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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 1, 2016 1:14:53 GMT -5
I didn't watch Raw tonight, but from the sounds of it on here I didn't miss much! It's sad that at one time, you just couldn't miss Raw, it was the show to watch, to now being a cluster of craziness that doesn't make sense.
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Post by Word™ on Nov 1, 2016 1:16:28 GMT -5
I remember people speaking highly of Nia Jax when she was in NXT.. People were glad she was going to Raw. What has happened? She sucks. The same thing that seemingly happened to all of the NXT girls once they get called up..... They got called up lol. Seriously Becky, Alexa and Carmella are the only girls to get called up and still do their thing just as good if not better than NXT. Everyone else has seemed worse, watered down or creative has shot them in the leg. Despite tonight's match I believe Bayley is giving it her all.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Nov 1, 2016 1:21:24 GMT -5
The same thing that seemingly happened to all of the NXT girls once they get called up..... They got called up lol. Seriously Becky, Alexa and Carmella are the only girls to get called up and still do their thing just as good if not better than NXT. Everyone else has seemed worse, watered down or creative has shot them in the leg. Despite tonight's match I believe Bayley is giving it her all. She's fallen into the "Creative has shot them in the leg" category for me. Her debut was handled perfectly in front of the best crowd for it. Within about 3 weeks they were back to The Raw crapbooking standard.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 1, 2016 1:22:35 GMT -5
The same thing that seemingly happened to all of the NXT girls once they get called up..... They got called up lol. Seriously Becky, Alexa and Carmella are the only girls to get called up and still do their thing just as good if not better than NXT. Everyone else has seemed worse, watered down or creative has shot them in the leg. Despite tonight's match I believe Bayley is giving it her all. Bayley's problem was the way they were booking her so far. I think Stephanie had it set to have Charlotte and Sasha feud all those months, so she could have them be the main event in Hell In A Cell - during a month that is so centered around women and breast cancer at that. I believe last year, Sasha vs. Bayley at NXT Takeover was in October too, again, the month centered around women and breast cancer. Stephanie clearly knows what she is doing. Anything to make the WWE look positive.
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Post by Rob on Nov 1, 2016 2:25:03 GMT -5
I'm done with Raw for the foreseeable future. Its just plain unwatchable at this point. There really isn't a single watchable thing going right now. Charlotte continues her strangle hold on the womens division. Tag team division is all ed up right now. Clear as day they are stringing along New Days reign so they can break the record, not because their reign is any good and as a result, every other tag team is suffering from it. Roman Reigns is itching his way into the WWE Unichampionship picture. Great, Way to stay in the ing midcard. Speaking of midcard, What midcard? Instead of a bunch of filler mid card matches, We have a bunch of filler cruiser weight matches now taking its place while a whole slough of midcarders are having to put over Braun Strowman since Roman Reigns is nowhere to be found in the division. Bayley went from legit one of the hottest acts in NXT to a jobber on the main roster who has lost her way. Clearly Vince isnt seeing crap in her and is doing his typical magic to pull the rug beneath her feet. Whats the deal with Seth Rollins? I like the dude, legit one of my favs but they have done such a shitty job with his face turn. He gets attacked by HHH and suddenly, Without any explanation, he is a superhero face who apparently got a membership to Cena/Reigns healing center. We all know HHH is in the back, Why not build this ing story a bit? There are so many holes in this story, Swiss cheese looks at it in envy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 3:16:00 GMT -5
I have such a hard time getting into Raw. I skimmed through tonight's show. Anyone else find it odd that Rollins ins't on Team Raw?
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Post by Mark Martin on Nov 1, 2016 3:37:28 GMT -5
Raw was its usual sub-par self. Rusev getting fed to Goldberg was unfortunate, Charlotte is awful and anything to do with Reigns is an immediate fast forward on the DVR. At least Jeri-KO is still entertaining and seems to have some shelf life left.
