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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Oct 24, 2016 10:09:04 GMT -5
That seems a bit unfair, doesn't it? We collect. Our areas are skipping waves altogether. You're saying buying off Amazon or RSC makes us impatient when we're worried we may not see the figures at retail at all? People are being impatient by expectig new sets in retail so quick. Rsc and amazon have spoiled everyone with how quick they get the new sets. Isnt it unfair to blame mattel? If things are not selling, stores wont reorder First, that's a blanket statement. Not everyone is impatient. Probably not even most. Not everyone has that much disposable income. Second, very few are blaming Mattel. Though recent QC concerns are a factor, I'm sure. Third, if a retailer orders too much of one thing, supply outlasts demand. There is a process to ordering. There are other toy lines. I know for a fact they, too are having issues. There's no single reason this is happening. It's several issues that need to be addressed. I'm all for accepting personal responsibilities. I don't think this is a case of entitlement.
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Post by dynamitekido on Oct 24, 2016 10:12:08 GMT -5
People seem to want a simple and easy answer or someone to blame but it's not that easy.
First, RSC is straight up for the hardcores. That's where guys who don't wait for anything get their figs. Period. They don't care about higher prices or anything, they just want their figs and get them there. These are also guys that I'm thinking go to retail for exclusives and sales. So there's that.
Then there are the Amazon people, which would be a group I'm starting to fall into. Admittedly this isn't good for retail, but it's the only way to pay retail price and actually get the figs you want. I would be fine with just waiting for retail, but too many figures have been missed and then my only option is getting them online from scalpers for insane money. No thanks there.
The stores are to blame too, but at the same time it's not like all of these stores have a WWE figures department headed by guys like us who obsess over this stuff. They care about as much for WWE figures as one of us would be about making sure they have all of the latest and greatest paper towels in stock. Maybe more of an issue at corporate for these places, but who can say unless one of us work at that level or not?
One thing where I would say Mattel is at fault is where they just release stupid things at a bad price point (Example: Ultimate Warrior (Ultimate Maniacs DM)which is going to sit. Somethings just are anomalies like all of the Sid elites sitting everywhere. Were that many made or is this just a figure that nobody bought?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 11:13:33 GMT -5
People seem to want a simple and easy answer or someone to blame but it's not that easy. First, RSC is straight up for the hardcores. That's where guys who don't wait for anything get their figs. Period. They don't care about higher prices or anything, they just want their figs and get them there. These are also guys that I'm thinking go to retail for exclusives and sales. So there's that. Then there are the Amazon people, which would be a group I'm starting to fall into. Admittedly this isn't good for retail, but it's the only way to pay retail price and actually get the figs you want. I would be fine with just waiting for retail, but too many figures have been missed and then my only option is getting them online from scalpers for insane money. No thanks there. The stores are to blame too, but at the same time it's not like all of these stores have a WWE figures department headed by guys like us who obsess over this stuff. They care about as much for WWE figures as one of us would be about making sure they have all of the latest and greatest paper towels in stock. Maybe more of an issue at corporate for these places, but who can say unless one of us work at that level or not? One thing where I would say Mattel is at fault is where they just release stupid things at a bad price point (Example: Ultimate Warrior (Ultimate Maniacs DM)which is going to sit. Somethings just are anomalies like all of the Sid elites sitting everywhere. Were that many made or is this just a figure that nobody bought? You brought up some good points. I'd too like to know the answer as to why there is so many sid elites.
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Post by dynamitekido on Oct 24, 2016 11:37:42 GMT -5
I'm curious about this because Mattel is a publicly traded company.
Do we get any public sales figures on any of their WWE stuff?
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Oct 24, 2016 11:57:31 GMT -5
It's the stores here in America. In the UK Youtube reviewer channels, places like Smyths are stocked to the brim with the newest waves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 15:17:09 GMT -5
People are being impatient by expectig new sets in retail so quick. Rsc and amazon have spoiled everyone with how quick they get the new sets. Isnt it unfair to blame mattel? If things are not selling, stores wont reorder First, that's a blanket statement. Not everyone is impatient. Probably not even most. Not everyone has that much disposable income. Second, very few are blaming Mattel. Though recent QC concerns are a factor, I'm sure. Third, if a retailer orders too much of one thing, supply outlasts demand. There is a process to ordering. There are other toy lines. I know for a fact they, too are having issues. There's no single reason this is happening. It's several issues that need to be addressed. I'm all for accepting personal responsibilities. I don't think this is a case of entitlement. Once again, if its on the shelf..a store wont reorder unless the feel its necessary. Some stores automatically reorder, once supply drops to a certain amount. Employees will scan racks and input quantity. Store system orders. All and all, its a month out from the holiday season.. And people are buying elsewhere
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Oct 24, 2016 17:30:06 GMT -5
For those of you who are Amazon everything. Just curious about other lines.
