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Post by Mongo Bears on Jun 15, 2017 22:55:29 GMT -5
I feel like Bill wouldn't let us do 11 pages of speculation over the past two weeks without letting us know there wasn't gonna be a Sdcc exclusive Whaddya mean? Bill loves to watch us squirm! And my top secret WWF insider Vic Venom told me the SDCC exclusive is gonna be Zeus. But you don't care about that, right? I'm starting to find my obsession with this hobby less fun because of all the secrecy. I actually really do not like the withholding of anything for the effect of a surprise (that's for children). I realize these are toys for children but I'm not a child and nor are the members of this forum. I feel that we are all being treated like kids here and somebody is acting as the parent/Santa. I don't care for these toy conventions as much as I care about each and every day that's wasted leading up to them which is just boring without some announcements or info. My gratification level will change if a Zeus figure was announced, but I very much doubt that will happen.
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Post by BCizzle on Jun 15, 2017 23:34:30 GMT -5
I'm starting to find my obsession with this hobby less fun because of all the secrecy. I actually really do not like the withholding of anything for the effect of a surprise (that's for children). I realize these are toys for children but I'm not a child and nor are the members of this forum. I feel that we are all being treated like kids here and somebody is acting as the parent/Santa. I don't care for these toy conventions as much as I care about each and every day that's wasted leading up to them which is just boring without some announcements or info. Just be patient. I know what you're saying, but they are just toys. The waiting is part of the fun! Or the waiting is the hardest part, like Tom Petty said. Soon enough SDCC will be upon us and our heads will be exploding from the excitement - well, I hope so.
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Post by sisterabigail on Jun 16, 2017 5:51:45 GMT -5
It ain't happening
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 16, 2017 8:10:38 GMT -5
Whaddya mean? Bill loves to watch us squirm! And my top secret WWF insider Vic Venom told me the SDCC exclusive is gonna be Zeus. But you don't care about that, right? I'm starting to find my obsession with this hobby less fun because of all the secrecy. I actually really do not like the withholding of anything for the effect of a surprise (that's for children). I realize these are toys for children but I'm not a child and nor are the members of this forum. I feel that we are all being treated like kids here and somebody is acting as the parent/Santa. I don't care for these toy conventions as much as I care about each and every day that's wasted leading up to them which is just boring without some announcements or info. My gratification level will change if a Zeus figure was announced, but I very much doubt that will happen. The secrecy isn't just limited to WWE Mattel or toys in general. Practically everything that is mass marketed has a planned roll out with information being withheld until the right moment. There are images and specs that apple has of the iPhone 7s that they're not sharing with the public until they're ready to show us. Marvel likely knows the title of Avengers 4 but we're not gonna know until they tell us or it gets leaked. They have their reasons why they do what they do. Some of it may be legal. A lot of it is probably strategy based on market research. But I am pretty sure its not because they're wanting to treat us like children.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 8:24:19 GMT -5
Mattel is annoying with the secrecy. Like not being able to see pics of figs that are for preorder.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 10:40:36 GMT -5
Mattel is annoying with the secrecy. Like not being able to see pics of figs that are for preorder.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jun 16, 2017 11:09:51 GMT -5
Mattel is annoying with the secrecy. Like not being able to see pics of figs that are for preorder. I usually always pick up flashbacks when they come out but I do hate seeing things go up for pre order and no Proto pics. Just something to look forward to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 11:12:24 GMT -5
Mattel is annoying with the secrecy. Like not being able to see pics of figs that are for preorder. I usually always pick up flashbacks when they come out but I do hate seeing things go up for pre order and no Proto pics. Just something to look forward to. It's like... I may want the figure but I don't for sure until I see it. Then by the time the pics are up, it may be on backorder. Maybe RSC raised the prices. It's a risky lose-lose situation more often than not
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Post by jabird27 on Jun 16, 2017 11:17:07 GMT -5
Mattel is annoying with the secrecy. Like not being able to see pics of figs that are for preorder. I don't think there's any secrecy behind it. The figures are often still in production when they go up for pre order so they may not have a finished product to show us. So what do you want them to do? They could release a pre finished model and it'll likely look terrible. Then everyone that's entitled will complain about how the figure is garabage Yata yatta. Or they could wait until the figures are produced and MOC pics are available before going up for pre order. But guess what, then people will complain about there not being any pre orders up. I love this site to death but good god I'm sick of the complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 11:21:32 GMT -5
Mattel is annoying with the secrecy. Like not being able to see pics of figs that are for preorder. I don't think there's any secrecy behind it. The figures are often still in production when they go up for pre order so they may not have a finished product to show us. So what do you want them to do? They could release a pre finished model and it'll likely look terrible. Then everyone that's entitled will complain about how the figure is garabage Yata yatta. Or they could wait until the figures are produced and MOC pics are available before going up for pre order. But guess what, then people will complain about there not being any pre orders up. I love this site to death but good god I'm sick of the complaining. Okay.... good for you. Read my post directly above yours for a tad more insight on my opinion. Not complaining, either. Unless I have 426 qc control and Mattel inaccuracy threads that I have forgotten about.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jun 16, 2017 11:21:50 GMT -5
i like the toy shows, but if there were none and they would just make more consistent announcements of upcoming figures and protos being shown then I would be much more satisfied. Even if they only announced one figure per day as opposed to an entire lineup then it would be more exciting to me every day.