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Post by Sizzle on Nov 1, 2016 5:28:35 GMT -5
Rollins is really bad right now, Like he is the polar opposite of what he was a year ago. How so? It's just that his character stands for totally different thing and I don't know if it's purposeful, but it is silly to me that he's looking or a fight when last year he wanted to run from every fight. He he went from hating Reigns to just about saving him last night.
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Nov 1, 2016 6:41:30 GMT -5
It's just that his character stands for totally different thing and I don't know if it's purposeful, but it is silly to me that he's looking or a fight when last year he wanted to run from every fight. He he went from hating Reigns to just about saving him last night. Wwe really needs to let go of the whole entire concept of heels and faces. It's outdated and doesn't work with today's audience. Just let people act like themselves and either get over organically or hated organically. They are doing the same crap with Rollins that they do with every face turn of the past decade. All of a sudden he is pounding his chest and trying to pump up the crowd all the time and cracking little jokes like sparkle crotch. It's childish. Heels act like men and faces act like children all the time and they wonder why people keep cheering for the heels. After a decade of John Cena we are in desperate need of a top baby face who acts like Austin. Not out there to promote the PPV, not out there to talk about how much he respects his opponent, not out there cracking jokes, not out there kissing the fans ass and telling them that everything he does is for them, just kicking ass and acting like a man! They are completely out of touch.
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Post by hbkowns on Nov 1, 2016 6:45:19 GMT -5
It's just that his character stands for totally different thing and I don't know if it's purposeful, but it is silly to me that he's looking or a fight when last year he wanted to run from every fight. He he went from hating Reigns to just about saving him last night. It's a slow build face turn. He hasn't really gravitated towards the audience yet so he's kinda in a weird spot. I wouldn't totally say he saved Roman as opposed to trying to get his hands on Owens and Jericho, because they already did the damage by the time Rollins came out. I think character-wise, he's regretting the things he's done because Triple H, his mentor, turned his back on him and left him with nothing. It's a very slow build to a complete character change , which I like. The second Triple H turned on him he didn't come out the next week shaking hands and kissing babies. But I like where they're going with it.
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Post by hbkowns on Nov 1, 2016 6:47:58 GMT -5
It's just that his character stands for totally different thing and I don't know if it's purposeful, but it is silly to me that he's looking or a fight when last year he wanted to run from every fight. He he went from hating Reigns to just about saving him last night. Wwe really needs to let go of the whole entire concept of heels and faces. It's outdated and doesn't work with today's audience. Just let people act like themselves and either get over organically or hated organically. They are doing the same crap with Rollins that they do with every face turn of the past decade. All of a sudden he is pounding his chest and trying to pump up the crowd all the time and cracking little jokes like sparkle crotch. It's childish. Heels act like men and faces act like children all the time and they wonder why people keep cheering for the heels. After a decade of John Cena we are in desperate need of a top baby face who acts like Austin. Not out there to promote the PPV, not out there to talk about how much he respects his opponent, not out there cracking jokes, not out there kissing the fans ass and telling them that everything he does is for them, just kicking ass and acting like a man! They are completely out of touch. It's wrestling man. No matter how many different a shades of grey there are. It all comes down to a heel vs babyface. That's what sells tickets. It's how it's been since the beginning.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 1, 2016 7:05:55 GMT -5
I know one thing... I'm loving everything about Kendrick right now. I've been a fan since Diamondback on Velocity days, but he just gets better with age.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 1, 2016 7:07:46 GMT -5
It's just that his character stands for totally different thing and I don't know if it's purposeful, but it is silly to me that he's looking or a fight when last year he wanted to run from every fight. He he went from hating Reigns to just about saving him last night. It's a slow build face turn. He hasn't really gravitated towards the audience yet so he's kinda in a weird spot. I wouldn't totally say he saved Roman as opposed to trying to get his hands on Owens and Jericho, because they already did the damage by the time Rollins came out. I think character-wise, he's regretting the things he's done because Triple H, his mentor, turned his back on him and left him with nothing. It's a very slow build to a complete character change , which I like. The second Triple H turned on him he didn't come out the next week shaking hands and kissing babies. But I like where they're going with it. Jackpot!! Somebody gets it.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Nov 1, 2016 7:29:09 GMT -5
