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Post by hammer on Oct 23, 2016 22:42:25 GMT -5
What I mean, obviously, is when you use a match or moment, to turn both a heel, face... and a face, heel. I'm watching the 98 Survivor Series right now, and obviously that was very effective for The Rock and Mankind. The other obvious choice is Austin/Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 13. Any others off the top of your heads?
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Post by The Brain on Oct 24, 2016 0:47:20 GMT -5
Demoliton/Powers of Pain from Survivor Series 88. Even though the crowd was confused as hell in the end.
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Oct 24, 2016 8:24:01 GMT -5
My favorite double turn took place at Survivor Series 2001. It was actually sort of a quadruple turn.
Team WWF (The Federation) Captain and WCW Champion, The Rock was a Face and stayed a Face.
Team WWF (The Federation) member, Chris Jericho was a Face and turned Heel, almost costing the WWE the Winner Take All Match.
The Alliance (Team WCW / ECW) member, Kurt Angle was a Heel and turned Face, saving the WWE, but his arrogance and Mr. McMahon turned him back to a Heel the next night, so that counts as 2 turns in a 24 hour period.
The Alliance (Team WCW / ECW) Captain and WWF Champion, Stone Cold Steve Austin was a Heel and turned Face the next night.
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Post by Terry "Hulk" Hogan on Oct 24, 2016 10:22:56 GMT -5
Demoliton/Powers of Pain from Survivor Series 88. Even though the crowd was confused as hell in the end. Definitely confusing, but it was pretty smart how they used the Conquistadors in that match, a team that the fans didn't feel strongly about one way or the other. Having another heel team lose to the Powers of Pain at the end would have been much more confusing. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 24, 2016 10:36:10 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler and Alberto Del Rio at Payback 2013.
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Post by The Brain on Oct 24, 2016 12:00:35 GMT -5
Another one that comes to mind is Flair/Hogan from Uncensored 99.
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Post by HHH316 on Oct 24, 2016 20:56:50 GMT -5
I can't ever see Bret/Austin getting topped. It was perfection.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 27, 2016 16:44:25 GMT -5
ECW Barley Legal 97
Sabu becomes a heel and Taz becomes a face in their match. RVD heels that night, and says he is leaving ECW to go to the WWE and Sabu is with him.
ECW Hostile City Showdown 98
Taz & Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Shane Douglas, Chris Candido and Lance Storm. Bigelow turns on Taz, and rejoins the Triple Threat. Candido turns on Storm, thus making Storm a face again and kicks him out of the Triple Threat.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 27, 2016 17:02:15 GMT -5
Demoliton/Powers of Pain from Survivor Series 88. Even though the crowd was confused as hell in the end. The ironic thing about this one is, from what I gathered, that the intent wasn't to make Demolition face or the POP heel, but to make Mr. Fuji face and manage the POP. I am not sure what the WWE was thinking at that one?? |
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Post by The Brain on Oct 27, 2016 17:29:49 GMT -5
Demoliton/Powers of Pain from Survivor Series 88. Even though the crowd was confused as hell in the end. The ironic thing about this one is, from what I gathered, that the intent wasn't to make Demolition face or the POP heel, but to make Mr. Fuji face and manage the POP. I am not sure what the WWE was thinking at that one?? Fuji as a babyface? Thank God that plan failed. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 27, 2016 21:05:54 GMT -5
The ironic thing about this one is, from what I gathered, that the intent wasn't to make Demolition face or the POP heel, but to make Mr. Fuji face and manage the POP. I am not sure what the WWE was thinking at that one?? Fuji as a babyface? Thank God that plan failed. It worked in 1996 when Yoko and Fuji left Camp Cornette though. But there was something unsettling about seeing Mr. Fuji wave an American flag at Wrestlemania XII in the corner of Yoko, Jake and Ahmed. I think that may have been his final WWE appearance too. |
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Post by The Brain on Oct 27, 2016 22:40:29 GMT -5
Fuji as a babyface? Thank God that plan failed. It worked in 1996 when Yoko and Fuji left Camp Cornette though. But there was something unsettling about seeing Mr. Fuji wave an American flag at Wrestlemania XII in the corner of Yoko, Jake and Ahmed. I think that may have been his final WWE appearance too. I agree.
And you're correct WM 12 was his last appearance in the WWF. But that brief face turn in 96 was nothing to write home about. You could tell he was uncomfortable as hell in that role in the very few appearances he made during that time period.
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Post by figurecollector on Oct 28, 2016 8:25:55 GMT -5
It worked in 1996 when Yoko and Fuji left Camp Cornette though. But there was something unsettling about seeing Mr. Fuji wave an American flag at Wrestlemania XII in the corner of Yoko, Jake and Ahmed. I think that may have been his final WWE appearance too. I agree.
