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Post by TurboEddie on Feb 10, 2017 14:31:14 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of an annual draft. The rosters should remain the same, with changes only being made when superstars jump ship or get traded, and those should be rare occurrences.
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Post by SmithyPlayz on Feb 10, 2017 14:37:01 GMT -5
Reigns is being booked like Goldberg was and the problem is it's at the sacrifice of other guys, back then they still made Evolution and other guys strong. Owens and Jericho look weak.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 10, 2017 15:14:45 GMT -5
Just because Smackdown's good that doesn't mean that the brand split is a success. Look at the first year of the original split you had 2 epic shows with lots of great talent and things going on but this split has proven that something old shouldn't be retried.
The belts suck, the rosters are weak and it's made the WWE 10 times worse.
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Post by J12 on Feb 10, 2017 16:04:46 GMT -5
The split has been hugely beneficial to Smackdown in terms of appeal, and moderately beneficial in terms of ratings, which is good, but it really hasn't done much for Raw. It's still just as big of a mess creatively as it was before, and three hours is absolutely destroying the show, and crippling the product overall.
Vince can talk about how proud he is all he wants, but numbers don't lie, and the numbers are in the toilet.
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Post by Himmy! on Feb 10, 2017 16:05:32 GMT -5
For the most part I'm enjoying it. Raw has picked up recently and Smackdown has been really good throughout the split.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Feb 10, 2017 19:26:46 GMT -5
The split has been hugely beneficial to Smackdown in terms of appeal, and moderately beneficial in terms of ratings, which is good, but it really hasn't done much for Raw. It's still just as big of a mess creatively as it was before, and three hours is absolutely destroying the show, and crippling the product overall. Vince can talk about how proud he is all he wants, but numbers don't lie, and the numbers are in the toilet. The numbers aren't in the toilet -- profits are the best they've been in the Network years, and that's down to the TV rights, which very much rely on three hours of Raw.
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Post by J12 on Feb 10, 2017 19:31:55 GMT -5
The split has been hugely beneficial to Smackdown in terms of appeal, and moderately beneficial in terms of ratings, which is good, but it really hasn't done much for Raw. It's still just as big of a mess creatively as it was before, and three hours is absolutely destroying the show, and crippling the product overall. Vince can talk about how proud he is all he wants, but numbers don't lie, and the numbers are in the toilet. The numbers aren't in the toilet -- profits are the best they've been in the Network years, and that's down to the TV rights, which very much rely on three hours of Raw. The numbers I'm referring to are the ratings, which are, indeed, in the toilet, and they're dropping consistently. 30%, in fact, since Raw switched to three hours (and that's on the generous side), and the longer they continue with the third hour, the worse it's going to get. People are turning away from Raw in droves. The TV rights deal is great right now - and it's even better for 2017, but they landed this deal on a false premise that they've failed to deliver on.
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Post by The Brain on Feb 10, 2017 19:44:01 GMT -5
Just because Smackdown's good that doesn't mean that the brand split is a success. Look at the first year of the original split you had 2 epic shows with lots of great talent and things going on but this split has proven that something old shouldn't be retried. The belts suck, the rosters are weak and it's made the WWE 10 times worse.I'll add in the announcers as well.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Feb 10, 2017 19:57:21 GMT -5
The numbers aren't in the toilet -- profits are the best they've been in the Network years, and that's down to the TV rights, which very much rely on three hours of Raw. The numbers I'm referring to are the ratings, which are, indeed, in the toilet, and they're dropping consistently. 30%, in fact, since Raw switched to three hours (and that's on the generous side), and the longer they continue with the third hour, the worse it's going to get. People are turning away from Raw in droves. The longer they continue with the third hour, the more money they make. The value that wrestling programming has to networks is where it places them in the 18-49 demographic network rankings. And as much as we can complain that the sky is falling or that numbers are in the toilet, WWE is making its big money by Raw giving USA three slots in that weekly top 25. SmackDown's giving them one slot every Tuesday too. And there isn't much else from USA that ever makes the list. As long as that continues to be the case, profits will continue to grow, and WWE will keep giving bangarang five hours to complain about every week.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 10, 2017 19:59:04 GMT -5
Just because Smackdown's good that doesn't mean that the brand split is a success. Look at the first year of the original split you had 2 epic shows with lots of great talent and things going on but this split has proven that something old shouldn't be retried. The belts suck, the rosters are weak and it's made the WWE 10 times worse.I'll add in the announcers as well. Raw's are awful but from Smackdown I like Mauro and JBL.
