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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Feb 8, 2017 21:45:51 GMT -5
It was memorable but I recall being disappointed it wasn't Jake with Damien. Clearly 1986-1991 was more iconic than mid 1991-92. I think it's just a matter of taste, because I was a much bigger fan of "Trust Me" Jake with the cobra, so to me his Legends attire was "the" attire. I have his All-Star ones too though and both are amazing. Yeah I loved the character too. It's not a bad figure at all. Just saying a more classic Jake with the green bag and Damien probably woulda been more recognizable than him in tights with flames and a cobra.
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Post by rustyjohnson on Feb 8, 2017 22:17:43 GMT -5
The obscure attire is a myth. There weren't as many of these occurrences as people make them out to be. And Road Warriors weren't obscure. That attire is as iconic as LOD. Out of the 33 figures in the main retail released singles line I count 5 wrong picks for attire. Sorry bud, WAY more issues than just 5. Stone Cold Steamboat Dusty *Slaughter (shoulda been the HOF fig) Hawk NOT WWE Animal NOT WWE Rude ONLY WORE THAT ATTIRE FOR 5 MONTHS *Funk (shoulda been ECW) DEBATABLE *Snuka (shoulda been bare foot) Kamala *Jake (shoulda been Allstar Jake) Sheik FIGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SWAPPED Rock Pillman DID NOTHING IN WWE Perfect WRONG HEIGHT Bulldog SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLASSIC *Vader (shoulda came with Mastodon helmet instead of cape) WCW NOT WWE Duggan WRONG HEIGHT Warrior CRAP BLAND EXPRESSION Steele Wonderful FACE ATTIRE INSTEAD OF HEEL (yeah that's iffy but still) Hillbilly Ax HEIGHT Smash HEIGHT Savage Model Akeem Bam Bam NOT WWE Warrior Eddie Tornado Kerry NOT WWE Kevin NOT WWE AND YOU LEFT OUT ORTON AND (SHITTY MISH MASH) PIPER. I agree with your list, except I would give Jake's attire a pass. It's iconic in its own way, representing a very memorable heel run. T The outfit thing IS NOT a myth. If it wasn't they'd have sold, case closed. People looked at the packages and the guys didn't look like how they remember. No myth, FACT. WAY too many oversights with the first line and poor distribution, etc etc... The road warriors COULD VERY WELL BE OBSCURE to those who never watched wwe. I couldn't give a about that black attire. The Red n black should have been first. There are lots of people who only watched either product and nothing else.
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Post by rustyjohnson on Feb 8, 2017 22:22:55 GMT -5
I think it's just a matter of taste, because I was a much bigger fan of "Trust Me" Jake with the cobra, so to me his Legends attire was "the" attire. I have his All-Star ones too though and both are amazing. Yeah I loved the character too. It's not a bad figure at all. Just saying a more classic Jake with the green bag and Damien probably woulda been more recognizable than him in tights with flames and a cobra. No it's NOT a matter of taste, at all. It's not about YOU. The classic Jake is green tights. Period. That's it. Not a jake in an outfit he wore for a year. Green tights. THAT's Jake The Snake Roberts. Who cares if YOU liked the heel one best. Putting the heel outfit first was a DISASTER. There were jakes EVERYWHERE and TONS OF THEM. No one bought them cuz he's tights they dont remember holding a cobra. Now if you were someone who loved 80;s wrestling and decided you'd buy some of these figs and wasn't a fan really anymore - who do you think they'd choose 9 times out of 10? Classic Jake. I loved heel jake too but that's not his iconic look. I wouldn't say ultimate warrior is a better wrestler than ric flair JUST BECAUSE I like warrior better... Had that been all stars jake - who knows maybe they'd have all sold instead of being on clearance while the others were still full price. That's how well heel jake worked out.
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Post by rustyjohnson on Feb 8, 2017 22:25:27 GMT -5
If only they had made the LOD in black and red, and Sarge in camo, and Jimmy Snuka barefoot, the line would still be going strong today! Right, guys? SMH YEAH, because that's 4 crapty figures to start a line with. Why are syh'ing? The figures sucked so they didn't sell well. WTF is there to shake your head at? That's just stupid bro. Unless the amazing businessman that you are can't see the relation between bad product and poor sales... It's a mystery.... smh
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 22:26:17 GMT -5
Yeah I loved the character too. It's not a bad figure at all. Just saying a more classic Jake with the green bag and Damien probably woulda been more recognizable than him in tights with flames and a cobra. No it's NOT a matter of taste, at all. It's not about YOU. The classic Jake is green tights. Period. That's it. Not a jake in an outfit he wore for a year. Green tights. THAT's Jake The Snake Roberts. Who cares if YOU liked the heel one best. Putting the heel outfit first was a DISASTER. There were jakes EVERYWHERE and TONS OF THEM. No one bought them cuz he's tights they dont remember holding a cobra. Now if you were someone who loved 80;s wrestling and decided you'd buy some of these figs and wasn't a fan really anymore - who do you think they'd choose 9 times out of 10? Classic Jake. I loved heel jake too but that's not his iconic look. I wouldn't say ultimate warrior is a better wrestler than ric flair JUST BECAUSE I like warrior better... Had that been all stars jake - who knows maybe they'd have all sold instead of being on clearance while the others were still full price. That's how well heel jake worked out. ROFL You ok?
