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Post by Nick the Quick on Jun 3, 2017 15:54:09 GMT -5
I'm with yah on 90s Shawn. He was the perfect heel that you'd want to see get his teeth knocked out. And he'd have been perfect as the driver. Sadly his demons got in the way of it which is a shame. Rumors say that he was physically ready to go in the ring by mid-1999 but his drug issues are what kept him out for the majority of those 4.5 years. I've always heard that the original plans for WM16/2000 was Austin/Taker and HBK/Triple H as the double main event; so yeah HBK was seen to be ready within just over a year First time I've heard that. From what I understand, the original plan for WM 2000 was Austin vs Show. Supposedly Big Show was promised at title reign within his first year and the Mania main event. Austin vs Taker had been overdone by then, but I do wonder who Taker would have faced had he been healthy and even if he would have won considering the streak wasn't promoted as a big deal back then. Now, onto the original topic. I didn't see Rikiski being revealed as the driver, I get why it was done, people like HHH or Rock would have been too obvious. In the long run it didn't do anything for Austin and did more harm than good for Rikishi.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 3, 2017 22:39:46 GMT -5
I've always heard that the original plans for WM16/2000 was Austin/Taker and HBK/Triple H as the double main event; so yeah HBK was seen to be ready within just over a year First time I've heard that. From what I understand, the original plan for WM 2000 was Austin vs Show. Supposedly Big Show was promised at title reign within his first year and the Mania main event. Austin vs Taker had been overdone by then, but I do wonder who Taker would have faced had he been healthy and even if he would have won considering the streak wasn't promoted as a big deal back then. Now, onto the original topic. I didn't see Rikiski being revealed as the driver, I get why it was done, people like HHH or Rock would have been too obvious. In the long run it didn't do anything for Austin and did more harm than good for Rikishi. This is true. Austin said that they were going to build towards Austin vs show for Mania 2000. Show would turn face for awhile in 1999, then turn back heel in time for Mania. I don't know about a Title reign, but I've heard forever that it was in his contract for the Mania main event slot, hence why they created the Fatal 4-Way match when everyone wanted Rock vs Trips in a one on one. Not to mention, Austin went out, and Show didn't get over as a face, at all. so the whole angle died. As far as Rikishi, I swear I read that Vince wanted HOGAN to be the driver! That his contract was up, or coming up around that time, and he made a huge effort to sign Hogan, but in the end he resigned with WCW. But if he had been able to, the driver would've eventually been revealed to be Hogan.
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Post by Nick the Quick on Jun 4, 2017 9:36:46 GMT -5
First time I've heard that. From what I understand, the original plan for WM 2000 was Austin vs Show. Supposedly Big Show was promised at title reign within his first year and the Mania main event. Austin vs Taker had been overdone by then, but I do wonder who Taker would have faced had he been healthy and even if he would have won considering the streak wasn't promoted as a big deal back then. Now, onto the original topic. I didn't see Rikiski being revealed as the driver, I get why it was done, people like HHH or Rock would have been too obvious. In the long run it didn't do anything for Austin and did more harm than good for Rikishi. This is true. Austin said that they were going to build towards Austin vs show for Mania 2000. Show would turn face for awhile in 1999, then turn back heel in time for Mania. I don't know about a Title reign, but I've heard forever that it was in his contract for the Mania main event slot, hence why they created the Fatal 4-Way match when everyone wanted Rock vs Trips in a one on one. Not to mention, Austin went out, and Show didn't get over as a face, at all. so the whole angle died. As far as Rikishi, I swear I read that Vince wanted HOGAN to be the driver! That his contract was up, or coming up around that time, and he made a huge effort to sign Hogan, but in the end he resigned with WCW. But if he had been able to, the driver would've eventually been revealed to be Hogan. I've heard the Hogan thing but would they have agreed to work together because rumor has it Mania 18 was originally Austin vs Hogan which turned into Rock vs Hogan because they couldn't agree on a finish.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 4, 2017 16:49:10 GMT -5
I still ask myself "Why Rikishi?" every day. It's up there with the Starrcade 97's main event. Two baffling moments I'll never be able to wrap my head around.
Honestly I hated the Rikishi gimmick. All it was is a fat guy in a thong that liked to dance. That's ALL he was. Turning him heel was one of the worst booking decisions ever made. Had they changed his look and especially his gear, maybe it could of worked. But leaving him the same just made him look like a fool.
