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Post by Bandalero on May 25, 2017 9:28:07 GMT -5
So recently I've been re-watching old NWA/WCW PPVs & Clashes circa '89 - around the time when the Freebirds won the belts. They defended the tag titles at two Clashes and one PPV (Halloween Havoc '89) and cut promos for the TV tapings during that time. Of course I didn't notice it back then, but looking back at it now I realized Michael Hayes never had/carried his tag team title! Garvin had his, but Hayes clearly came down to the ring each time empty handed. Anyone know the story as to why? It's not a big deal but I thought it looked strange when there was only 1 belt between two guys. Wonder if Hayes lost his in some legendary Freebird drunken party. Doom eventually lifted the belts off them and had those blue straps like the current colour of the SDL! tag straps. This got me curious and I did some Googling to find out that the NWA only officially recognizes champions from 1992 when Gordy & Williams won the tournament at the Great American Bash '92!!! So weird, because we still revere the Rock N Roll Express as 4 time NWA World Tag Team Champions. so confused  |
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Post by The Brain on May 25, 2017 10:10:55 GMT -5
My guess would be like you said either Hayes lost it in some wild party or NWA themselves lost the belt. They had to be working on new belts since when Doom won em they had the blue strap look. So while working on the new belts they just said screw it let them come down with one belt for now.
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Post by robbutler01 on May 25, 2017 11:45:39 GMT -5
I never noticed that either. I can imagine him losing it but there must be another reason? Weird and gonna have to go and look for myself!
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Post by ricflair4ever on May 25, 2017 14:37:14 GMT -5
Knowing Hayes....you probably already know the answer. However, I'm more confused by this apparent Gordy/Williams being the first official NWA Tag champs thing. I know its been said that the NWA never had officially recognized World Tag Team Champions, with Crockett ,more or less,.establishing them as such on his own back in the 70s i believe. Although history shows other promotions recognized their own NWA world tag team champions going back many years prior to that even. So, going by that logic, the glory tag years from the early 80s with The Briscoes, Steamboat/Youngblood, Slaughter/Kernoodle, all the way through the Koloffs,Midnights, RnRs, Andersons,Horsemen, Road Warriors etc, through its transformation into WCW, were just "JCP" world tag team titles......unfortunately for the NWA, the belts said "NWA" World Tag Team.Champions (at least from 87 onward)so I'll ALWAYS view them as such. No matter what the NWA would like for me to believe now.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 26, 2017 1:09:47 GMT -5
So recently I've been re-watching old NWA/WCW PPVs & Clashes circa '89 - around the time when the Freebirds won the belts. They defended the tag titles at two Clashes and one PPV (Halloween Havoc '89) and cut promos for the TV tapings during that time. Of course I didn't notice it back then, but looking back at it now I realized Michael Hayes never had/carried his tag team title! Garvin had his, but Hayes clearly came down to the ring each time empty handed. Anyone know the story as to why? It's not a big deal but I thought it looked strange when there was only 1 belt between two guys. Wonder if Hayes lost his in some legendary Freebird drunken party. Doom eventually lifted the belts off them and had those blue straps like the current colour of the SDL! tag straps. This got me curious and I did some Googling to find out that the NWA only officially recognizes champions from 1992 when Gordy & Williams won the tournament at the Great American Bash '92!!! So weird, because we still revere the Rock N Roll Express as 4 time NWA World Tag Team Champions. so confused The reason why he NWA Tag Titles start out in 1992 with Doc and Gordy, is because the NWA Tag Titles that the Freebirds had are put in the same linage as the WCW Tag Titles, since they officially got renamed to the WCW Tag Titles in 1991 when Doom held them. They just kept using the NWA Tag Titles until late 1991 when they made new WCW Tag Titles for Arn and Larry. So when the tournament by Japan happened in 1992 with the NWA Titles, they just made it seem like the NWA was a branch of its own then, and not part of WCW/Georgia/Mid Atlantic like the tag belts held by The Steiners at the time in 1992. I do remember the situation you are talking about though, with Garvin carrying his belt and Hayes didn't carry his. I always wondered about that too. Also, if you watch WCW Beach Blast 92, during the six man tag where it's Austin, Arn and Eaton vs. Nikita, Barry and Dustin, Steve Austin has another belt instead of the WCW/NWA silver TV Title. He never shows it on camera either. Carries it to the ring with the belt pointed towards himself. If he didn't bring the TV Title with him, I don't think it would have mattered if he wore it to the ring or not that night, being he was in a six man tag match. |
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Post by Bandalero on May 27, 2017 11:25:04 GMT -5
Y'know this just occurred to me: LOD has the acclaim of being the first triple world tag team champions in the American promotions at the time - AWA, NWA, and WWF. But if the National Wrestling Alliance only acknowledges champions from '92 onwards, then the Road Warriors didn't actually win the NWA tag titles...mind blown.
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Post by ricflair4ever on May 27, 2017 12:45:34 GMT -5
Y'know this just occurred to me: LOD has the acclaim of being the first triple world tag team champions in the American promotions at the time - AWA, NWA, and WWF. But if the National Wrestling Alliance only acknowledges champions from '92 onwards, then the Road Warriors didn't actually win the NWA tag titles...mind blown. Lol....the "NWA" not acknowledging those pre 92 champions is a joke. The Warriors and everyone else during that time were NWA champions. They should be embracing the fact that at one point or another, EVERY major promotion in North America recognized those titles on some level. WCW,WWF,ECW (although with the singles title) New Japan (same as ECW) and TNA. Instead they downplay their own lineage and importance? Morons....anyway, they cant rewrite history, the most recognized and revered of the NWA tag title history is still intact to anyone who remembers it.....while we're on the subject of the NWA's tag title lineage, history, prestige, etc.....who are the CURRENT NWA tag champs? Cause i have no clue.....and barely care. |
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Post by jeffro2000 on May 27, 2017 14:56:10 GMT -5
Yeah, Crockett was the NWA by the mid and definitely late 80s. Sure, technically those were JCP/Mid Atlantic belts but they were World titles in maybe the greatest Tag Team era in wrestling history.
As stated, by the end of the decade, JCP was basically the sole active North American promotion working under the NWA banner. There was no longer meetings, boards to decide Champs, etc. Whatever Crockett wanted is what happened.
The NWA was dead by that point. WCW eventually phased out the NWA belts, changing them to WCW, but no one was around to complain.
They had to basically reform it to Levy the lawsuit to get the Big Gold belt back from Flair. It reformed then, I think Herd was named President, and they had the brief period working together primarily with Japan.
Shortly after, you had crap smaller members thinking they had a say in who was going to be champ and get the champ so WCW officially withdrew.
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