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Post by bigshab421 on Mar 15, 2017 7:12:41 GMT -5
Smackdowns roster besides the big guys, Styles, Ambrose, Orton, Wyatt, Miz, is bad. I'll throw Corbin in there too. Not even counting Cena at this point. So when you don't even have Styles in a match, Wyatt and Ambrose not even in the building, you get a bad show. I feel bad for the crowd that paid to see that. Whether it's a draft shakeup or NXT infusion, Smackdown needs help. They really really need Nakamura, Dillinger, and the Revival there post Mania. Give RAW Asuka but send the other three to Smackdown. That roster is so weak outside the top guys.
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 15, 2017 7:28:19 GMT -5
Ambrose not being there was a letdown considering he's a champ. This was the second week in a row where your WWE Champ wasn't live in the building either. And all of this was done to force a dumb Shane McMahon match. AJ should be in the title fight, not with Vince's over the hill son.
I'm afraid this might also be the second year in a row where Ambrose gets screwed at WM due to Shane's match. Besides Lesnar being lazy, it was rumored that the WWE didn't want any big spots in their match so as not to overshadow Shane/Taker. Ambrose/Corbin should be a gimmick match, but if Shane/AJ are as well, then we know they'll cut the knees out from under Ambrose again.
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Post by bigshab421 on Mar 15, 2017 8:41:23 GMT -5
Ambrose not being there was a letdown considering he's a champ. This was the second week in a row where your WWE Champ wasn't live in the building either. And all of this was done to force a dumb Shane McMahon match. AJ should be in the title fight, not with Vince's over the hill son. I'm afraid this might also be the second year in a row where Ambrose gets screwed at WM due to Shane's match. Besides Lesnar being lazy, it was rumored that the WWE didn't want any big spots in their match so as not to overshadow Shane/Taker. Ambrose/Corbin should be a gimmick match, but if Shane/AJ are as well, then we know they'll cut the knees out from under Ambrose again. I think you will see Ambrose/Corbin in a street fight or falls count anywhere where they tape it throughout the stadium. AJ/Shane will just be a regular No-Dq match
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Post by Wardyz on Mar 15, 2017 8:44:59 GMT -5
As I've said for a long while, Smackdown are a few midcard guys away from being legitimately stronger than RAW
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Post by J12 on Mar 15, 2017 10:24:51 GMT -5
Also, as expected, the Wyatt/Orton angle is ice cold garbage.
WWE set out to prove that Orton/Wyatt and AJ/Shane aren't poorly contrived consolation prizes last night, but they overplayed their hand and proved everyone's point even further.
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Post by havoc7179 on Mar 15, 2017 10:58:43 GMT -5
Also, as expected, the Wyatt/Orton angle is ice cold garbage. WWE set out to prove that Orton/Wyatt and AJ/Shane aren't poorly contrived consolation prizes last night, but they overplayed their hand and proved everyone's point even further. I know people will say it doesn't matter, but Smackdown is trying to force things here. Wyatt is the "heel" yet gets cheered. Orton is supposed to be the "hero" based on his promo last night, but is obviously the villain according to the fans. Shane is supposed to be the victim, but I wish he was thrown through all of the car windows. AJ is supposed to be the heel but is getting cheers. Do you know why it matters? Because it matters to the WWE writers.Fans forget that the writers are following basic story tellling structures where you need clear good guys and bad guys. The story WWE wants to tell won't work here because the reactions aren't in line with hte WWE's vision. These stories will fail miserably. That's why it's good fans care more about the in ring product tha the stories.
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Post by Will on Mar 15, 2017 11:49:32 GMT -5
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Post by Rob on Mar 15, 2017 15:58:25 GMT -5
I know people have been saying this every year for the last 4-5 years, but good god, This WM build has been one of the worst in recent memory. It reminds me of the build up for one of those throwaway 2-3 build PPV's where they just start making a bunch of random matches over the course of 2 weeks that make zero sense or lack any real depth in story. I remember back when there were 3-4 feuds heading into WM that would start around RR and just keep brewing until it explodes at WM, giving it a huge match feel.
Why do i want to watch Goldberg/Lesnar main event when Goldberg squashed him clean in a minute?
Why is Braun Strowman still attacking Reigns when Reigns is facing Taker?
Why is Jericho/Owens for the US title when it should be for the Universal title?
Why is AJ going after Shane when he legitimately has not 1 but 2 WWE title shots, 1 for his rematch and 1 for the hoops he jumped through by beating Harper.
I can go on and on. None of this crap even makes sense. This is WM, Not Roadblock or Backlash.
