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Post by BØRNS on Oct 5, 2016 3:14:10 GMT -5
Is it just me or is Foley embarrassingly AWFUL in his GM role? 99% of what comes out of his mouth is unintelligible to me (which is ironic considering he's an author). He seems unprepared, not in the zone, and just not cohesive with everything today on the show. And not to mention his appearance... All together, he takes so much away from the show for me, even in a distracting way, too. Is it just me or am I crazy?
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Post by IRS on Oct 5, 2016 3:22:41 GMT -5
He has been rather unenjoyable. I think it's only further driven home by how much unnecessary screen time he's gotten compared to Shane/Bryan on SD.
I know he probably wouldn't have been interested in the role, but I wish they could've gotten Edge. He would've fit in so much better with the current product than Foley, imo.
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Post by Flair Forever on Oct 5, 2016 6:14:22 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I think that one of the issues with Foley at this point is that he's been doing NON-wrestling roles for longer than his ring-career even lasted..... and it can get stale.
While he used to be revered as the "Hardcore Legend", most of the younger audience wasn't around for any of that, and these days he just comes off as a walking billboard for Comedy Events, Reality Shows, WWE Merchandise, Books, DVDs, The WWE Network, Action Figures, and whatever other products he's being paid to promote.....
Not that I'm clamoring for a Mick Foley return to action or anything (although, if he could still go, I would welcome it)..... but, compared to other stars who rode off into mainly quiet retirement (HBK, Stone Cold Steve Austin)..... Foley may be overshadowing his past greatness with his modern-day mediocrity?
I think a Legend like Foley would be better served by being involved as a mouthpiece for the occasional program, his promos back in the day were tremendous..... something WWE sorely needs today.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Oct 5, 2016 7:15:54 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I think that one of the issues with Foley at this point is that he's been doing NON-wrestling roles for longer than his ring-career even lasted..... and it can get stale. While he used to be revered as the "Hardcore Legend", most of the younger audience wasn't around for any of that, and these days he just comes off as a walking billboard for Comedy Events, Reality Shows, WWE Merchandise, Books, DVDs, The WWE Network, Action Figures, and whatever other products he's being paid to promote..... Not that I'm clamoring for a Mick Foley return to action or anything (although, if he could still go, I would welcome it)..... but, compared to other stars who rode off into mainly quiet retirement (HBK, Stone Cold Steve Austin)..... Foley may be overshadowing his past greatness with his modern-day mediocrity? I think a Legend like Foley would be better served by being involved as a mouthpiece for the occasional program, his promos back in the day were tremendous..... something WWE sorely needs today. You have the right idea and viewpoints about Mick Foley. Everybody has to remember, in his era, guys weren't given scripted promos to memorize. He got used to having bullet points in his promos. Foley is one guy who isn't designed to give a scripted promo to. Foley's true calling isn't being a mouthpiece for a talent. Foley's true calling is teaching guys in the Performance Center on how to cut a promo. The PC needs somebody to fill that void Dusty Rhodes left when he passed away. What is going to hurt the WWE in the future is they are going to have guys who are just terrible promos. Having a guy like a Mick Foley or even a Scott Hall would help save the WWE in terms of allowing these men and women to find their voice. One of many positives on SmackDown is you see Shane McMahon and Daniel Bryan less than Mick Foley and Stephanie McMahon on RAW. Foley should tap into what made his 2000 Commissioner role work while adding a serious spin to it. Foley as GM would not only work but would further enhance RAW to a degree.
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Post by Flair Forever on Oct 5, 2016 7:53:29 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I think that one of the issues with Foley at this point is that he's been doing NON-wrestling roles for longer than his ring-career even lasted..... and it can get stale. While he used to be revered as the "Hardcore Legend", most of the younger audience wasn't around for any of that, and these days he just comes off as a walking billboard for Comedy Events, Reality Shows, WWE Merchandise, Books, DVDs, The WWE Network, Action Figures, and whatever other products he's being paid to promote..... Not that I'm clamoring for a Mick Foley return to action or anything (although, if he could still go, I would welcome it)..... but, compared to other stars who rode off into mainly quiet retirement (HBK, Stone Cold Steve Austin)..... Foley may be overshadowing his past greatness with his modern-day mediocrity? I think a Legend like Foley would be better served by being involved as a mouthpiece for the occasional program, his promos back in the day were tremendous..... something WWE sorely needs today. You have the right idea and viewpoints about Mick Foley. Everybody has to remember, in his era, guys weren't given scripted promos to memorize. He got used to having bullet points in his promos. Foley is one guy who isn't designed to give a scripted promo to. Foley's true calling isn't being a mouthpiece for a talent. Foley's true calling is teaching guys in the Performance Center on how to cut a promo. The PC needs somebody to fill that void Dusty Rhodes left when he passed away. What is going to hurt the WWE in the future is they are going to have guys who are just terrible promos. Having a guy like a Mick Foley or even a Scott Hall would help save the WWE in terms of allowing these men and women to find their voice. One of many positives on SmackDown is you see Shane McMahon and Daniel Bryan less than Mick Foley and Stephanie McMahon on RAW. Foley should tap into what made his 2000 Commissioner role work while adding a serious spin to it. Foley as GM would not only work but would further enhance RAW to a degree. Agreed that he should be training on promos at the Performance Center, possibly with Jake "The Snake" Roberts. I think they want him in an on-screen role right now to provide material & promotion for "Holy Foley".....
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Post by alexgg on Oct 5, 2016 8:52:41 GMT -5
I think Foley is doing good in what he's being told to do, though some of his promos are prime for Botchamania. (That crusierweight division introduction, good lord.)
