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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 19:42:53 GMT -5
Why are we all talking as if Edge didn't emerge in that period and have the best five years of his HOF worthy career? Those years were also the highlight of Jeff Hardy's career. Yes, both failed in the long run because of injury and stupidity respectively, but everyone saying we only had Cena and Orton aren't being fair to the other guys who were there during that time. I think maybe the reason they were excluded is because they are considered Attitude Era guys and this thread is about guys who were more products of the 2005-2009 era. In fact, I think one of the arguments earlier in the thread is that the reason very few 2005-2009 guys rose to that level is because there were so many guys from prior eras still in the main event scene, such as Edge and Hardy, not to mention HBK and Undertaker among others. |
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Post by The Brain on Feb 2, 2017 20:22:53 GMT -5
John Morrison was one hell of a talent. I wish he had a run with the World Title. Never liked him much. He was a great athlete, but I just kinda rolled my eyes at the flippy stuff. He couldn't talk either. Miz, on the other hand, always seemed to me to have the goods to be one of the best heels. I've never really understood the appeal of Randy Orton. I can't seem to feel any way but indifferent to him. Miz was definitely better on the mic but I always thought Morrison was the better in-ring talent.
I don't got the appeal either to Orton. I was never a fan of his myself.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Feb 3, 2017 10:49:03 GMT -5
Why are we all talking as if Edge didn't emerge in that period and have the best five years of his HOF worthy career? Those years were also the highlight of Jeff Hardy's career. Yes, both failed in the long run because of injury and stupidity respectively, but everyone saying we only had Cena and Orton aren't being fair to the other guys who were there during that time. I think maybe the reason they were excluded is because they are considered Attitude Era guys and this thread is about guys who were more products of the 2005-2009 era. In fact, I think one of the arguments earlier in the thread is that the reason very few 2005-2009 guys rose to that level is because there were so many guys from prior eras still in the main event scene, such as Edge and Hardy, not to mention HBK and Undertaker among others. I don't think that's reasonable.Edge wasn't an Attitude Era act, E&C was. Edge didn't develop from a young rookie into a serious singles star until he won Money in the Bank in 2005, so to say he's an "attitude era guy still in the main event" is unfair because he was on the undercard during that time. Jeff Hardy is the same, he was a Hardy Boy until he returned from TNA in 2006. Even when he was on Raw during the brand split in 2002 and 2003 he was still considered one of the Hardy Boys and had no chance of being taken seriously as a singles star. It was only because fans got used to Matt Hardy as a singles guy as the only brother in the company for two years that they could take Jeff seriously as a singles guy when he came back. Same with Edge rising to prominence when Christian wasn't around anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 11:03:56 GMT -5
I think maybe the reason they were excluded is because they are considered Attitude Era guys and this thread is about guys who were more products of the 2005-2009 era. In fact, I think one of the arguments earlier in the thread is that the reason very few 2005-2009 guys rose to that level is because there were so many guys from prior eras still in the main event scene, such as Edge and Hardy, not to mention HBK and Undertaker among others. I don't think that's reasonable.Edge wasn't an Attitude Era act, E&C was. Edge didn't develop from a young rookie into a serious singles star until he won Money in the Bank in 2005, so to say he's an "attitude era guy still in the main event" is unfair because he was on the undercard during that time. Jeff Hardy is the same, he was a Hardy Boy until he returned from TNA in 2006. Even when he was on Raw during the brand split in 2002 and 2003 he was still considered one of the Hardy Boys and had no chance of being taken seriously as a singles star. It was only because fans got used to Matt Hardy as a singles guy as the only brother in the company for two years that they could take Jeff seriously as a singles guy when he came back. Same with Edge rising to prominence when Christian wasn't around anymore. I'm actually not in disagreement with you. My point is that I just think you were missing the point of the thread, which to me was asking why only a few talents who were products of the 2005-09 era didn't take off and have memorable careers, and one of the arguments was that it was because there were a lot of guys who were products of earlier eras still ruling the main event scene. I'm not arguing fair or unfair, just stating a fact that Edge and Jeff were products of the Attitude Era who were prominent parts of the main event scene at that time. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 3, 2017 21:03:27 GMT -5
I don't think that's reasonable.Edge wasn't an Attitude Era act, E&C was. Edge didn't develop from a young rookie into a serious singles star until he won Money in the Bank in 2005, so to say he's an "attitude era guy still in the main event" is unfair because he was on the undercard during that time. Jeff Hardy is the same, he was a Hardy Boy until he returned from TNA in 2006. Even when he was on Raw during the brand split in 2002 and 2003 he was still considered one of the Hardy Boys and had no chance of being taken seriously as a singles star. It was only because fans got used to Matt Hardy as a singles guy as the only brother in the company for two years that they could take Jeff seriously as a singles guy when he came back. Same with Edge rising to prominence when Christian wasn't around anymore. I'm actually not in disagreement with you. My point is that I just think you were missing the point of the thread, which to me was asking why only a few talents who were products of the 2005-09 era didn't take off and have memorable careers, and one of the arguments was that it was because there were a lot of guys who were products of earlier eras still ruling the main event scene. I'm not arguing fair or unfair, just stating a fact that Edge and Jeff were products of the Attitude Era who were prominent parts of the main event scene at that time. I agree as well that guys like Edge and Jeff Hardy really emerged into true SUPERSTARS during that time, but I was focusing more on talent that debuted in that 2004-2005 timeframe. Edge and Jeff had over half a decade of WWE seasoning on them by the time the Carlitos and Kennedys hit the scene. My main point was that by the time those guys had been around for a few years, their stock never rose like Edge or Jeff and they failed to become big-time players despite plenty of early promise. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 10:13:26 GMT -5
Morrison was a hell of a talent. Hes making WAVES in MEXICO and LUCHA at the moment. Hes the only one with a character.
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