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Post by BCizzle on Feb 9, 2017 1:25:56 GMT -5
If only they had made the LOD in black and red, and Sarge in camo, and Jimmy Snuka barefoot, the line would still be going strong today! Right, guys? SMH YEAH, because that's 4 crapty figures to start a line with. Why are syh'ing? The figures sucked so they didn't sell well. WTF is there to shake your head at? That's just stupid bro. Unless the amazing businessman that you are can't see the relation between bad product and poor sales... It's a mystery.... smh I don't remember the LOD not selling well at all. Or Sarge. I remember people complaining on here about it, though. The second series, with Snuka, there was just way too much of it. And the lame K-Mart HOF re-issues of figures from the first two waves really hurt it. I remember Bulldog and Pillman hanging around TRU from series 3, and those figures were awesome! It wasn't attire choices. It was too much supply and not enough demand. Mattel wanted to sell way more figures than Jakks was selling. But you want it to be all about you, and what you want, and it's not and has never been.
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Post by WWE Fig guy on Feb 9, 2017 12:28:47 GMT -5
You're starting a new line with a new license.treading the waters of what's going to sell,or what's going to tank.personally I think Mattel should have had a poll for the first couple of series with superstars that you want with the attires that you want.I wasn't collecting Mattel at the time because of my jakks classics,but remember the Walmart and Kmart shelves always jammed. IMPO I think Mattel should have given the creative control to the new consumer base they were trying to real in.they didn't and 7 years later were still trying to find the truth
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Post by Team Madness on Feb 9, 2017 12:39:41 GMT -5
I think it had a little to do with attires, but also lineup choice. I understand that Mattel wanted to release guys that Jakks didn't, but why release terrible lineup choices?
Legends Series 1 should have been Stone Cold, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Hulk Hogan, Ricky Steamboat, & Dusty Rhodes that way you have a few guys in there that sell no matter. Legends Series 2 should have been Undertaker purple attire, Savage, Flair, LOD in their WWF attires and Andre
Those 2 lineups would have hit it out of the park. Mattel has flat out said they make John Cena in every elite lineup because he sells. These figures always sell. Just look at all of the outcry for the flashback retros. Everyone already have a warrior and undertaker from way back in the day but they want the new figures as well. Lame lineup choices as well awful box art and attire choices was the death of this line
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Feb 9, 2017 12:47:20 GMT -5
I wasn't collecting Mattel at the time because of my jakks classics This, this right here, is the main reason why it failed. Its been said countless times. They launched the line too soon. Stone Cold Steve Austin is a top 3 all time great, his figure came with a vest and cloth Austin 3:16 shirt. No one bought it and it had nothing to do with Sargent Slaughter being in AWA attire or Road Warriors not being WWF LOD. People are acting like the line failed because a handful of figures had questionable attire. I am pretty sure that Bill has said no one sold well with the exception of Macho and Warrior. So the argument for bad attire choices can be the reason why no one bought Snuka or Slaughter but that doesn't explain why no one bought Austin, Rock, Dusty, Kamala, Perfect, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 13:01:43 GMT -5
I wasn't collecting Mattel at the time because of my jakks classics This, this right here, is the main reason why it failed. Its been said countless times. They launched the line too soon. Stone Cold Steve Austin is a top 3 all time great, his figure came with a vest and cloth Austin 3:16 shirt. No one bought it and it had nothing to do with Sargent Slaughter being in AWA attire or Road Warriors not being WWF LOD. People are acting like the line failed because a handful of figures had questionable attire. I am pretty sure that Bill has said no one sold well with the exception of Macho and Warrior. So the argument for bad attire choices can be the reason why no one bought Snuka or Slaughter but that doesn't explain why no one bought Austin, Rock, Dusty, Kamala, Perfect, etc. I'm thinking part of the reason coulda been that instead of opening their minds & branching out with this series by giving us new/different wrestlers that hadn't been made before, they just seemed to recycle the same old bunch of names that we had just finished collecting in the Classic Superstars & other series even before that. Think about it, who really wants the 100th figure of these certain wrestlers when there's a whole army that's yet to have a figure at all??
