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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 26, 2023 14:09:04 GMT -5
As a fan of a team that hasn’t had a QB that can win you games in close to 20 years… Dak ain’t the guy to take Dallas where they wanna get to We have seen Blake Bortles and Ryan Tannehill have double digit leads in the second half of conference championship games. Both teams lost but were in a position to win. Dak can’t even get there with a stacked D and playmakers on both sides of the ball. I'm not trying to be a smart @$$ or anything but who would you say is that much of a upgrade over Dak besides the guys mentioned earlier (Pat,Burrow,Allen,Herbert)? Like I said earlier I don't see those teams letting them go anytime soon,so its kinda down to sticking with Dak or going in the draft where it doesn't look like any locks coming up. If you wanna try to go in the direction of a veteran,maybe Brady for a year and maybe couple good years from ARod that you'll have to pay a ransom for. Fields looks like a star in the making but I don't see him or TLaw getting moved since those franchises hasn't had the best of luck on finding QBs. I wouldn't personally consider Stafford better then Dak and he was able to get it done with a great D. Hey who knows Purdy might be the next Montana by the end of his career but the last pick in the draft is taking his team to the NFC championship this year,I say its more qbs out there that can win the big one besides just those handful(which only holds one ring between them). If I'm looking at Dallas and picking the first thing I would chose to change,Dak definitely not on the top of the list. If I was ranking starting QB’s in the league with Super Bowl winning potential right now today, he is probably in the low teens, early 20’s. I feel like we have seen enough of Dak to know what he is, so I would take a Trey Lance,Hurtz, Purdy, Fields, etc over him right now, cause you don’t know what you with those guys yet. I’d probably take Jimmy G over Dak at this point. Stafford is 100% better than Dak, guy was an insanely talented QB stuck in Detroit with a completely mismanaged organization and still was in the top 5 in yards almost every year.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 26, 2023 14:28:32 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be a smart @$$ or anything but who would you say is that much of a upgrade over Dak besides the guys mentioned earlier (Pat,Burrow,Allen,Herbert)? Like I said earlier I don't see those teams letting them go anytime soon,so its kinda down to sticking with Dak or going in the draft where it doesn't look like any locks coming up. If you wanna try to go in the direction of a veteran,maybe Brady for a year and maybe couple good years from ARod that you'll have to pay a ransom for. Fields looks like a star in the making but I don't see him or TLaw getting moved since those franchises hasn't had the best of luck on finding QBs. I wouldn't personally consider Stafford better then Dak and he was able to get it done with a great D. Hey who knows Purdy might be the next Montana by the end of his career but the last pick in the draft is taking his team to the NFC championship this year,I say its more qbs out there that can win the big one besides just those handful(which only holds one ring between them). If I'm looking at Dallas and picking the first thing I would chose to change,Dak definitely not on the top of the list. If I was ranking starting QB’s in the league with Super Bowl winning potential right now today, he is probably in the low teens, early 20’s. I feel like we have seen enough of Dak to know what he is, so I would take a Trey Lance,Hurtz, Purdy, Fields, etc over him right now, cause you don’t know what you with those guys yet. I’d probably take Jimmy G over Dak at this point. Stafford is 100% better than Dak, guy was an insanely talented QB stuck in Detroit with a completely mismanaged organization and still was in the top 5 in yards almost every year. Im not even that big of a Dak guy but ill definitely take him over almost everybody you mentioned besides Fields(maybe Purdy). I need to see more then one year from Hurtz to say he's up there,we've seen Weintz have a MVP year in Philly and all the sudden he was a top 3 qb and here we are now where he can't even get a starting job. I would agree about Stafford in Detroit,the guy was one of the best in the league but Detroit took a lot of years off his career. Jimmy G is nowhere close to Daks level personally. Its maybe 10 guys I would take over him and tbh I would have to think about that,its no way I could pick 20 over him. A QB not many talks about that I'm a big fan of is Taylor Heinicke,I would love to see him on a team like the 9ers this year and see how good he can be. Still think Carr can win playoff games too with the right situation.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jan 26, 2023 14:34:16 GMT -5