Edited out the botch lol
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Post by tylerbreezee on Nov 1, 2016 7:36:54 GMT -5
It's just that his character stands for totally different thing and I don't know if it's purposeful, but it is silly to me that he's looking or a fight when last year he wanted to run from every fight. He he went from hating Reigns to just about saving him last night. Triple H absolutely hated Shawn Michaels in their 2002-2004 feud yet 2 years later they were DX lol
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Nov 1, 2016 7:38:12 GMT -5
I was kinda looking forward to Goldberg vs. Lesnar......until last night when Goldberg went down like a sack of sh*t for no reason. This match might be even worse than WM20 if he can't even keep his balance anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 7:47:15 GMT -5
I'm done with Raw for the foreseeable future. Its just plain unwatchable at this point. There really isn't a single watchable thing going right now. Charlotte continues her strangle hold on the womens division. Tag team division is all ed up right now. Clear as day they are stringing along New Days reign so they can break the record, not because their reign is any good and as a result, every other tag team is suffering from it. Roman Reigns is itching his way into the WWE Unichampionship picture. Great, Way to stay in the ing midcard. Speaking of midcard, What midcard? Instead of a bunch of filler mid card matches, We have a bunch of filler cruiser weight matches now taking its place while a whole slough of midcarders are having to put over Braun Strowman since Roman Reigns is nowhere to be found in the division. Bayley went from legit one of the hottest acts in NXT to a jobber on the main roster who has lost her way. Clearly Vince isnt seeing crap in her and is doing his typical magic to pull the rug beneath her feet. Whats the deal with Seth Rollins? I like the dude, legit one of my favs but they have done such a crapty job with his face turn. He gets attacked by HHH and suddenly, Without any explanation, he is a superhero face who apparently got a membership to Cena/Reigns healing center. We all know HHH is in the back, Why not build this ing story a bit? There are so many holes in this story, Swiss cheese looks at it in envy. Even though I kind of expected it it pisses me off seeing what has happened to her. an text book example of the saying be careful what you wish for you just might get it.
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Post by bigshab421 on Nov 1, 2016 7:56:50 GMT -5
WWE has this awful knack for bringing people up to or over to the main roster while they are hot, cutting their legs off and then letting them grow back. It's almost like a sadistic test.
Look at Rusev, brought up hot then fed to Cena and floundered by bad booking, then he had to work his way up again even though he was established. Its frustrating that they continue to this. Bayley is the next victim of bad booking for the initial debut/run, then she will have to work her way back up.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 1, 2016 11:22:48 GMT -5
Nah, not miserable. I'll admit that I was when Becky and Sasha lost at Mania, but when Charlotte won last night, I just laughed and went about my day. I'm sure the match was hilarious. The right woman has the belt though. I disagree. I'm not even saying put the title on Sasha or take it off of Charlotte because of how I feel about her. It's just been the same thing for far too long. I felt like the long reign for the heel should end when the babyface is done chasing. Sasha chased twice and lost the title back almost instantly twice. Of the past 13 months, we've had Charlotte as champion for a vast majority. Outside of the match at Roadblock, Charlotte has had pretty bad feuds/matches when it doesn't involve Sasha, Becky or Sasha (that's not a knock on her, just saying). The Natalya feud was dreadful, her Paige rivalry sucked massively and the short Brie feud wasn't good. Mainly, I just think the division needs something new on Raw. Smackdown's division feels fresh and almost everyone feels equal. Raw is just Charlotte, Sasha and Bayley with a hint of Nia Jax. Hell, give the title to Nia Jax. It could be the jolt that the stale division needs.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 1, 2016 11:24:34 GMT -5
I know one thing... I'm loving everything about Kendrick right now. I've been a fan since Diamondback on Velocity days, but he just gets better with age. He's the only chruiserweight with any real character. TJ just makes video game references, Swann dances and everyone else is just there.
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