For instance I know they are on E45 now
How is normal retail vs Amazon on lines such as Marvel Legends, Multiverse, Star Wars Black, TMNT, Power Rangers?
If they are pretty much in line with regular retail on those and not WWE, that would indicate a big problem
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Post by thelostweekend on Oct 24, 2016 17:44:29 GMT -5
For those of you who are Amazon everything. Just curious about other lines. For instance I know they are on E45 now How is normal retail vs Amazon on lines such as Marvel Legends, Multiverse, Star Wars Black, TMNT, Power Rangers? If they are pretty much in line with regular retail on those and not WWE, that would indicate a big problem There doesn't seem to be the massive gap between Amazon and retail for those lines as there is with the WWE one. I don't follow those lines as closely, but Amazon isn't several waves ahead of retail on, say, Marvel Legends, the way it is for the WWE Elite line. But it seems like Amazon has still closed the gap between them and retail for those lines compared to a year or two ago. If you see it on the shelves, you can most likely already get it for retail with Prime shipping, outside of the more popular figures (i.e. Deadpool from the recent X-Men wave).
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Post by thelostweekend on Oct 24, 2016 17:54:39 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I think the retail landscape would be vastly different if the following figures had either not be made or distributed in much smaller quantities:
- Elite 32 Daniel Bryan - Elite 38 Bryan - Elite 39 Sid
Most of the places I go aren't strapped for Elites. They've got them. It's just that those three are taking up the majority of the real estate with maybe the occasional Wade Barrett or Cody Rhodes tossed in.
It's interesting, because aside from Elite 41 Dean Ambrose, it doesn't seem like there's been an Elite figure in 2016 that would cause the sort of logjam the three aforementioned figures have caused at most of the stores I frequent.
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Post by kennyw86 on Oct 24, 2016 21:44:57 GMT -5
Amazon all day for me. I use rsc for rare preorders i have to have. I already have my e46 balor. My area stores SUCK.
Amazon is amazing. I snagged 2 white ranger seths for 19.99, came out to 42 bucks with tax and free 2 day shipping. Rsc is selling seth for 30 bucks and he wont be in until the end of the month. Retail wont have him until christmas, if then. And im sure he'll be the hardest to find in stores of e43 to 45 combined.
Ive already snagged e43 kofi for 17.97, and e44 big e, sasha, sin cara and braun for 18.84, plus macho for 19.99. All retail or below. Amazon just wins.
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Post by kennyw86 on Oct 24, 2016 21:47:55 GMT -5
For those of you who are Amazon everything. Just curious about other lines. For instance I know they are on E45 now How is normal retail vs Amazon on lines such as Marvel Legends, Multiverse, Star Wars Black, TMNT, Power Rangers? If they are pretty much in line with regular retail on those and not WWE, that would indicate a big problem Amazon is closer to retail in other lines, but still ahead and WAY CHEAPER. I got the the entire baf abomination wave from them for under 90 bucks shipped next day. And i havent seen that wave in my area. I got the entire space venom wave for under retail, except 25 for silk, and have seen that wave once. Ive had it for a month and a half.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 6:48:53 GMT -5
Sounds like it's more of a you problem and less of a retail problem. There isn't one figure I haven't seen in person this year. Learn the rhythm of your stores, talk to clerks, be polite and you would be surprised how much you find. It's probably people like me who prevent people like from finding what you are looking for.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Oct 25, 2016 8:02:13 GMT -5
Sounds like it's more of a you problem and less of a retail problem. There isn't one figure I haven't seen in person this year. Learn the rhythm of your stores, talk to clerks, be polite and you would be surprised how much you find. It's probably people like me who prevent people like from finding what you are looking for. The rhythm of my store is Daniel Bryan, Sid Vicious, & Damien f'n Mizdow
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Post by powerfred3k on Oct 25, 2016 9:40:20 GMT -5
ToysRus is the one saving grace right now in retail.
Walmart- overstock from e39 and older. I have seen end cap displays full of elite 32/33 as well.
Target- similar to Walmart untill they clearenced out elites and basics. Who knows if or when they will restock.
K-Mart- Don't make me laugh.
Then it's just regional retailers, for me it's ahopko. They are worse than K-Mart. Then they will randomly get new stuff in. I wish we had a Meijers or someone else to complete.