As a fan of a team that hasn’t had a QB that can win you games in close to 20 years… Dak ain’t the guy to take Dallas where they wanna get to We have seen Blake Bortles and Ryan Tannehill have double digit leads in the second half of conference championship games. Both teams lost but were in a position to win. Dak can’t even get there with a stacked D and playmakers on both sides of the ball. I'm not trying to be a smart @$$ or anything but who would you say is that much of a upgrade over Dak besides the guys mentioned earlier (Pat,Burrow,Allen,Herbert)? Like I said earlier I don't see those teams letting them go anytime soon,so its kinda down to sticking with Dak or going in the draft where it doesn't look like any locks coming up. If you wanna try to go in the direction of a veteran,maybe Brady for a year and maybe couple good years from ARod that you'll have to pay a ransom for. Fields looks like a star in the making but I don't see him or TLaw getting moved since those franchises hasn't had the best of luck on finding QBs. I wouldn't personally consider Stafford better then Dak and he was able to get it done with a great D. Hey who knows Purdy might be the next Montana by the end of his career but the last pick in the draft is taking his team to the NFC championship this year,I say its more qbs out there that can win the big one besides just those handful(which only holds one ring between them). If I'm looking at Dallas and picking the first thing I would chose to change,Dak definitely not on the top of the list. I’m not saying that Dak needs to go immediately or that he isn’t a good QB. I just don’t think he’s the guy that will lead Dallas to the promise land. I think he’s capable enough to make it to the NFC title game and maybe even a SB, but I wouldn’t put my money on him when a big time game is on the line You’re 100% correct as there’s not that many SB caliber QBs. I just don’t think Dak is at that level. I’m a Titans fan and I’ve sat back and watched our SB window slip away because while Tannehill has been overall solid, he ain’t the man when it counts.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 26, 2023 14:43:36 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be a smart @$$ or anything but who would you say is that much of a upgrade over Dak besides the guys mentioned earlier (Pat,Burrow,Allen,Herbert)? Like I said earlier I don't see those teams letting them go anytime soon,so its kinda down to sticking with Dak or going in the draft where it doesn't look like any locks coming up. If you wanna try to go in the direction of a veteran,maybe Brady for a year and maybe couple good years from ARod that you'll have to pay a ransom for. Fields looks like a star in the making but I don't see him or TLaw getting moved since those franchises hasn't had the best of luck on finding QBs. I wouldn't personally consider Stafford better then Dak and he was able to get it done with a great D. Hey who knows Purdy might be the next Montana by the end of his career but the last pick in the draft is taking his team to the NFC championship this year,I say its more qbs out there that can win the big one besides just those handful(which only holds one ring between them). If I'm looking at Dallas and picking the first thing I would chose to change,Dak definitely not on the top of the list. I’m not saying that Dak needs to go immediately or that he isn’t a good QB. I just don’t think he’s the guy that will lead Dallas to the promise land. I think he’s capable enough to make it to the NFC title game and maybe even a SB, but I wouldn’t put my money on him when a big time game is on the line You’re 100% correct as there’s not that many SB caliber QBs. I just don’t think Dak is at that level. I’m a Titans fan and I’ve sat back and watched our SB window slip away because while Tannehill has been overall solid, he ain’t the man when it counts. That's fair. The AFC is loaded with top notch qbs rn,loaded enough guys like Josh Allen can't even make it out. The NFC is not on that level,nowhere close tbh. Take out ARod and Brady,its not a whole lot left that has anything in their careers to brag about. F*cking Geno Smith made the Pro Bowl in the NFC for gods sake,these ain't the years of Montana,Farve,Young,Aikman,Randall etc.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jan 26, 2023 15:17:42 GMT -5