And you're correct WM 12 was his last appearance in the WWF. But that brief face turn in 96 was nothing to write home about. You could tell he was uncomfortable as hell in that role in the very few appearances he made during that time period.
I seem to think they tried to make some retiring wrestlers faces before their careers ended. I do not know if it was for personal appearances that would occur after the retirement or some other reason. |
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Post by T R W on Oct 28, 2016 8:41:04 GMT -5
Another one that comes to mind is Flair/Hogan from Uncensored 99. Let us never talk about that trainwreck again. |
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 29, 2016 20:17:29 GMT -5
I can see a Mr. Fuji face turn being the original intent, given Powers of Pain lifting him up to their music at the end. Once Demolition came back out, that put things in their direction for face turn. Just as much as you can't see Fuji as a face, you really can't see Demolition as the heels. They were gaining steam for being so cool, they were bound to be the face team going into 1989.
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Post by The Brain on Oct 29, 2016 20:24:39 GMT -5
I can see a Mr. Fuji face turn being the original intent, given Powers of Pain lifting him up to their music at the end. Once Demolition came back out, that put things in their direction for face turn. Just as much as you can't see Fuji as a face, you really can't see Demolition as the heels. They were gaining steam for being so cool, they were bound to be the face team going into 1989. They got a lot of cheers after they won the belts at WM 4 so it really was only a matter of time until they turned them face.
I still don't get why they turned them heel in 90 when they were still way over as faces. When Crush came in that was basically their end sadly.
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 29, 2016 20:31:43 GMT -5
I can see a Mr. Fuji face turn being the original intent, given Powers of Pain lifting him up to their music at the end. Once Demolition came back out, that put things in their direction for face turn. Just as much as you can't see Fuji as a face, you really can't see Demolition as the heels. They were gaining steam for being so cool, they were bound to be the face team going into 1989. They got a lot of cheers after they won the belts at WM 4 so it really was only a matter of time until they turned them face.
I still don't get why they turned them heel in 90 when they were still way over as faces. When Crush came in that was basically their end sadly.
I'm guessing with LOD coming in, there was no way for them to stay face. Plus, with Ax getting ill and Demolition needing a new member-having three guys would be a heel tactic. A face Demolition (if just Ax and Smash) and LOD in the tag ranks might split the fans and especially if it were three members of Demolition and LOD. It would probably have the "Demolition are knock offs" crowd having their say. Personally, I think Demolition is remembered more fondly. Their last heel run seemed to be screwed over at the end but the rest was great. LOD was plagued by a number of short, failed returns, Hawk's demons and two guys who spent most of 1997 as jobbers pretty much destroyed LOD's legacy. Their last really good run was 1990-1992 and the 1992 portion was pretty weak. |
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Post by The Brain on Oct 29, 2016 20:39:29 GMT -5
They got a lot of cheers after they won the belts at WM 4 so it really was only a matter of time until they turned them face.
I still don't get why they turned them heel in 90 when they were still way over as faces. When Crush came in that was basically their end sadly.
I'm guessing with LOD coming in, there was no way for them to stay face. Plus, with Ax getting ill and Demolition needing a new member-having three guys would be a heel tactic. A face Demolition (if just Ax and Smash) and LOD in the tag ranks might split the fans and especially if it were three members of Demolition and LOD. It would probably have the "Demolition are knock offs" crowd having their say. Personally, I think Demolition is remembered more fondly. Their last heel run seemed to be screwed over at the end but the rest was great. LOD was plagued by a number of short, failed returns, Hawk's demons and two guys who spent most of 1997 as jobbers pretty much destroyed LOD's legacy. Their last really good run was 1990-1992 and the 1992 portion was pretty weak. I wish they would of had a proper LOD vs Demolition feud. Just AX/Smash vs Hawk/Animal for the tag belts. Would of been awesome.
As far as LOD's 1st run in the WWF goes, I enjoyed it for the most part. But yeah that whole Rocco dummy thing in 92 was dumb as hell. No wonder they left after Summerslam.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 30, 2016 13:13:10 GMT -5
Demoliton/Powers of Pain from Survivor Series 88. Even though the crowd was confused as hell in the end. The ironic thing about this one is, from what I gathered, that the intent wasn't to make Demolition face or the POP heel, but to make Mr. Fuji face and manage the POP. I am not sure what the WWE was thinking at that one?? POP shoot and several other sources say the intent was to make Demolition faces because of the strong babyface reactions they were getting due to their style and theme tune. Also Vinces plan to replace the Road Warriors with POP when he couldn't sign Hawk & Animal in 88 had failed miserably because they didn't connect with the fans at all. But whatever the intention? it worked out for the best......Demolitions were over like ROVER and were the joint 2nd draw with Hellwig at events easily. Their reaction often eclipsed his too. I was coming in here to say the Demo/POP turn too because everyone else would rightfully say Austin/Hart. |
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