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Post by Triple S on Jan 16, 2017 17:24:43 GMT -5
As all UK shows, I hated the crowd. That was expected though.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 16, 2017 20:03:53 GMT -5
Loved the show, especially night two. Pete Dunne and Tyler Bate are awesome.
Here's a documentary about Pete from a few years ago for anyone who hasn't seen it:
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 17, 2017 14:27:38 GMT -5
For anyone interested.
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Post by That 80s Guy on Jan 17, 2017 16:45:44 GMT -5
-- A buddy of mine on FB pointed out a great possible angle:
The reason why William Regal's reaction was so harsh towards Pete Dunne, was because it's his illegitimate son.
Ya hear the phrase "illegitimate son" and it instantly garners a "No" reply; but in this particular case, it kind of would make sense, if it played out correctly.
Thoughts?
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Post by Triple S on Jan 17, 2017 16:48:48 GMT -5
-- A buddy of mine on FB pointed out a great possible angle: The reason why William Regal's reaction was so harsh towards Pete Dunne, was because it's his illegitimate son. Ya hear the phrase "illegitimate son" and it instantly garners a "No" reply; but in this particular case, it kind of would make sense, if it played out correctly. Thoughts? No. There only needs to be a respect "angle", if any. Young and bitter is Dunne's character. Regal being a veteran will demand respect. Dunne has none. BOOM.
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Post by That 80s Guy on Jan 17, 2017 16:57:41 GMT -5
-- A buddy of mine on FB pointed out a great possible angle: The reason why William Regal's reaction was so harsh towards Pete Dunne, was because it's his illegitimate son. Ya hear the phrase "illegitimate son" and it instantly garners a "No" reply; but in this particular case, it kind of would make sense, if it played out correctly. Thoughts? No. There only needs to be a respect "angle", if any. Young and bitter is Dunne's character. Regal being a veteran will demand respect. Dunne has none. BOOM. -- And because of that very point you just made, is even more reason to see such an angle as this. Respected father / Bitter son. Plus, think of the possibility of Regal eventually turning and guiding Dunne on how to be even MORE ruthless against his opponents.
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Post by Triple S on Jan 17, 2017 17:01:36 GMT -5
No. There only needs to be a respect "angle", if any. Young and bitter is Dunne's character. Regal being a veteran will demand respect. Dunne has none. BOOM. -- And because of that very point you just made, is even more reason to see such an angle as this. Respected father / Bitter son. Plus, think of the possibility of Regal eventually turning and guiding Dunne on how to be even MORE ruthless against his opponents. I'm all for it, but without the father/son addition. Gotta say, would LOVE to see Regal feud with Dunne. With Regal eventually going back to his ruthless roots, to beat Dunne. Then going on to mentor him and (like you said) guiding him to being even more ruthless. Just as a wrestler/wrestler connection, though. Is Regal even cleared to wrestle still?
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Post by That 80s Guy on Jan 17, 2017 17:06:24 GMT -5
-- And because of that very point you just made, is even more reason to see such an angle as this. Respected father / Bitter son. Plus, think of the possibility of Regal eventually turning and guiding Dunne on how to be even MORE ruthless against his opponents. I'm all for it, but without the father/son addition. Gotta say, would LOVE to see Regal feud with Dunne. With Regal eventually going back to his ruthless roots, to beat Dunne. Then going on to mentor him and (like you said) guiding him to being even more ruthless. Just as a wrestler/wrestler connection, though. Is Regal even cleared to wrestle still? -- That I'm not sure of, but I wouldn't doubt if he trained for a comeback match like that, especially for Dunne. The way Dunne was cowering when Regal stood over him, spoke volumes! I would love to see these 2 continue working together, as enemies at first and yes, eventually on the same side Regal mentoring him.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 17, 2017 18:26:48 GMT -5
No matter what happens with Regal/Dunne I'm invested and I hope it leads to something bigger. Their interactions were SO GOOD.
Regal needs to have a legit retirement match IMO. Something that is promoted as a big deal. A match with Pete Dunne would be perfect.
Either way I need me some Pete Dunne on my screen every week ASAP. He's so god damn good.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Jan 17, 2017 19:11:47 GMT -5
I liked both the Irish guys. Tucker was great. I didn't like Bate - I think his moveset was just a little too comedy based. I can't imagine him in a Wrestlemania main event acting like that.. and that's the ultimate goal for anybody in this business. I don't think it was all that comedy based. He uses the escapology style that Johnny Saint revolutionized. Sadly, in a post kayfabe world, a lot of people do find comedy in that style, which I can't argue with, but I never have. I understand where you're coming from. Watching a guy like that is fine for people like us on this forum who enjoy wrestling and understand the business to a certain degree but I just can't help but feel that if you showed that match to someone who doesn't watch WWE, they'd think he's an idiot and spend more time laughing disparagingly at his moveset than becoming compelled with the story.