I’m not saying that Dak needs to go immediately or that he isn’t a good QB. I just don’t think he’s the guy that will lead Dallas to the promise land. I think he’s capable enough to make it to the NFC title game and maybe even a SB, but I wouldn’t put my money on him when a big time game is on the line You’re 100% correct as there’s not that many SB caliber QBs. I just don’t think Dak is at that level. I’m a Titans fan and I’ve sat back and watched our SB window slip away because while Tannehill has been overall solid, he ain’t the man when it counts. That's fair. The AFC is loaded with top notch qbs rn,loaded enough guys like Josh Allen can't even make it out. The NFC is not on that level,nowhere close tbh. Take out ARod and Brady,its not a whole lot left that has anything in their careers to brag about. F*cking Geno Smith made the Pro Bowl in the NFC for gods sake,these ain't the years of Montana,Farve,Young,Aikman,Randall etc. The NFC has been ripe for the taking for years but it seems no one wants to take ahold of it. Dallas should be a perennial contender but they continually shoot themselves in the foot
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Post by sonstuds on Jan 26, 2023 15:19:27 GMT -5
I get that Prescott just had a rough game, but putting Jimmy Garoppolo over him is just picking on the man lol
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 26, 2023 15:35:51 GMT -5
That's fair. The AFC is loaded with top notch qbs rn,loaded enough guys like Josh Allen can't even make it out. The NFC is not on that level,nowhere close tbh. Take out ARod and Brady,its not a whole lot left that has anything in their careers to brag about. F*cking Geno Smith made the Pro Bowl in the NFC for gods sake,these ain't the years of Montana,Farve,Young,Aikman,Randall etc. The NFC has been ripe for the taking for years but it seems no one wants to take ahold of it. Dallas should be a perennial contender but they continually shoot themselves in the foot Coaching has been a huge issue in Dallas since Jimmy Johnson and not looking like things are gonna change anytime soon. If Quinn leaves,I can see this D taking a huge step back. Him leading all of that young talent on the D,they could have a potential championship team for years but if he goes and they go back to the low 20's defense. Its not gonna matter if they got Dak,Burrow or a third stringer on the Texans bench.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jan 26, 2023 15:40:51 GMT -5
The NFC has been ripe for the taking for years but it seems no one wants to take ahold of it. Dallas should be a perennial contender but they continually shoot themselves in the foot Coaching has been a huge issue in Dallas since Jimmy Johnson and not looking like things are gonna change anytime soon. If Quinn leaves,I can see this D taking a huge step back. Him leading all of that young talent on the D,they could have a potential championship team for years but if he goes and they go back to the low 20's defense. Its not gonna matter if they got Dak,Burrow or a third stringer on the Texans bench. Yeah if Quinn leaves that’ll be a huge blow. McCarthy is absolutely horrible at clock management and that never helps the cause
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 26, 2023 17:55:48 GMT -5
I get that Prescott just had a rough game, but putting Jimmy Garoppolo over him is just picking on the man lol I think Jimmy G is still good and unfairly kinda got this rep for not being good. I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes to Seattle or Miami and they win the division.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 26, 2023 20:06:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't consider Jimmy G bad by any means,I think the 9ers would be exactly where they're at now with him and ill probably give them a even better chance at winning the whole thing(they're my number one pick now). That said if I had my choice at qbs going into next season,he's not gonna be in my top 20. I don't see Seattle or Miami improving on what they did this year with him either.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 26, 2023 20:45:37 GMT -5
I get that Prescott just had a rough game, but putting Jimmy Garoppolo over him is just picking on the man lol I think Jimmy G is still good and unfairly kinda got this rep for not being good. I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes to Seattle or Miami and they win the division. Jimmy's biggest detractors was his own fan base which I didnt understand. We had a QB 10yrs ago that took us back to the Super Bowl, overthrew his WR and lost the game. Nobody ever said a bad thing about him. 7 years later Jimmy over threw Sanders & everyone says he cost them the SB and without that the Niners would have won...Never mind they the defense blew a 10 point lead and they ended up getting beat by 11. Without Jimmy we'd still be shuffling through CJ Bethards & Nick Mullens of the world.