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Post by J12 on Feb 10, 2017 20:13:46 GMT -5
The numbers I'm referring to are the ratings, which are, indeed, in the toilet, and they're dropping consistently. 30%, in fact, since Raw switched to three hours (and that's on the generous side), and the longer they continue with the third hour, the worse it's going to get. People are turning away from Raw in droves. The longer they continue with the third hour, the more money they make. The value that wrestling programming has to networks is where it places them in the 18-49 demographic network rankings. And as much as we can complain that the sky is falling or that numbers are in the toilet, WWE is making its big money by Raw giving USA three slots in that weekly top 25. SmackDown's giving them one slot every Tuesday too. And there isn't much else from USA that ever makes the list. As long as that continues to be the case, profits will continue to grow, and WWE will keep giving bangarang five hours to complain about every week. This goes back to the key argument of, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. 30% is not a negligible number, and it can be correlated directly to the addition of the third hour. There are many people in the business who feel that a strong two hours of programming could generate more interest, leading to a higher rating, which in turn leads to higher revenues. Hell, there have been indications that even those in charge feel that way. Profits are going to increase this year because a deal was signed based on expectation, not on reality. Reality shows that WWE has been hemorrhaging viewers for four years, proving themselves not to be DVR proof as they insinuated. Furthermore, they're creating an audience that is largely satisfied with YouTube clips and extended free trials of a Network that delivers no profit to NBCUniversal. If WWE doesn't buck that trend, it's going to get worse. The question becomes, when the next TV deal comes around, is WWE going to be rewarded based on actual performance relative to expectation, or on the relatively hollow stat of being number one on a network that has been struggling to brand itself and create buzz for years. They're going to hope it's the latter.
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Post by The neferious brotha Hargrove on Feb 10, 2017 23:00:37 GMT -5
Vince McMahon is a tremendous businessman. Just tremendous. Donated a lot of money to my campaign and now his wife works for me. Just fantastic. Even though I shaved his head after taking down Stone Cold Steve Austin at Wrestlemania, we get along bigly now. He has a real eye for talent. Roman Reigns is huge. Just huge. Many people say he is the best superstar ever. Maybe not as good as me since I am in the Hall of Fame, but really tremendous. hold up... My G , this is my yard and I'm the BIG DAWG
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Post by hbkowns on Feb 10, 2017 23:51:33 GMT -5
Getting more eyes on Smackdown is always good for business.
It's been somewhat successful and I look forward on what's to come but the yearly plague of part-timers at Mania hurts anyone who's on the verge of ever becoming a star. What was the point of giving KO the strap 6 months if he is going to drop it to Goldberg? What's the point of giving AJ Styles a huge year if he's going to job to Shane at Mania. You build these guys up and never give them the icing on the cake they need to solidify themselves as top guys because part-time acts are priority.
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Post by fzmadness on Feb 10, 2017 23:59:50 GMT -5
I think its been a success so far. They do need more depth on Smackdown and need to build up NXT again but for the most part its been a good thing.
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Post by A-Rob on Feb 11, 2017 0:53:31 GMT -5
Vince McMahon is a tremendous businessman. Just tremendous. Donated a lot of money to my campaign and now his wife works for me. Just fantastic. Even though I shaved his head after taking down Stone Cold Steve Austin at Wrestlemania, we get along bigly now. He has a real eye for talent. Roman Reigns is huge. Just huge. Many people say he is the best superstar ever. Maybe not as good as me since I am in the Hall of Fame, but really tremendous. Best.Gimmick.Ever.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Feb 11, 2017 14:22:20 GMT -5
He should be, the entire product has been so refreshing since July. I'm loving it.
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