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Post by J12 on Mar 15, 2017 16:06:16 GMT -5
I know people have been saying this every year for the last 4-5 years, but good god, This WM build has been one of the worst in recent memory. It reminds me of the build up for one of those throwaway 2-3 build PPV's where they just start making a bunch of random matches over the course of 2 weeks that make zero sense or lack any real depth in story. I remember back when there were 3-4 feuds heading into WM that would start around RR and just keep brewing until it explodes at WM, giving it a huge match feel. Why do i want to watch Goldberg/Lesnar main event when Goldberg squashed him clean in a minute? Why is Braun Strowman still attacking Reigns when Reigns is facing Taker? Why is Jericho/Owens for the US title when it should be for the Universal title? Why is AJ going after Shane when he legitimately has not 1 but 2 WWE title shots, 1 for his rematch and 1 for the hoops he jumped through by beating Harper. I can go on and on. None of this crap even makes sense. This is WM, Not Roadblock or Backlash. This style has sort of become par for the course with Wrestlemania these days, but I don't think the build itself has been all that rushed or lacking this year. Lesnar/Goldberg has been in the works since November Owens/Jericho has been in the works since the fall Styles/Shane had seeds planted months ago Triple H/Rollins is a year plus in the making Orton/Wyatt has been building since the fall Taker/Roman was set up at the Rumble The problem this year isn't that they're not building the card, it's just that they're not booking interesting angles. They've put a ton of time into most of the feuds on the card this year, it's just that the feuds aren't very good.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Mar 15, 2017 16:10:32 GMT -5
I know people have been saying this every year for the last 4-5 years, but good god, This WM build has been one of the worst in recent memory. It reminds me of the build up for one of those throwaway 2-3 build PPV's where they just start making a bunch of random matches over the course of 2 weeks that make zero sense or lack any real depth in story. I remember back when there were 3-4 feuds heading into WM that would start around RR and just keep brewing until it explodes at WM, giving it a huge match feel. Why do i want to watch Goldberg/Lesnar main event when Goldberg squashed him clean in a minute? Why is Braun Strowman still attacking Reigns when Reigns is facing Taker? Why is Jericho/Owens for the US title when it should be for the Universal title? Why is AJ going after Shane when he legitimately has not 1 but 2 WWE title shots, 1 for his rematch and 1 for the hoops he jumped through by beating Harper. I can go on and on. None of this crap even makes sense. This is WM, Not Roadblock or Backlash. "4-5 years" The build up hasn't been bad the last several years except for last year.. The last two events themselves on the other hand havent been that good Wrestlemania 28 had phenomenal build Wrestlemania 29 had pretty good build Wrestlemania 30 had amazing build Wrestlemania 31 had decent build Wrestlemania 32 had trash build up
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Mar 15, 2017 17:16:54 GMT -5
Why is Jericho/Owens for the US title when it should be for the Universal title? You answered your own question: Because Shane is the boss who has screwed him out of those title shots.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Mar 15, 2017 18:36:45 GMT -5
I know people have been saying this every year for the last 4-5 years, but good god, This WM build has been one of the worst in recent memory. It reminds me of the build up for one of those throwaway 2-3 build PPV's where they just start making a bunch of random matches over the course of 2 weeks that make zero sense or lack any real depth in story. I remember back when there were 3-4 feuds heading into WM that would start around RR and just keep brewing until it explodes at WM, giving it a huge match feel. Why do i want to watch Goldberg/Lesnar main event when Goldberg squashed him clean in a minute? Why is Braun Strowman still attacking Reigns when Reigns is facing Taker? Why is Jericho/Owens for the US title when it should be for the Universal title? Why is AJ going after Shane when he legitimately has not 1 but 2 WWE title shots, 1 for his rematch and 1 for the hoops he jumped through by beating Harper. I can go on and on. None of this crap even makes sense. This is WM, Not Roadblock or Backlash. "4-5 years" The build up hasn't been bad the last several years except for last year.. The last two events themselves on the other hand havent been that good Wrestlemania 28 had phenomenal build Wrestlemania 29 had pretty good build Wrestlemania 30 had amazing build Wrestlemania 31 had decent build Wrestlemania 32 had trash build up For me, id combine the rating in build ups for WM 31 and 32, but i agree with the rest
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Post by Escape The Rules on Mar 16, 2017 8:45:32 GMT -5
Quite a weak show this week if I'm honest. The Usos and Alpha was an odd main event choice. But I did like the Shane McMahon and AJ Styles stuff.
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Post by bigshab421 on Mar 16, 2017 12:42:25 GMT -5
AJ and Shane will be an entertaining match but it does not need to happen.
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Post by Dan on Mar 16, 2017 14:46:05 GMT -5
I'm interested to see whether they are planting the seeds for Bray Wyatt being their new character with supernatural powers based on Undertaker getting retired at Wrestlemania, and as a way to ensure that there is still a superstar on the roster that can continue this gimmick on. It'll probably come to nothing, as does most cryptic Wyatt promos, but it'll be interesting to see. I still find it incredibly hard to buy into his Undertaker-esque promos when he ends up just coming to the ring later on wearing baggy trousers and dreadlock hair looking like an out of shape hippy.
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 16, 2017 15:47:02 GMT -5
Say what you want about who AJ should be facing at Mania but the guy turns chicken sh*t into chicken salad. I think there stands a really good chance that he can get a WM15/KOTR01 type of match out of Shane. HBK vs Vince at WM22 was essentially HBK vs a broom, and now this is AJ's moment to do the same. I think that HBK match is hella memorable for what HBK got out of Vince, and for both the magazine cover spot and the ladder/trash can/s*ck it spot. It's that kind of stuff that makes timeless Mania moments and I hope that's what we can get out of this match.
For what it's worth, I enjoyed everything AJ did on Smackdown, and I think Shane played his part perfectly. I liked the car window spot and Shane looking like he got ran over.
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