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Post by dynamitekido on Oct 25, 2016 10:38:43 GMT -5
Sounds like it's more of a you problem and less of a retail problem. There isn't one figure I haven't seen in person this year. Learn the rhythm of your stores, talk to clerks, be polite and you would be surprised how much you find. It's probably people like me who prevent people like from finding what you are looking for. In theory that sounds great. Not completely realistic though. Here's why for my specific situation. I started collecting back in July, so I haven't been at it long, but I've found myself fairly obsessive over collecting. Anyways, when I first started, I could go to most places and get stuff I wanted. Then that all dried up because, well.....I had most of the stuff at that point. Then I started learning the patterns of how the stores I visited worked. Here's what I found from paying attention, talking to clerks, and things like that. I have one Walmart near me that not only sells through what they order, but are actually on top of what they are doing. They are the most up to date place in my area, where I found E43 in person. All of the other Walmarts don't get regular shipments, or simply don't stock shelves. Walmart was fine for the TNF series, but outside of that it's just Sid Elites, old Daniel Bryan's, JYD's, etc. Most of them don't even have basics and one of them has basics that are seriously in the 20s (Series wise). Targets here are all terrible. Every single one. None of them have basics, the only Elites they have had in the last 2 months have been Tito, Eddie HOF2, and Bray Wyatt. That's it. Now they have shelf warming Dusty Rings, and Horsemen sets. Which by the way I bought one for $15 at Target last week as a backup to the ones I have. Now thankfully I knew that because there wasn't any sticker, sign or anything showing they were on sale. So clearly they are serious about moving them. I've also spoken to as many clerks as I could possible speak with at this point. Some Walmart employees were really cool. One dude was a collector of toys and said stuff like "Let me know if you ever need stuff, I'm a collector too so I feel your pain." A really really nice dude. I even offered him some cash for his time and assistance and he turned it down. He also told me that for WWE figures that I'd be better off going to another WM because the way they order everything toy wise was terrible in that store. He mentioned about how the guy never listens to anyone, doesn't care, thus they have tons of bare shelves. So I even quit going to that location. Now that's cool if you can find good people that will help you out at retail. But I've also been warned about not even going to certain stores because it's known that wrestling fans or fig collectors work there and basically horde everything that comes in. Bottom line, it depends on where you live and how lucky you are. There is no doubt that after reading through this whole thread that there are some issues with the Mattel WWE line and retail. A little blame on the stores, a little on mattel, and even a little on collectors. It's a problem however that's most likely not going to be fixing itself anytime soon. So most of us will just resort to saving out gas money and just ordering online.
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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on Oct 25, 2016 16:13:35 GMT -5
It's the stores here in America. In the UK Youtube reviewer channels, places like Smyths are stocked to the brim with the newest waves. Man that just reminded me how much I ing miss Glenn Webb.
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Post by Browser Brody on Oct 25, 2016 16:50:34 GMT -5
Retail has stunk for the most part this year. I can't remember a single figure I purchased at full retail this year. I bought several figures at retail, but most if not all were on sale or discounted....And most of those were figures I wasn't really planning on buying but I am a sucker for a good deal.
Amazon and other online stores are the way of the future and I think we will continue to see this. When I can have a figure delivered to my front door step for less than what I would find it for at retail, it's extremely difficult for retail stores to compete with. Especially when online stores are getting the newest sets in 2 months before retail stores.
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Oct 31, 2016 10:50:31 GMT -5
Here is a reason Target is staying in WWE retail hell
I decided yesterday I was going to grab 2 sets of Horsemen four packs. At $15 each I was just going to try and swap around some parts, whatever. They are cheap enough to try and use the pieces to customize, etc
Get up to the register and they are $45 again!! The woman said well they're on sale! (Usually $50)
So they keep bouncing between $12.50, $15, $25, $45 and full price. Ridiculous
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Post by powerfred3k on Oct 31, 2016 11:09:26 GMT -5
You want to talk ridiculous, try being stuck at the Walmart self checkout for 10+ min because of a coin jam. Then the lady manning the registers has no idea how to fix it because she's trying to unlock one of those protective plastic cases for a video game some idiot did not get taken care of in electronics. This happened to me on Saturday, and it just made me think. Amazon prime is really going to take over the world. I don't have to deal with any of this crap when I order from there. Also I just bought an elite 45 Seth on Sunday for $20 shipped, should be in hand Wednesday. Ringside you guys are in trouble...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 11:24:08 GMT -5
It's the stores here in America. In the UK Youtube reviewer channels, places like Smyths are stocked to the brim with the newest waves. Man that just reminded me how much I ing miss Glenn Webb. Wrestling Daze is like Glenn Webb, he films in UK stores
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