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Post by The Brain on Jun 4, 2017 17:02:01 GMT -5
I still ask myself "Why Rikishi?" every day. It's up there with the Starrcade 97's main event. Two baffling moments I'll never be able to wrap my head around. Honestly I hated the Rikishi gimmick. All it was is a fat guy in a thong that liked to dance. That's ALL he was. Turning him heel was one of the worst booking decisions ever made. Had they changed his look and especially his gear, maybe it could of worked. But leaving him the same just made him look like a fool. I agree with changing his look. A heel with his a$$ hanging out is very hard to take seriously.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jun 4, 2017 17:26:12 GMT -5
I still ask myself "Why Rikishi?" every day. It's up there with the Starrcade 97's main event. Two baffling moments I'll never be able to wrap my head around. Honestly I hated the Rikishi gimmick. All it was is a fat guy in a thong that liked to dance. That's ALL he was. Turning him heel was one of the worst booking decisions ever made. Had they changed his look and especially his gear, maybe it could of worked. But leaving him the same just made him look like a fool. I agree with changing his look. A heel with his a$$ hanging out is very hard to take seriously. What I didn't like either was that he still did the Stink face. Seriously that move was only over when he did it to a heel but it's something he really should've dropped.
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Post by Sizzle on Jun 4, 2017 17:35:05 GMT -5
He should've gone with the pants he wore sometimes for his attire. He looked badass with the jacket and pants.
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Post by PJ on Jun 4, 2017 18:24:56 GMT -5
Face/Heel it made no difference to me I hated the Rikishi gimmick. And it still baffles my mind that he is in the HOF because of that gimmick. Which was nothing more than a weekly @ss joke.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jun 4, 2017 18:42:51 GMT -5
Face/Heel it made no difference to me I hated the Rikishi gimmick. And it still baffles my mind that he is in the HOF because of that gimmick. Which was nothing more than a weekly @ss joke. That gimmick made him one of the most over men in the company at the time so that alone makes him HOF worthy. The gimmick may be viewed as a joke but you cannot deny his popularity back then. If he had stayed as Fatu then he would've slowly faded away without barely getting noticed.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 4, 2017 20:33:06 GMT -5
I still ask myself "Why Rikishi?" every day. It's up there with the Starrcade 97's main event. Two baffling moments I'll never be able to wrap my head around. Honestly I hated the Rikishi gimmick. All it was is a fat guy in a thong that liked to dance. That's ALL he was. Turning him heel was one of the worst booking decisions ever made. Had they changed his look and especially his gear, maybe it could of worked. But leaving him the same just made him look like a fool. I agree with changing his look. A heel with his a$$ hanging out is very hard to take seriously. I've been watching episodes of Raw and Smackdown from late 2000/2001 and it was a weekly thing to show Rikishi's a** while he was doing squats. I'm not sure why they felt that was a good shot to make him look "intimidating." He should have started wearing pants similar to Haku when he returned around the RR that year. Atleast his butt wouldn't be a constant joke if he did.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jun 4, 2017 20:46:25 GMT -5
I will say that Rikishi looked super cool with the leather pants and jacket he wore during segments but I just wish he would've wore better ring gear.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jun 5, 2017 7:55:46 GMT -5
I get why they went with a major swerve like that with the ultra popular Rikishi, but it was a lack of foresight after that which killed it. They just banked on the amount of popularity he had would translate into an equal amount of hate for him.
I recently came up with a slightly less impactful scenario, involving Test being framed for it by Triple H. So going back to the Stephanie/Test storyline in 1999 - it was INSTANTLY dropped when Triple H drugged her and married her and then she sided with him. Test had absolutely no resolution to it and never even reacted to it on screen. Lame story telling.
So I wondered if they had booked Test better following it, and got under Triple H's skin, and then HHH wanted to get back at Test by framing him. Whether it be doctored footage or some evidence where the driver looked like Triple H or Test, but was so grainy they couldn't work it out. So Trips made sure it seemed like it was Test and then Austin went after him at No Mercy even when Test denied denied denied. Austin wasn't having none of it.
Then it was revealed Triple H was the mastermind behind the whole thing and framed Test since Survivor Series 1999 to take him out of the picture. But he didn't know the whole "Who ran over Austin" would be resolved the following year, instead wanting it to be instant. Because if WWF creative had better foresight, they could have built up Test strong throughout the year, and capitalise on his popularity because he was over big when feuding with Shane over Stephanie.
I dunno, just my idea.
Funny because the above talk about Big Show being in the main event of WM 2000 (which was in his contract when he signed in early 1999) - look at how he was booked throughout 1999. Heel-face-heel-face. Always a weak face or someone's henchman. He should have been booked as a monster heel like Braun Strowman has been. Then he would have been a big enough opponent for Austin or whoever at WM.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Jul 12, 2017 17:36:58 GMT -5
Didn't they say the suspect had blonde hair about a month our from the reveal? If Gunn couldn't make it, they were somewhat limited to who they could choose (no Benoit, eddie, etc) Maybe it would've been Shawn had he been ok to compete or off the drugs?
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