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Post by Mox on Jan 30, 2017 18:25:58 GMT -5
Nobody gave a crap about Cena vs AJ until they hit 20 finishers and Cena did a Code Red. Until then they were just going through the motions. LOL this is so true.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 30, 2017 19:38:04 GMT -5
I watched AJ vs. Cena today and didn't think it was nearly as good as their SummerSlam match. Cena, as usual, completely stopped selling the left leg that AJ spent a majority of the match working on. And, like most WWE matches these days, the entire match eventually came down to each guy being hit with 45 different finishers and kicking out at the last second. AJ's matches with Ambrose at Backlash and TLC were far better, IMO. This. The Ambrose/Styles matches were great as they told a story and ended with one friggin finisher. People go crazy over Cena's matches when to me they've gotten worse and worse as the years go by. All of his matches over the past 3 years have turned into finisher fests, which only lead to the lack of credibility of top moves. When Austin was the guy, it was rare that anyone would kick out of his stunner (WM17 and SS01 are the only examples I can find of someone kicking out of multiple stunners). Nobody kicked out of Hogan's leg drop in the 80s. Cena has killed the idea of finishers and the match last night further proved this.
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Post by ClashOfStyles on Jan 30, 2017 19:49:57 GMT -5
I'm starting to get so sick of hearing about Omega vs Okada. I saw the match and it was really really good, but was it the best ever? Not for me. Not even close. And I say "Not for me" rather than "No" because there is no best match ever. It's a matter of opinion and so many factors go into it. I could rattle off a whole list of matches I personally thought were better than Omega vs Okada. The case is probably different for other people and that's perfectly fine. I'm just sick of people treating this match like it's god's gift to the world and everything else isn't even a close second. I'm also sick of hearing about Kenny Omega in general. Certainly he was the hottest free agent for a brief period before resigning but WWE absolutely doesn't "need" him. He doesn't "need" WWE either. If he signed with WWE, the best he could really do is do what AJ has been doing, because at the end of the day he can only be as strong as he's booked. WWE can make people disinterested in him real fast. Also, it's time for Meltzer to change his pants and stop gushing over Omega. I normally find his opinion interesting, but he's so gaga over this that's it's bordering on creepy. I agree with ALL of this. I enjoyed the match, but it's not the end all be all of professional wrestling IMO. Giving it 6 out of 5 stars is dumb. Sounds like something a child would say. I third this. Both of these posts are 100% correct. That match is way overrated, to call it the best of all time is devaluing all the other great matches in pro wrestling history. As stated above, it's a matter of everyone's individual opinion, not what Dave Meltzer says. Omega's got a big head now because of all the hype he's getting. he'll regret not signing with WWE later.
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Post by Midnight on Jan 30, 2017 21:00:37 GMT -5
I enjoyed Omega Vs Okada a lot more but Cena Vs Styles was great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 21:19:20 GMT -5
Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada at Wrestle Kingdom 11 was a better wrestling match than John Cena vs. AJ Styles at the 2017 Royal Rumble.
Both were good matches.
Plain and simple.
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Post by Yayo on Jan 30, 2017 21:25:05 GMT -5
Pretty sure most of Kenny's tweets are in character.. lolol
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Post by Johnny Mason on Jan 30, 2017 21:29:06 GMT -5
Omega vs okada 5 stars Styles vs cena 4 3/4 stars Imo
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Post by marino13 on Jan 30, 2017 21:50:09 GMT -5
I agree with ALL of this. I enjoyed the match, but it's not the end all be all of professional wrestling IMO. Giving it 6 out of 5 stars is dumb. Sounds like something a child would say. I third this. Both of these posts are 100% correct. That match is way overrated, to call it the best of all time is devaluing all the other great matches in pro wrestling history. As stated above, it's a matter of everyone's individual opinion, not what Dave Meltzer says. Omega's got a big head now because of all the hype he's getting. he'll regret not signing with WWE later. It was a great match. But for me personally, I just can't call it the best ever. But if someone else can, more power to em. Everything is wrestling is 100% subjective. Was it better than Cena/Styles III? I dunno, maybe. I usually just focus on enjoying the matches as opposed to comparing them. We can enjoy both equally. As far as Omega goes... If he signs with WWE, cool. If he doesn't sign with WWE, okay.
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Post by bababooey on Jan 30, 2017 22:11:35 GMT -5
I agree with ALL of this. I enjoyed the match, but it's not the end all be all of professional wrestling IMO. Giving it 6 out of 5 stars is dumb. Sounds like something a child would say. I third this. Both of these posts are 100% correct. That match is way overrated, to call it the best of all time is devaluing all the other great matches in pro wrestling history. As stated above, it's a matter of everyone's individual opinion, not what Dave Meltzer says. Omega's got a big head now because of all the hype he's getting. he'll regret not signing with WWE later. Well I think Omega only resigned for a year, so he may not regret not signing with WWE right now. Unless he can't build on last year. Plus, New Japan will make him the main focus while in WWE he'll be just another guy.
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Jan 30, 2017 22:31:22 GMT -5
I don't follow NJPW, but Okada-Omega is the 1st NJPW match I've seen, I enjoyed it more than I thought.
I probably enjoyed Styles/Cena a little more.