The best part I like of the shows is the q&a with Bill.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 11:30:55 GMT -5
What kind of strategy is it withholding information from your customers about upcoming figures that will be released in the next few weeks and months?! Its not like they have to worry about competitors, unlike Apple whom you mentioned in your post, Mattel has the exclusive rights to make WWE figures- they are the only game in town currently. As someone else pointed out, they don't even release promo pics of figures when a new set goes up for pre-order- seriously?!?! People are blind buying an item and don't know what the heck it looks like until they receive it and open up the package.
I agree with The Human Wrecking Machine, all this secrecy is very annoying and a big turn off IMO. As a legends collector its even more frustrating waiting to see what new figures will be released as Mattel only releases a handful of figures of guys from the golden era every year. I don't understand why they can't even announce figures that have been finalized and are on the release schedule?! For example, if they had announced the Beefcake figure early on instead of waiting for the big reveal of Comic Con (which was only a computer rendering), it would not have taken anything away from that reveal IMO but would have actually built up some excitement as collectors waited to see an image or proto of the figure. I get the feeling here that Bill is being muzzled and not allowed to reveal any information which is why we are not being told anything. The question is who is responsible for the muzzling- Mattel or WWE?!
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jun 16, 2017 11:35:09 GMT -5
What kind of strategy is it withholding information from your customers about upcoming figures that will be released in the next few weeks and months?! Its not like they have to worry about competitors, unlike Apple whom you mentioned in your post, Mattel has the exclusive rights to make WWE figures- they are the only game in town currently. As someone else pointed out, they don't even release promo pics of figures when a new set goes up for pre-order- seriously?!?! People are blind buying an item and don't know what the heck it looks like until they receive it and open up the package. I agree with The Human Wrecking Machine, all this secrecy is very annoying and a big turn off IMO. As a legends collector its even more frustrating waiting to see what new figures will be released as Mattel only releases a handful of figures of guys from the golden era every year. I don't understand why they can't even announce figures that have been finalized and are on the release schedule?! For example, if they had announced the Beefcake figure early on instead of waiting for the big reveal of Comic Con (which was only a computer rendering), it would not have taken anything away from that reveal IMO but would have actually built up some excitement as collectors waited to see an image or proto of the figure. I get the feeling here that Bill is being muzzled and not allowed to reveal any information which is why we are not being told anything. The question is who is responsible for the muzzling- Mattel or WWE?! Great example with beefcake. Same for any and all others too. Every day I come on here looking for something and instead I get a little more turned off by the lack of Mattel presence. Every day I see it as a missed opportunity to generate excitement
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 16, 2017 11:57:57 GMT -5
What kind of strategy is it withholding information from your customers about upcoming figures that will be released in the next few weeks and months?! Its not like they have to worry about competitors, unlike Apple whom you mentioned in your post, Mattel has the exclusive rights to make WWE figures- they are the only game in town currently. As someone else pointed out, they don't even release promo pics of figures when a new set goes up for pre-order- seriously?!?! People are blind buying an item and don't know what the heck it looks like until they receive it and open up the package. I agree with The Human Wrecking Machine, all this secrecy is very annoying and a big turn off IMO. As a legends collector its even more frustrating waiting to see what new figures will be released as Mattel only releases a handful of figures of guys from the golden era every year. I don't understand why they can't even announce figures that have been finalized and are on the release schedule?! For example, if they had announced the Beefcake figure early on instead of waiting for the big reveal of Comic Con (which was only a computer rendering), it would not have taken anything away from that reveal IMO but would have actually built up some excitement as collectors waited to see an image or proto of the figure. I get the feeling here that Bill is being muzzled and not allowed to reveal any information which is why we are not being told anything. The question is who is responsible for the muzzling- Mattel or WWE?! Maybe they wanna make sure they give enough time for certain series to clear the shelves before announcing new ones. Maybe they don't want to hurt the chances of a certain figure's sales by announcing or showing an updated figure in a future lineup. Maybe they're still making adjustments to lineups and nothing is finalized so they can not officially announce anything. And SDCC is a big deal. They probably spend months planning on what is going to be shown, who are they going to invite to the panel, and getting every single detail down on how its going to go down. SDCC is a lot more important to Mattel than a few people on a message board not patient enough to wait a couple weeks to see new figures. They have to deliver for the people that paid money to and waited in line to see their upcoming lineup. If everything was already leaked online weeks prior then what is motivating someone to wait in line for that panel vs getting in another line where they can see something new.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jun 16, 2017 12:07:11 GMT -5
Jakks almost always had promotional pics when they announced figures and Ringside put up pre orders as far as I remember
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 12:14:03 GMT -5
What does this have to do with letting us know that a Brutus Beefcake figure will be released at some point?! There are no other Beefcake figures on the shelves, the one that was recently released was the first ever Mattel figure of him.