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Post by McBlake on Jan 17, 2017 19:42:53 GMT -5
I'd love for Dunne to be beating down on Bate after another failed effort at the title with Regal running out looking like he's going to make the save, gets the brass knuckles out and hitting Bate with the power of the punch, bloodying him and aligning himself with Dunne.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jan 17, 2017 20:20:19 GMT -5
I don't think it was all that comedy based. He uses the escapology style that Johnny Saint revolutionized. Sadly, in a post kayfabe world, a lot of people do find comedy in that style, which I can't argue with, but I never have. I understand where you're coming from. Watching a guy like that is fine for people like us on this forum who enjoy wrestling and understand the business to a certain degree but I just can't help but feel that if you showed that match to someone who doesn't watch WWE, they'd think he's an idiot and spend more time laughing disparagingly at his moveset than becoming compelled with the story. If they explained that it works and not treat it like a joke, the fans would follow suit. And that's the biggest issue, really. WWE writers have a problem differentiating comedic characters and joke characters, unless they're main even guys. Even then they're bad at comedy. But still, Jack Gallagher is arguably the most over member of the cruiserweight division right now, certainly up there with Swann and Neville, and people seem to take his style seriously while he's in the ring. And he plays it for comedy far more than Bate. I think if done right, Bate wouldn't have to change much to be very over. I'm not sure he'd be a main event player in WWE regardless of the situation, but you never know. And him only being 19 helps him a lot. As long as he can keep moving in the direction he is, he has a long and successful career ahead of him. Of course, if I was to use Bate in a main roster role, I'd bring him in with Trent Seven and use Mustache Mountain in one of the tag divisions.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Jan 17, 2017 20:26:21 GMT -5
I understand where you're coming from. Watching a guy like that is fine for people like us on this forum who enjoy wrestling and understand the business to a certain degree but I just can't help but feel that if you showed that match to someone who doesn't watch WWE, they'd think he's an idiot and spend more time laughing disparagingly at his moveset than becoming compelled with the story. If they explained that it works and not treat it like a joke, the fans would follow suit. And that's the biggest issue, really. WWE writers have a problem differentiating comedic characters and joke characters, unless they're main even guys. Even then they're bad at comedy. But still, Jack Gallagher is arguably the most over member of the cruiserweight division right now, certainly up there with Swann and Neville, and people seem to take his style seriously while he's in the ring. And he plays it for comedy far more than Bate. I think if done right, Bate wouldn't have to change much to be very over. I'm not sure he'd be a main event player in WWE regardless of the situation, but you never know. And him only being 19 helps him a lot. As long as he can keep moving in the direction he is, he has a long and successful career ahead of him. Of course, if I was to use Bate in a main roster role, I'd bring him in with Trent Seven and use Mustache Mountain in one of the tag divisions. Having since watched the Bate/Devlin match and the final, I have to say that he definitely did seem to lessen his use of the moves that could be seen as 'comedic' and had a more focused/aggressive approach. I thought both matches were great and Bate did brilliant in both. For me, his second day performances eclipse the negatives. I have to say, though, that I think his size will hurt him in the long run and he will have to bulk out his frame. Definitely, though, he seems talented. I must admit that I really enjoyed Dunne. I thought his character was engaging and mannerisms were on point. A good weekend for UK/Irish wrestling!
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jan 17, 2017 20:42:24 GMT -5
If they explained that it works and not treat it like a joke, the fans would follow suit. And that's the biggest issue, really. WWE writers have a problem differentiating comedic characters and joke characters, unless they're main even guys. Even then they're bad at comedy. But still, Jack Gallagher is arguably the most over member of the cruiserweight division right now, certainly up there with Swann and Neville, and people seem to take his style seriously while he's in the ring. And he plays it for comedy far more than Bate. I think if done right, Bate wouldn't have to change much to be very over. I'm not sure he'd be a main event player in WWE regardless of the situation, but you never know. And him only being 19 helps him a lot. As long as he can keep moving in the direction he is, he has a long and successful career ahead of him. Of course, if I was to use Bate in a main roster role, I'd bring him in with Trent Seven and use Mustache Mountain in one of the tag divisions. Having since watched the Bate/Devlin match and the final, I have to say that he definitely did seem to lessen his use of the moves that could be seen as 'comedic' and had a more focused/aggressive approach. I thought both matches were great and Bate did brilliant in both. For me, his second day performances eclipse the negatives. I have to say, though, that I think his size will hurt him in the long run and he will have to bulk out his frame. Definitely, though, he seems talented. I must admit that I really enjoyed Dunne. I thought his character was engaging and mannerisms were on point. A good weekend for UK/Irish wrestling! His height will be a bigger issue than his build, and that's not something he can do anything about. He's actually about the same size as AJ, but as good as Bate is, he's not the best wrestler in the world, so that height could still be more of an issue for him. Either way, I think he'll do well enough. And I agree on Dunne. I honestly think he could be brought in on the main roster today and do great. He has all the tools to succeed.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 17, 2017 23:45:06 GMT -5
Pete Dunne looked like a guy who's been working TV crowds for 10+ years.
He 100% stuck out from the pack. From the second he came out for his first match his presence could be felt. It was spectacular.
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