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Post by Team Madness on Feb 9, 2017 13:05:30 GMT -5
This, this right here, is the main reason why it failed. Its been said countless times. They launched the line too soon. Stone Cold Steve Austin is a top 3 all time great, his figure came with a vest and cloth Austin 3:16 shirt. No one bought it and it had nothing to do with Sargent Slaughter being in AWA attire or Road Warriors not being WWF LOD. People are acting like the line failed because a handful of figures had questionable attire. I am pretty sure that Bill has said no one sold well with the exception of Macho and Warrior. So the argument for bad attire choices can be the reason why no one bought Snuka or Slaughter but that doesn't explain why no one bought Austin, Rock, Dusty, Kamala, Perfect, etc. I'm thinking part of the reason coulda been that instead of opening their minds & branching out with this series by giving us new/different wrestlers that hadn't been made before, they just seemed to recycle the same old bunch of names that we had just finished collecting in the Classic Superstars & other series even before that. Think about it, who really wants the 100th figure of these certain wrestlers when there's a whole army that's yet to have a figure at all?? I disagree, the last edition of the mailbag flat out said John Cena is in ever line because he sells well. People will buy every warrior attire, every savage attire, every HBK attire
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 13:14:46 GMT -5
I'm thinking part of the reason coulda been that instead of opening their minds & branching out with this series by giving us new/different wrestlers that hadn't been made before, they just seemed to recycle the same old bunch of names that we had just finished collecting in the Classic Superstars & other series even before that. Think about it, who really wants the 100th figure of these certain wrestlers when there's a whole army that's yet to have a figure at all?? I disagree, the last edition of the mailbag flat out said John Cena is in ever line because he sells well. People will buy every warrior attire, every savage attire, every HBK attire That is true & unfortunately also the reason they'll always make the same worn out bunch. 🙄💩
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Feb 9, 2017 13:19:22 GMT -5
I wasn't collecting Mattel at the time because of my jakks classics This, this right here, is the main reason why it failed. Its been said countless times. They launched the line too soon. Stone Cold Steve Austin is a top 3 all time great, his figure came with a vest and cloth Austin 3:16 shirt. No one bought it and it had nothing to do with Sargent Slaughter being in AWA attire or Road Warriors not being WWF LOD. People are acting like the line failed because a handful of figures had questionable attire. I am pretty sure that Bill has said no one sold well with the exception of Macho and Warrior. So the argument for bad attire choices can be the reason why no one bought Snuka or Slaughter but that doesn't explain why no one bought Austin, Rock, Dusty, Kamala, Perfect, etc. People bought Rock, Austin, Warrior, Macho, & Eddie. Everyone else warmed so f'n hard
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Post by threehgame on Feb 9, 2017 13:26:12 GMT -5
At the time they came out I remember thinking "I wonder why Mattel just did not release the same characters from the first series of the Classics Supertars line." Looking back the Taker figure from it was a TTL figure and Andre looked like an R3 figure. Mattel could have killed all the doubters with collectors getting to do an immediate side by side of the products. For me the line was a pass as so few of the early figures mattered to me. L4 was the first series I really worked to track down.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Feb 9, 2017 13:35:34 GMT -5
This, this right here, is the main reason why it failed. Its been said countless times. They launched the line too soon. Stone Cold Steve Austin is a top 3 all time great, his figure came with a vest and cloth Austin 3:16 shirt. No one bought it and it had nothing to do with Sargent Slaughter being in AWA attire or Road Warriors not being WWF LOD. People are acting like the line failed because a handful of figures had questionable attire. I am pretty sure that Bill has said no one sold well with the exception of Macho and Warrior. So the argument for bad attire choices can be the reason why no one bought Snuka or Slaughter but that doesn't explain why no one bought Austin, Rock, Dusty, Kamala, Perfect, etc. People bought Rock, Austin, Warrior, Macho, & Eddie. Everyone else warmed so f'n hard I'm just going off what I am pretty sure MattelDesignTeam has said during the death of the line. I could be mistaken, but I recall him saying only Warrior and Savage sold well. In my area, I rarely saw Austin, Rock, Road Warriors, or Demolition.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Feb 9, 2017 13:42:57 GMT -5
I think it had a little to do with attires, but also lineup choice. I understand that Mattel wanted to release guys that Jakks didn't, but why release terrible lineup choices? Legends Series 1 should have been Stone Cold, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Hulk Hogan, Ricky Steamboat, & Dusty Rhodes that way you have a few guys in there that sell no matter. Legends Series 2 should have been Undertaker purple attire, Savage, Flair, LOD in their WWF attires and Andre Those 2 lineups would have hit it out of the park. Mattel has flat out said they make John Cena in every elite lineup because he sells. These figures always sell. Just look at all of the outcry for the flashback retros. Everyone already have a warrior and undertaker from way back in the day but they want the new figures as well. Lame lineup choices as well awful box art and attire choices was the death of this line Legends Series 1 should have been: Stone Cold The Rock Shawn Michaels (Mattel had a weird policy where current roster guys couldn't be in the Legends line even if it was in flashback attire) Hulk Hogan (Was signed to TNA) Ricky Steamboat Dusty Rhodes Legends Series 2 should have been: Undertaker purple attire (Couldn't be in Legends because was on current roster) Savage (Was still on bad terms with WWE and not yet signed to any deal) Flair (Was signed to TNA) LOD in their WWF attires Andre (Not sure why it took them so long to make an Andre)
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