I never said anything about releasing details about a figure, only a simple announcement that a figure of wrestler X or wrestler Y will be released this year. People will still line up and attend because they will want to know information about the figure or get a look at a pic or early proto depending how far along in production the figure is. The announcement I am referring to would only give the name of the wrestler and I am specifically interested in 'first time in the line' guys, that have never had a figure before. What is wrong with announcing 'new acquisitions', if you will- if the deal with the wrestler is finalized and they have found a spot in the line for the figure, why withhold news of the release until the very last possible moment?!
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jun 16, 2017 12:18:50 GMT -5
What kind of strategy is it withholding information from your customers about upcoming figures that will be released in the next few weeks and months?! Its not like they have to worry about competitors, unlike Apple whom you mentioned in your post, Mattel has the exclusive rights to make WWE figures- they are the only game in town currently. As someone else pointed out, they don't even release promo pics of figures when a new set goes up for pre-order- seriously?!?! People are blind buying an item and don't know what the heck it looks like until they receive it and open up the package. I agree with The Human Wrecking Machine, all this secrecy is very annoying and a big turn off IMO. As a legends collector its even more frustrating waiting to see what new figures will be released as Mattel only releases a handful of figures of guys from the golden era every year. I don't understand why they can't even announce figures that have been finalized and are on the release schedule?! For example, if they had announced the Beefcake figure early on instead of waiting for the big reveal of Comic Con (which was only a computer rendering), it would not have taken anything away from that reveal IMO but would have actually built up some excitement as collectors waited to see an image or proto of the figure. I get the feeling here that Bill is being muzzled and not allowed to reveal any information which is why we are not being told anything. The question is who is responsible for the muzzling- Mattel or WWE?! Maybe they wanna make sure they give enough time for certain series to clear the shelves before announcing new ones. Maybe they don't want to hurt the chances of a certain figure's sales by announcing or showing an updated figure in a future lineup. Maybe they're still making adjustments to lineups and nothing is finalized so they can not officially announce anything. And SDCC is a big deal. They probably spend months planning on what is going to be shown, who are they going to invite to the panel, and getting every single detail down on how its going to go down. SDCC is a lot more important to Mattel than a few people on a message board not patient enough to wait a couple weeks to see new figures. They have to deliver for the people that paid money to and waited in line to see their upcoming lineup. If everything was already leaked online weeks prior then what is motivating someone to wait in line for that panel vs getting in another line where they can see something new. All true I bet,... but most people going to the shows aren't paying and waiting only to see wwe. Some excitement may be lost in the wwe line due to the competitions announcements. If this line would have a different approach to announcements then they could be a trending leader on a more consistent basis. I'm not claiming to know all about what sales strategy goes into these events. Also I realize these figures come out when they are due to come out regardless of when they are announced and I've been a collector for a few years so I know how to be patient. All I'm saying is I'd just like a little info more often rather than all at once. If they did it that way then I wouldn't care if there were no wwe at the toy shows, as long as Bill would still do a q&a once in a while.
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Post by tylergfromthe513 on Jun 16, 2017 12:25:11 GMT -5
At the end of the day even if Mattel did everything a hundred percent right, people would still find a reason to be mad. Me included(preorders without protos). I don't think there's any magical formula that they could come up with. I do think they have a certain system for promotion/production that they want to stick with like it or lump it.
If we always had constant announcements and constantly got new pics we would get burnt out very quick. When we do get announcements people craptheir pants and wanna buy 3 of each figure. Thats the hype they want $$$.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jun 16, 2017 12:40:00 GMT -5
If we always had constant announcements and constantly got new pics we would get burnt out very quick. When we do get announcements people crap their pants and wanna buy 3 of each figure. Thats the hype they want $$$. Maybe so. I'm glad you chimed in
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 16, 2017 13:04:30 GMT -5
What does this have to do with letting us know that a Brutus Beefcake figure will be released at some point?! There are no other Beefcake figures on the shelves, the one that was recently released was the first ever Mattel figure of him. I never said anything about releasing details about a figure, only a simple announcement that a figure of wrestler X or wrestler Y will be released this year. People will still line up and attend because they will want to know information about the figure or get a look at a pic or early proto depending how far along in production the figure is. The announcement I am referring to would only give the name of the wrestler and I am specifically interested in 'first time in the line' guys, that have never had a figure before. What is wrong with announcing 'new acquisitions', if you will- if the deal with the wrestler is finalized and they have found a spot in the line for the figure, why withhold news of the release until the very last possible moment?! Because its SDCC. Its going to create the most buzz if its announced there than anywhere else. Nintendo could have announced Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon for Switch anytime before E3, but they waited until the big event. Not because they were trying to screw over their fans by making them wait, but because they wanted to give their fans something big to get excited for at the biggest event of the year for gaming. Why do you have to know right now? Lets say they're going to announce Owen Hart at SDCC to be released in December. If he's coming out 6 months from now, what difference does it make if you hear about first today or a month from now?
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