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Post by xtremebadass on Jan 30, 2017 22:35:54 GMT -5
Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada was an incredible match. Was it the greatest of all time? Far from. Meltzer captained this campaign to make people believe it was way better than it actually was. Of course the internet got behind this campaign because they love anything that's not WWE by default. Kenny Omega's blatant attention whoreness isn't really helping my overall thoughts on the match because he himself is putting his own match over every chance he gets. I love Okada though.
With that being said I voted AJ Styles vs. John Cena. Two of my favorite wrestlers of all time. Great story. Okada vs. Omega was a 20 minute match that lasted 45 minutes.
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Post by bababooey on Jan 30, 2017 22:56:14 GMT -5
Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada was an incredible match. Was it the greatest of all time? Far from. Meltzer captained this campaign to make people believe it was way better than it actually was. Of course the internet got behind this campaign because they love anything that's not WWE by default. Kenny Omega's blatant attention whoreness isn't really helping my overall thoughts on the match because he himself is putting his own match over every chance he gets. I love Okada though. With that being said I voted AJ Styles vs. John Cena. Two of my favorite wrestlers of all time. Great story. Okada vs. Omega was a 20 minute match that lasted 45 minutes. Also another interesting thing I was thinking about is how everyone is praising Omega, yet barely anyone seems to be even talking about Okada. My theory is that the reason for this is that WWE had interest in bringing Omega in and Omega was considering it. Okada was clearly staying in New Japan so he wasn't an interesting topic.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 31, 2017 0:07:55 GMT -5
AJ Styles has had a plethora of truly amazing matches, but last night wasn't one of them. It was a really good match and very entertaining, but it was the worst of the trio with Cena and won't be a MOTY contest we're still talking about several months from now imo.
Okada vs Omega was special as hell. A perfect storm of chemistry and the story of Omega making history in the G1 and being this outlaw taking on NJPWs flagship guy, who is still trying to prove to haters he belongs in that rocket spot, was gold. I don't know what is not to like about that match. Okada works a very American style and Omega really likes to sell based on the damage he takes and the story of finding ways to overcome a bunch of small obstacles leading to the ultimate bigger goal in winning the match. It was even more compelling that he came up short, especially now that he's going back.
I think Omega's match with Naito is probably just as deserving of a 5 star rating though. I know it wasnt on the WK stage. Had it been the actual G1 Final, I think it definitely would have gotten 5 stars.
I think if we were talking about Styles vs Cena from SummerSlam, I'd be hard pressed to pick one over the other. I don't think the match from last night is really on the same level as either one of those matches though.
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Post by The Yes Man on Jan 31, 2017 0:59:59 GMT -5
Okada vs Omega was an amazing match - not 6 stars mind you, but one of the best matches in years. Definitely 5 stars to me at least.
Cena vs AJ had a lot of potential. They had a really good match. But they threw psychology out the window completely. It was just big move after big move. I feel like WWE wanted to top NJPW so they decided to do spam it with finishers under the mis-guided opinion that that makes a match awesome.
Omega vs Okada however, told a story over 46 minutes that built and built. They didn't need to hit 10 finishers because theh are two amazing wrestlers that don't need to do that to have a great match. The sad thing is, AJ doesn't have to either. Cena seems to use that as his crutch unfortunately, and to me that brought the match down.
Omega/Okada - 5 stars. AJ/Cena - 4 stars.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jan 31, 2017 1:54:59 GMT -5
I watched AJ vs. Cena today and didn't think it was nearly as good as their SummerSlam match. Cena, as usual, completely stopped selling the left leg that AJ spent a majority of the match working on. And, like most WWE matches these days, the entire match eventually came down to each guy being hit with 45 different finishers and kicking out at the last second. AJ's matches with Ambrose at Backlash and TLC were far better, IMO. This. The Ambrose/Styles matches were great as they told a story and ended with one friggin finisher. People go crazy over Cena's matches when to me they've gotten worse and worse as the years go by. All of his matches over the past 3 years have turned into finisher fests, which only lead to the lack of credibility of top moves. When Austin was the guy, it was rare that anyone would kick out of his stunner (WM17 and SS01 are the only examples I can find of someone kicking out of multiple stunners). Nobody kicked out of Hogan's leg drop in the 80s. Cena has killed the idea of finishers and the match last night further proved this. I agree. Cena's work during his US Title run was incredibly overrated for this reason - a majority of it was just him kicking out of multiple finishers. The ring psychology was non-existent and, again, the lack of selling ruined every match. Not to mention, I think there's something to be said for a match being good based on unpredictability. Last night, there was never a doubt to me that Cena wasn't winning. It's hard for me to enjoy a match when the outcome is obvious from the beginning, which is another reason I thought most of his work with the US Title sucked.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Jan 31, 2017 3:09:37 GMT -5
This Kenny sure thinks highly of himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 3:32:54 GMT -5
Am I the only one who wants to see Okada rule WWE?
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Post by BSR on Jan 31, 2017 5:56:23 GMT -5
This Kenny sure thinks highly of himself. Way over hyped. Nothing special about the guy at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 5:59:57 GMT -5
This Kenny sure thinks highly of himself. Way over hyped. Nothing special about the guy at all. Now that's just not true.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 31, 2017 8:20:39 GMT -5
Way over hyped. Nothing special about the guy at all. Now that's just not true. Ignore him. He makes this same post in every Omega related thread. Next he's going to tell you he's seen a bunch of matches he's most definitely never watched and that's going to be the extent of his cool guy argument.
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