the WWF guys. Austin hits Sting with a stunner and the faces jump in to defend him. We go back and forth, some weeks they invade each other's shows, other weeks it's a war of words. To a WCW crowd, the WWF guys would be heels, to a WWF crowd, the WCW guys would be heels, just like Bret and Shawn in Canada/America during the mid 90s. Eventually, we get to WrestleMania X8, by this point Bischoff has run Shane out of his own company who is seeking the help of Vince and the WWF to get his company back under control. If Shane wins with the WWF, he shuts WCW down like he should have done to begin with, if Bischoff wins he gets to be the legitimate owner of WCW and the McMahon family has to surrender all its shares in the WWF and WCW to him so that they can know the humiliation he experienced when he learned of Shane's ownership of WCW. The only involvement of Paul Heyman and ECW is in brief cameos where Vince is seeking advice from the Bischoff-hating genius of Heyman and extreme soldiers for his army who are willing to go through hellfire to destroy their mutual enemy. WrestleMania X8 sees the ultimate dream fixtures become a reality: Rock vs Hogan - To crown the first Undisputed Champion Austin vs Goldberg Undertaker & Kane vs The Outsiders etc. WWF wins, The Rock is the first ever Undisputed Champion after defeating Hogan in the main event. Eric Bischoff is brought out to the ring by Austin like he was at One Night Stand in 2005 where he takes a stunner and a rock bottom to the delight of the McMahon family who watch on from the stage. The next night on Raw, Vince and Shane come out and say it's time to shake things up with all the world class talent on display at last night's WrestleMania, and that even though WCW was now no more, its talent and their contracts now belonged to WWF. He announces that Raw and SmackDown will be getting their own rosters and General Managers. Shane asks which show he'll get to run to which Vince replies "You had your chance to run a company and it cause a war the likes of which we had never seen and you lost the respect and admiration of your men. But, you know who won the admiration and respect of your men? Eric Bischoff!" the crowd is amazed. Vince then announces that as a thank you for his consultation during the war, Paul Heyman will be the first SmackDown GM and the ferocious rivalry between the two will be good for the WWF. The draft occurs the following week and so begins the Ruthless Aggression era. Gotta say ,this is one of the more fleshed out, yet tidy ways to pull it off and tie up loose ends to get us to the brand split and RA era. Very good ideas there sir.
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Sept 14, 2016 9:08:46 GMT -5
I must have rebooked the “WWF / The Federation vs. The Alliance / WCW – ECW Invasion” angle 11 different times, with 11 different versions, since July 2001. Here goes my 12th attempt. This time, instead of an angle, I’m going to change the format and basically remove the “angle”.
First, since Vince McMahon was already heavily committed with the ECW acquisition, and the purchase of WCW, I would have gone all in and bought out every contract. If you’re going to do something, don’t do it half @$$ed. I would have even tried to sign those not under contract at the time.
Second, I would have kept WCW and ECW as separate brands and separate shows. Each show is 2 hours. I would have started this schedule the day after WrestleMania X7. The shows and Championship Titles would be as follows.
Monday – Raw General Manager – Shane McMahon WWF World Champion WWF Women’s Champion WWF World Tag Team Champions
Tuesday – Nitro General Manager – Eric Bischoff WCW World Champion WCW Women’s Champion (reinstated to counter the WWF Women’s Championship Title) WCW World Tag Team Champions
Wednesday – ECW General Manager – Paul Heyman ECW World Champion Hardcore Champion (Unification match between WWF Hardcore Champion, Kane vs. WCW Hardcore Champion, Haku / Meng, and then designated to ECW, because it just fits best on this brand / show) ECW World Tag Team Champions
Thursday – Smackdown General Manager – Stephanie McMahon Intercontinental Champion European Champion Light Heavyweight Champion
Friday – Thunder General Manager – Vince Russo United States Champion Television Champion (Unification match between WCW Television Champion, Hacksaw Jim Duggan and ECW Television Champion, Rhyno. Hacksaw wins and the Television Championship is then designated to WCW) Cruiserweight Champion
Saturday – Saturday Night’s Clash of the Main Event Champions on TNN Saturday will only feature the best of the best, in inter-brand non-Title Champion vs. Champion matches.
Sunday – Pay Per Views are on the first Sunday of every month, only featuring Championship Title matches. This would make every PPV a “Night Of Champions”. Now I realize I have 15 active Championship Title Belts, so I’d have it so that each show has only 2 Championship Titles on the line at every PPV.
During the week after WrestleMania X8, starting on the following Monday, I would initiate the inaugural Draft. Each show gets 2 picks from each of the other shows, 8 picks each total. That might have sounded a little confusing, so here’s a better layout, using 2002 as an example.
Round 1, 4 picks each March 18, 2002 – Raw picks 1 from Nitro, 1 from ECW, 1 from Smackdown and 1 from Thunder March 19, 2002 – Nitro picks 1 from Raw, 1 from ECW, 1 from Smackdown and 1 from Thunder March 20, 2002 – ECW picks 1 from Raw, 1 from Nitro, 1 from Smackdown and 1 from Thunder March 21, 2002 – Smackdown picks 1 from Raw, 1 from Nitro, 1 from ECW and 1 from Thunder March 22, 2002 – Thunder picks 1 from Raw, 1 from Nitro, 1 from ECW and 1 from Smackdown
Round 2, 4 picks each March 25, 2002 – Raw picks 1 from Nitro, 1 from ECW, 1 from Smackdown and 1 from Thunder March 26, 2002 – Nitro picks 1 from Raw, 1 from ECW, 1 from Smackdown and 1 from Thunder March 27, 2002 – ECW picks 1 from Raw, 1 from Nitro, 1 from Smackdown and 1 from Thunder March 28, 2002 – Smackdown picks 1 from Raw, 1 from Nitro, 1 from ECW and 1 from Thunder March 29, 2002 – Thunder picks 1 from Raw, 1 from Nitro, 1 from ECW and 1 from Smackdown
Champions are not eligible for the Draft. Once a SuperStar is picked, they are then not eligible to be redrafted, like Cena was in 2011. Trades throughout the year are acceptable, but they have to be “approved” by the 3 other GMs that are not involved in the trade, as a checks and balances sort of thing.
I think doing things this way gives it more of a “sports” feel to it. It also might have lasted longer, and could still be running today. I know 6 days a week of Professional Sports Wrestling Entertainment is a lot, but there’s no such thing as too much of a good thing, in my opinion. I’ll add more to this later, if something pops in my head.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Sept 14, 2016 17:36:27 GMT -5
Being semi realistic with what they had to work with in 2001 you have to keep in mind that Flair,Hogan,Goldberg,Nash,Hall,Bischoff,Mysterio,Steiner...ect where all sitting out and collecting checks and also that Guerrero was gone from the company and Triple H and Benoit where hurt.I get jump right away to and invasion type storyline with how badly the fans wanted it but with the little amount of true big time stars they had to work with in terms of WCW they should have just holded off on it until they could get more of the true talent.
With that said if they still wanted to go with it anyways they should have made Booker T and DDP look like legit main eventers that could hang with the WWF guys and also instead of it turning basically into WWF Vs. WWF with Austin,Angle,Christian,Test...ect all turning it should have been true WCW guys like Chris Jericho,Big Show,William Regal..ect who turned and rejoined WCW.
Bottom line could have and should have went with a three way feud with WWF Vs. WCW Vs. ECW and the main draws and stars for WCW would have been Chris Jericho,Booker T,DDP,Big Show and Lance Storm.
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