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Post by sonstuds on Jan 26, 2023 20:58:30 GMT -5
I just don't see how you can knock Dak Prescott for his inability to rise in the playoffs, but then freely take Jimmy G over him (who hasn't exactly lit it up in his performances).
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Post by LK3 on Jan 26, 2023 23:42:10 GMT -5
I just don't see how you can knock Dak Prescott for his inability to rise in the playoffs, but then freely take Jimmy G over him (who hasn't exactly lit it up in his performances). I will echo the sentiments that by no means is G bad. And I do like him. But he needs the right situation to succeed. He has had that in San Francisco. With the defense, and the offensive weapons and scheme they have. I don’t really think he could take Dallas as far as Dak has. He’s another name that people like to mention for the Raiders. With our defense!? Not sure we would be any better off with him than Carr.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 27, 2023 0:36:47 GMT -5
I take Carr over Jimmy G personally. I know everybody doesn't think the same but it still surprises me where some people got certain players. Without thinking hard about it,I think my top qbs ATM is
Pat Burrow Allen Herbert Then it gets really close with everybody for me A-Rod Watson(if he gets back to what he was or even close) Dak TLaw Lamar Hurts Stafford Fields(a lot potential) Murray Tua Cousins Carr Brady Jimmy G Goff Heinicke Tannehill M.Jones D.Jones Wilson
I didn't mention Lance,Picket or Purdy,dont really have a idea where to put them rn.
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Post by LK3 on Jan 27, 2023 0:58:36 GMT -5
I hesitate saying Herbert is top 5, but when you really look at it there’s just so many guys you could rank in a wide range of spots IMO.
Top tier I’ve got Mahomes and Burrow. I think after this season they’re the clear cut two best in the league.
Next tier is some mash up of Hurts, Allen, Herbert, Rodgers, Brady, Lamar. Rodgers and Brady may border this tier.
Next tier Lawrence, Dak, Cousins, Stafford, Watson, Carr, Tua, Murray, Goff, Jimmy G, Fields?, Purdy?, Daniel Jones?…
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 27, 2023 1:20:24 GMT -5
I got Allen closer to the top 2 myself,then Herbert and probably ARod,then everybody from 6-12 or 15 can be changed any given week. I just need to see more then one good year from Hurts before i can put him any higher and imo Brady looks nothing like he did when he first got to Tampa,I actually thought I might've had him and Rodgers to high up. What's everybody's feeling on Pat and Burrow? Going in this year I thought Pat was way ahead,now not so much.
I watch a lot of Chicago(my best friend and nephew is huge Bears fans)and Fields can shoot up my list real soon if Chicago put some more weapons around him. Guy is full of potential.
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Post by LK3 on Jan 27, 2023 1:44:06 GMT -5
I would like to say Allen is 3rd, certainly ahead of most of who I mentioned in the 2nd tier (those names weren’t necessarily in order either). I just think that after what Cincinnati did to Buffalo last week it established Burrow as the clear-cut guy after Mahomes. For Hurts we’ll certainly need to see more than one season like this for him being a locked in top 5 guy, but with what transpired this season he was top 3 so I’ve gotta have him on that 2nd tier right now.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jan 27, 2023 6:59:32 GMT -5
finnbalor1 I just read that Quinn isn’t taking interviews and is staying is Dallas
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 27, 2023 7:38:54 GMT -5
finnbalor1 I just read that Quinn isn’t taking interviews and is staying is Dallas That sounds great! Thought for sure him and Kellen would've left by now but seems like Kellen is gonna be McCarthy's scapegoat anyways.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 28, 2023 14:59:14 GMT -5
Bengals 38,Chiefs 27 49ers 24,Eagles 18
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