I think the main issue is there is just too much emphasis on him and Stephanie, they're trying to force a story-line that won't go anywhere and only hurts them and those around them. Stephanie is unnecessarily verbally squashing people every week for absolutely no reason, shes a great heel but that needs to be toned down. Plus it just gets boring seeing the same variations of long-ass promos from the GM's.
SmackDown are doing it right, we only see Shane and Bryan when they are using their power to set up matches or correct decisions. They're not too heavily involved on screen and don't get in the way of superstars and storylines. Talking Smack adds to a great use of them in their roles too.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Oct 5, 2016 9:15:50 GMT -5
I feel like this wasn't meant to be a long time gig and he's prob going to get fired and replaced.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Oct 5, 2016 9:17:20 GMT -5
Foley blows. He needs to get his head checked. I'm sure all those chair shots and garbage "wrestling" he did is finally catching up to him. I don't like him at all, but I wouldn't want him brain damaged or anything.
The audience they have now and are getting have no idea what Foley ever really did back in the day. I agree with them getting Edge to do it.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Oct 5, 2016 9:45:53 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I think that one of the issues with Foley at this point is that he's been doing NON-wrestling roles for longer than his ring-career even lasted..... and it can get stale. While he used to be revered as the "Hardcore Legend", most of the younger audience wasn't around for any of that, and these days he just comes off as a walking billboard for Comedy Events, Reality Shows, WWE Merchandise, Books, DVDs, The WWE Network, Action Figures, and whatever other products he's being paid to promote..... Not that I'm clamoring for a Mick Foley return to action or anything (although, if he could still go, I would welcome it)..... but, compared to other stars who rode off into mainly quiet retirement (HBK, Stone Cold Steve Austin)..... Foley may be overshadowing his past greatness with his modern-day mediocrity? I think a Legend like Foley would be better served by being involved as a mouthpiece for the occasional program, his promos back in the day were tremendous..... something WWE sorely needs today. Well written. I'd like to see him help younger talent work on their promos, along with Raven, Kevin Sullivan & Jake Roberts.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Oct 5, 2016 9:46:41 GMT -5
The only reason Mick Foley and Daniel Bryan were chosen to be GM's was to coincide with Holy Foley and Total Bellas.
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Post by The Yes Man on Oct 5, 2016 10:29:52 GMT -5
I don't know.. like, a lot?
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Post by J12 on Oct 5, 2016 10:35:06 GMT -5
I don't think he's been that terrible. He's not great, but he's not actively detracting from an already bad show. Raw is a dumpster fire, though, so, it's not hard to appear half decent.
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Post by hCo.Bro™ [brandon_lee] on Oct 5, 2016 10:36:30 GMT -5
I love Mick in General but in this role, he is just there. Stephanie is front and center in the major angles. His role is kind of pointless. Smackdown shows a better balance of the commissioner and gm roles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 10:38:05 GMT -5
Just get the Cactus Jack figure out, and a Dude Love figure out IMMEDIATELY and then kick his ass to the curb.
Let me stress...IMMEDIATELY.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Oct 5, 2016 10:53:30 GMT -5
I have not been enjoying Foley as GM like i thought i would. Smackdown definitely uses the GM and comisssioner roles great. I barely see Shane, which i thought the comisssioners would do. Daniel, i do see him at least once a show, but when he shows up, there's a reason for it where it doesn't feel like hes there to fill time. First off, theres no reason we should see Stephanie all the time and theres no reason Foley should be in 5 segments on a show. The GMs should be the ones on TV in one, maybe two segments if theres a reason, and the comisssioners should be there every once and a while, mainly when there a need for them as in its a problem that the GMs can't fix easily
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 5, 2016 11:40:47 GMT -5
I haven't enjoyed Mick Foley since 1999.
I knew they brought him back so he could hype Holy Foley - which makes Total Divas looks like gold in comparison.
Just a matter of time before Foley is gone and Triple H is back on TV with Stephanie. Because in their eyes, 2013 never looked so good! Oh wait, its not 2013, just Triple H and Stephanie have been doing the same crap on Raw since 2013. I got it.
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Post by punksnotdead on Oct 5, 2016 12:29:10 GMT -5
I honestly thought he was going to be a good pick as GM to play off of heel Stephanie but they've never clicked. I'm largely ok with how Foley acts. He's a little bit lucid and odd, but he's always been that way and I think it makes sense he'd be a little whacky as he's aged. That being said, he's had some bad segments, and we're creeping closer to that Seth Rollins and Triple H showdown.
I think we either need Stephanie off TV so Mick can stick to his character alone, or we need to just let them do Stephanie and Triple H, again, which I don't want to see at this point either. So it's a rock and a hard place as far as I'm concerned. The current dynamic is a happy medium, of sorts. So I'll take that over the situation being worse off.
The reason Edge won't do it is because he can't get physical. Which is a huge issue with Foley's character who constantly acts like a tough guy backstage but can't clear medical either. I don't know, Bryan is all set on Smackdown but I think Raw needs something different that we're not used to seeing. Maybe go back to something like when AJ was in charge. Somebody like Enzo could pull that off. I don't have the answers but I don't think what they're doing now is very good.
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Post by The Brain on Oct 5, 2016 12:30:07 GMT -5
I didn't mind Foley's run as commissioner in WWF circa 2000 but yeah his run today is terrible. I'd be surprised if he makes to WM in his current role.
My favorite Foley run as far as his WWF/E career is concerned is the years 96-98.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 13:16:11 GMT -5
I fully expect him to go away once Holy Foley isn't on anymore
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Post by marino13 on Oct 5, 2016 14:58:17 GMT -5
I'm sure it's hard to remember your lines when all he thinks about is Christmas. If he's still around by Christmas, I bet he nails his lines like he's Cactus Jack in ECW again. Inner peace sorta thing.
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